Game 28: Heat @ Magic 12/26/2024 7:00PM ET

[fishfuego.]

I think the jimmy situation must be having an effect

I think the Jimmy effect is bugging the entire team, including the coach.

0-14 start is 100% due to the noise

In the NBA that translates to the coach

[MettaWorldPanda]

Jimmy comes back on Saturday. That should be fun

[DayofMourning]

Dyson Daniels is my hero.

[oreon]

That’s what Bam needs to tell his inner self. He is in a mental purgatory.
He is playing as bad as I’ve seen from him.
It is either fatigue, not physically healthy, or just simply mental.

I think the jimmy situation must be having an effect

I think the Jimmy effect is bugging the entire team, including the coach.

I disagree. They are just a bad regular season team. They've only finished above 5th once in the past 8 seasons in the East. Which is crazy considering how many times they gotten to ECF.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Jimmy should wear the culture blood red in his hair for team morale.

[wade44]

Magic finish 5/30 from 3 with 21 turnovers. Heat need a game-winning shot from Tyler to win by 1.

Whatever gets us closer to conveying that pick to keep us out of hell

[insfo]

All jokes aside, putting Bam at the corners seems like the wrong offensive play. Getting him the ball on the block seems like a bad idea too. He seems to be most comfortable being at the top of the key, handing the ball over to one of the guards and screening for them. Herro throwing him a lob seems like a high percentage play, but then that gets broken up pretty easily by opposing centers with some length, who aren't actively trying to switch away from him.

I'd love for him to start driving with purpose and dunking or getting fouled any chance he gets. What ideas do y'all have in getting him going? As someone pointed out giving him the ball and asking him to iso or get a bucket is not going to bear much fruit especially in the 4th quarter when the opposition ups their defense.

Would just asking him to be a facilitator be enough?

[fishfuego.]

Ref tried to screw the Heat with that last turnover call. Herro came through!

In all seriousness, the referees have been truly criminal against the Heat. Some of the most anti basketball calls from quarter to quarter, forget game to game, and the worst part is, the Heat are always on the fk up part of those unreal calls.
Take Jimmy’s non called foul against Detroit that should’ve ended the game right there. Or the crucial charging call to favor the Magic that could have sealed the game for the Heat, instead of a clear sideways charge, amongst other calls, including the Burks non called push that should have been a 2 point FTs to lead by 3. Etc. etc. etc.

[Enso]

Jimmy should wear the culture blood red in his hair for team morale.

Should straighten his hair and slick it back to show solidarity with riles

[fishfuego.]

I think the jimmy situation must be having an effect

I think the Jimmy effect is bugging the entire team, including the coach.

I disagree. They are just a bad regular season team. They've only finished above 5th once in the past 8 seasons in the East. Which is crazy considering how many times they gotten to ECF.

Oh yeah, no argument here. They have a group of journey G leaguers that screams horrific NBA talents.

[MettaWorldPanda]

All jokes aside, putting Bam at the corners seems like the wrong offensive play. Getting him the ball on the block seems like a bad idea too. He seems to be most comfortable being at the top of the key, handing the ball over to one of the guards and screening for them. Herro throwing him a lob seems like a high percentage play, but then that gets broken up pretty easily by opposing centers with some length, who aren't actively trying to switch away from him.

I'd love for him to start driving with purpose and dunking or getting fouled any chance he gets. What ideas do y'all have in getting him going? As someone pointed out giving him the ball and asking him to iso or get a bucket is not going to bear much fruit especially in the 4th quarter when the opposition ups their defense.

Would just asking him to be a facilitator be enough?

Get a real PG and a PF who can score 16-18 consistently

[insfo]

All jokes aside, putting Bam at the corners seems like the wrong offensive play. Getting him the ball on the block seems like a bad idea too. He seems to be most comfortable being at the top of the key, handing the ball over to one of the guards and screening for them. Herro throwing him a lob seems like a high percentage play, but then that gets broken up pretty easily by opposing centers with some length, who aren't actively trying to switch away from him.

I'd love for him to start driving with purpose and dunking or getting fouled any chance he gets. What ideas do y'all have in getting him going? As someone pointed out giving him the ball and asking him to iso or get a bucket is not going to bear much fruit especially in the 4th quarter when the opposition ups their defense.

Would just asking him to be a facilitator be enough?

Get a real PG and a PF who can score 16-18 consistently

While that definitely will help (esp the PG), I'm just thinking of the next few games or in the event that no trade is made. We cannot have our max guys being bystanders while lesser talent is required to make plays/shots.

Niko helping has to do more than just added size, as he adds some shooting and ball handling too. So assuming he's not hurt too bad, do we go back to starting him? Wish Duncan wasn't bricking everything, dude is looking like he's actively trying to tank any trade value he has.

Anyway, maybe a topic for another thread. Coming back from down 17 and winning away should hopefully settle down the guys before the next game. Getting Jimmy back should be interesting as well, but hopefully the "Jimmy hates Bam" narrative is all cooked up nonsense!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

FREE BAM

That’s what Bam needs to tell his inner self. He is in a mental purgatory.
He is playing as bad as I’ve seen from him.
It is either fatigue, not physically healthy, or just simply mental.

Bad game scoring wise in a stretch of good games, on to the next

[3ammy3uck3ts]

FREE BAM

That’s what Bam needs to tell his inner self. He is in a mental purgatory.
He is playing as bad as I’ve seen from him.
It is either fatigue, not physically healthy, or just simply mental.

Fan boy really say that? not surprised

Bam’s a p*ssy who hides behind & justified by his defence. Cld b a monster but doesnt have it in him.

#FreeBam

[marson]

All jokes aside, putting Bam at the corners seems like the wrong offensive play. Getting him the ball on the block seems like a bad idea too. He seems to be most comfortable being at the top of the key, handing the ball over to one of the guards and screening for them. Herro throwing him a lob seems like a high percentage play, but then that gets broken up pretty easily by opposing centers with some length, who aren't actively trying to switch away from him.

I'd love for him to start driving with purpose and dunking or getting fouled any chance he gets. What ideas do y'all have in getting him going? As someone pointed out giving him the ball and asking him to iso or get a bucket is not going to bear much fruit especially in the 4th quarter when the opposition ups their defense.

Would just asking him to be a facilitator be enough?

Max players are expected to deliver consistently every night. Across the league, a max player should step up and score when necessary, especially in this era where defense isn't as prominent. However, he often appears lethargic on offense. While he may occasionally have games where everything falls, more often than not, he seems lost within the offensive scheme.

He's also easy to game plan against—just assign a big defender and avoid falling for his pump fakes, and you've essentially neutralized him.

He is defensively a beast though, he should watch Draymond tapes tbh and learn how to be effective without scoring more.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

All jokes aside, putting Bam at the corners seems like the wrong offensive play. Getting him the ball on the block seems like a bad idea too. He seems to be most comfortable being at the top of the key, handing the ball over to one of the guards and screening for them. Herro throwing him a lob seems like a high percentage play, but then that gets broken up pretty easily by opposing centers with some length, who aren't actively trying to switch away from him.

I'd love for him to start driving with purpose and dunking or getting fouled any chance he gets. What ideas do y'all have in getting him going? As someone pointed out giving him the ball and asking him to iso or get a bucket is not going to bear much fruit especially in the 4th quarter when the opposition ups their defense.

Would just asking him to be a facilitator be enough?

He needs to be schemed in the flow of the offense to score more. It takes a concerted effort to get your big man the ball, this team does not make that effort and doesn’t have the personnel to really have a consistent 2 man game, this has consistently gotten worse year after year. Greg posted the numbers the other day but guys like Jokic, Embiid, Victor, AD, etc. are all assisted on a much larger portion of their baskets than Bam. That means we’re making Bam create more of his own offense than those guys which is just crazy. His usage has also continued to drop, I think this is an area where we actually miss Lowry as crazy as it may sound. He consistently tried to get him involved in the offense and ever since he’s been gone it hasn’t been the same.

Spo also does scheme him as a scorer, he wants him playing defense, rebounding, playmaking and setting screens first and foremost and the scoring follows, he’s just so happened to average around 20 for years now despite that. When guys are out he normally steps up when asked to score more, averaged 22-11-4 over the last 4 seasons without Jimmy. Without Herro AND Jimmy those numbers jump up to like 25-11-5 but I’ll have to run them when I get the chance, it’s not as simple as without 1 player and I’m on my phone. We have a lot of wins in those games as well, more wins than losses with him being the lead guy. I’m sorry but bad offensive players aren’t able to do that, I think he’s struggling to find a consistent rhythm this year next to the worst playmaking cast he’s ever played next to on top of all the hats he’s wearing.

People will quote and talk pure nonsense and troll but these are simply facts I’ve given.

[dolphinatik]

kinda glad I fell asleep and missed the game. What a tough shot drifting right leaning back to win the game. Should be a loss. Its amazing all of a sudden we cant score points now.

[marson]

"He needs to be schemed" Y'all just highlighted what insfo said. It's clear from earlier points that for Bam to be effective, he needs to be catered to.

Imagine a max player who'll be making $50 million a year after next season, lacking a diverse offensive skill set, relying on traditional point guards, and having inconsistent performances.

Just face it: he's closer to the Draymond Greens and Rudy Goberts of the world— which isn't a bad thing—but he's not on the level of AD, Jokic, or Embiid.

[SerialChiller]

kinda glad I fell asleep and missed the game. What a tough shot drifting right leaning back to win the game. Should be a loss. Its amazing all of a sudden we cant score points now.

Definitely a sorry a** win lol. But it's not all of a sudden we've been offensively challenged for a long time now. This year we're actually 19th in PPG at the moment which is good for us as of late. But last year we were 26th, and the year before that 30th, it's just what this team is, they can't score enough.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

"He needs to be schemed" Y'all just highlighted what insfo said. It's clear from earlier points that for Bam to be effective, he needs to be catered to.

Imagine a max player who'll be making $50 million a year after next season, lacking a diverse offensive skill set, relying on traditional point guards, and having inconsistent performances.

Just face it: he's closer to the Draymond Greens and Rudy Goberts of the world— which isn't a bad thing—but he's not on the level of AD, Jokic, or Embiid.

EVERYONE has to be schemed to score lol. That’s not catering it’s having a hierarchy and running plays for the guys you want to score.

It’s just harder for bigs who are mostly being set up by other players hence the assist percentage numbers referenced in the post. If he’s so bad why does he average 25-11-5 when Herro and Jimmy are both out?