Game 32: Pacers @ Heat 01/02/2025 7:30 PM ET

[marson]

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Getting this toxic bitch away from my team will rival any asset we get

Living off someone paycheck while being fat. What a life.

[AirP.]

I’m under the strong impression this has been brewing for a long time. Jimmy looked one foot out the door when we almost lost in the play in a few years back before going on the run to the finals. In retrospect, this would have been the perfect time to deal him but obviously hindsight is 20/20 and you don’t deal players that backpack you to finals runs.

Props to Jimmy for admitting it’s a dead partnership though since the Heat seem willing to hang on until the very last strand

Yup not even really mad at Jimmy since i knew this was inevitable. FO wanted to have it’s cake and eat it too by having Jimmy break his back this year in some type of prove it deal with no guarantee of extension.

Yeah, at no time did I hear any of the Miami podcasts mention what Riley did could be counter-productive to the Heat, it's almost like they just ignored the possibility that maybe, just maybe Butler may not go as hard as he might go if he had a long term contract to keep himself healthy for free agency. All he has to do now is have a few big games to show what he can still do, like in the Detroit game.

It's just not a good situation, I think Riley expected to only trade Butler for a good haul or be able to resign him for a much lower number in FA. But if Butler took less to go somewhere else that would be a huge FU to Riley that would be spun by the local media as this is what we wanted, some cap relief, not assets.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Jimmy is straight out destroying any trade value he has. Forget first round draft picks, we are looking at second round draft picks and certified pre-used sticks of chewing gum at this rate. This will be an interesting season.

Technically they can just tell Jimmy to stay home and convey that to other teams rather than taking junk. They’ll love the 50 mil off the books next year. They’ll get something before the deadline. Something that work out for both teams but nothing crazy either.

[oreon]

I completely get it, but this is why I'm no longer just a fan of a team. Riley's words may have help run off LeBron, holding back money from Wade who was never the top salary of a Miami team ran him out of town and now publicly telling him to shut his mouth may have set the cart in motion for Butler to leave. For as much of a legendary career Riley has had, he's made some pretty big mistakes in the last 10 years and I think he's lost his fastball. 2019... Butler, Bam and Dragic were the core with a rookie Herro, 6 seasons later Bulter, Bam and now Herro is the core with not much real "good" talent brought in, it's pretty crazy to think about that much time going by and only roleplayers were brought in. I'm not a fan of Miami's FO and it would just keep upsetting me to keep following a team of a FO I have little to no faith in, it's why I quit being a lifelong Bulls fan.

I get it man. I don’t judge anybody that jumps ship with the players. For me, personally, I was introduced to basketball at 7 years old, not long after Zo arrived . Started watching it with my uncle, who was like my father, and my cousin. Fell in love with it and 3 decades later I still love it. I have kids, a wife, and work now so I don’t get to watch too often anymore. That’s why it would be easier for me to just disconnect than to jump to another team. I couldn’t imagine myself ever following another team. I am also a dormant Marlins fan. I love that team, but they piss me off so much.

I don't usually follow players, Butler just happened to be leaving about the time I had enough. As of now, I wouldn't feel good becoming a fan of my local team in OKC when they're a top team even though I go to a few games each year. Maybe it's time for me to finally go deep into stats and write some new applications to better interpret stats in a different way than what's happening now (at least to the public).

Its not that serious. Sports supposed to be fun. And OKC is a young fun team that would be fun to root for the next decade. So jump on that bandwagon. You are allowed especially if you are a local. I would if I was living in OKC. If Chet can stay healthy, this team has a chance to be special.

[AirP.]

Spoiler:

Jimmy is straight out destroying any trade value he has. Forget first round draft picks, we are looking at second round draft picks and certified pre-used sticks of chewing gum at this rate. This will be an interesting season.

Technically they can just tell Jimmy to stay home and convey that to other teams rather than taking junk. They’ll love the 50 mil off the books next year. They’ll get something before the deadline. Something that work out for both teams but nothing crazy either.

With the new rules, can they send a healthy Butler home? I'm not so sure the new rules allow that; Miami may get hit with huge fines each game he misses.

[fishfuego.]

Jimmy is straight out destroying any trade value he has. Forget first round draft picks, we are looking at second round draft picks and certified pre-used sticks of chewing gum at this rate. This will be an interesting season.

Well a wise financial man once said, the best financial move for the future, is not hijacking your financial future.
Getting mediocre products ( in plural) in return at a premium cost, is a recipe for financial failure. So….

[Heat3]

I’m under the strong impression this has been brewing for a long time. Jimmy looked one foot out the door when we almost lost in the play in a few years back before going on the run to the finals. In retrospect, this would have been the perfect time to deal him but obviously hindsight is 20/20 and you don’t deal players that backpack you to finals runs.

Props to Jimmy for admitting it’s a dead partnership though since the Heat seem willing to hang on until the very last strand

Yup not even really mad at Jimmy since i knew this was inevitable. FO wanted to have it’s cake and eat it too by having Jimmy break his back this year in some type of prove it deal with no guarantee of extension.

Yeah, at no time did I hear any of the Miami podcasts mention what Riley did could be counter-productive to the Heat, it's almost like they just ignored the possibility that maybe, just maybe Butler may not go as hard as he might go if he had a long term contract to keep himself healthy for free agency. All he has to do now is have a few big games to show what he can still do, like in the Detroit game.

It's just not a good situation, I think Riley expected to only trade Butler for a good haul or be able to resign him for a much lower number in FA, which if Butler took less to go somewhere else would be a huge FU to Riley.

Jimmy never broke his back even when he had the last contract. That is what Riley did not like. Dude misses 25% of the regular season every season. The games he does play, he doesn't always give 100%. So what different does it make if he has a few big games to show he can still do it? We know he WON'T do it regularly. Not with the Heat and not with the next team. That's just who he is.

When he does pull out the super man cape in the playoffs, he cannot sustain it. This was true all the way back in the bubble as well. There really is no F U to Riley he can do since what Riley and all us fans want is consistent high level play. He isn't willing to try and even if he did, he just not capable of it anymore. Father Time is undefeated.

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[Umbooki]

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Wake up, Riles. Build’s done.

[SoFlaKingReal]

Lets not forget what that Riley summer press conference message really way: If you aren't playing, then shut the **** up.

Butler games played while on Heat per season: 58, 52 (COVID shortened season), 57, 64, 60


The playoff heroics were a sight to see....but Butler simply has never been reliable for a full season and has been coasting for over a year now.

[Heat3]

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Wake up, Riles. Build’s done.

This is great news. Sell for best return for the future of the team.

[Slot Machine]

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Wake up, Riles. Build’s done.

Running a play-in team back for the 3rd year in a row and then having your aging star demand a trade mid season is about as disastrous it could possibly get for our front office

[AirP.]

Lets not forget what that Riley summer press conference message really way: If you aren't playing, then shut the **** up.

Butler games played while on Heat per season: 58, 52 (COVID shortened season), 57, 64, 60


The playoff heroics were a sight to see....but Butler simply has never been reliable for a full season and has been coasting for over a year now.

He was also taking medical shots to his knees to be able to play in some of those playoff games, I think you may remember a couple years ago when Butler actually missed a game vs Boston and had a bad game before that... then went nuclear for the rest of the series... he probably did long-term damage to his body to give that type of effort to the team. So maybe he just wanted to keep feeling wanted vs shut your mouth.

[Enso]

I’m under the strong impression this has been brewing for a long time. Jimmy looked one foot out the door when we almost lost in the play in a few years back before going on the run to the finals. In retrospect, this would have been the perfect time to deal him but obviously hindsight is 20/20 and you don’t deal players that backpack you to finals runs.

Props to Jimmy for admitting it’s a dead partnership though since the Heat seem willing to hang on until the very last strand

Yup not even really mad at Jimmy since i knew this was inevitable. FO wanted to have it’s cake and eat it too by having Jimmy break his back this year in some type of prove it deal with no guarantee of extension.

In a sense they aren't wrong , last year ok he had some personal issues but the regular season was basically a copy paste of the year before. Just the year before he turned it on in the playoffs and didn't get injured. We should have never been in the 8th seed to begin with, both years.

It's the team trying to uphold some kind of standards, it's a culture of accountability. You can't have your Superstar pulling shenanigans and then you reward him with one of the biggest contracts in the league how does it look to the rest of the team.

Pat will always put the team before the player if he did it with Wade what makes you think he wouldn't do it with Jimmy. Difference with Wade is that should have never happened that's your franchise GOAT. With Jimmy he's in the right. Maxing Jimmy makes no sense, it'll handcuff the team and there's no guarantees he'll change his habits/effort at this point he is who he is.

[Flash4thewin]

I’m under the strong impression this has been brewing for a long time. Jimmy looked one foot out the door when we almost lost in the play in a few years back before going on the run to the finals. In retrospect, this would have been the perfect time to deal him but obviously hindsight is 20/20 and you don’t deal players that backpack you to finals runs.

Props to Jimmy for admitting it’s a dead partnership though since the Heat seem willing to hang on until the very last strand

Yup not even really mad at Jimmy since i knew this was inevitable. FO wanted to have it’s cake and eat it too by having Jimmy break his back this year in some type of prove it deal with no guarantee of extension.

In a sense they aren't wrong , last year ok he had some personal issues but the regular season was basically a copy paste of the year before. Just the year before he turned it on in the playoffs and didn't get injured. We should have never been in the 8th seed to begin with, both years.

It's the team trying to uphold some kind of standards, it's a culture of accountability. You can't have your Superstar pulling shenanigans and then you reward him with one of the biggest contracts in the league how does it look to the rest of the team.

Pat will always put the team before the player if he did it with Wade what makes you think he wouldn't do it with Jimmy. Difference with Wade is that should have never happened that's your franchise GOAT. With Jimmy he's in the right. Maxing Jimmy makes no sense, it'll handcuff the team and there's no guarantees he'll change his habits/effort at the point he is who he is.

But that means placing a priority on the regular season over the playoffs which is just wrong. Jimmy was always Kawhi light. He wasn't needed in the regular season, but he would show up in the playoffs where it matters. How many games have we lost with Spo and his stupid make it up as you go rotations, the regular season is just not important. As long as we make the play-in, that all that matters and in the playoffs Jimmy gives us a shot. Jimmy is not a regular season player, we knew that years ago.

[twix2500]

I’m under the strong impression this has been brewing for a long time. Jimmy looked one foot out the door when we almost lost in the play in a few years back before going on the run to the finals. In retrospect, this would have been the perfect time to deal him but obviously hindsight is 20/20 and you don’t deal players that backpack you to finals runs.

Props to Jimmy for admitting it’s a dead partnership though since the Heat seem willing to hang on until the very last strand

Yup not even really mad at Jimmy since i knew this was inevitable. FO wanted to have it’s cake and eat it too by having Jimmy break his back this year in some type of prove it deal with no guarantee of extension.

There is no guarantee on both sides. Butler is not in some bad financial position. Butler has the option to leave this summer or he can get paid 50 mill another year at 36 years old. There is no way the Heat have done him any wrong financially. This is about asking for a raise and an extra year. At age 36.

[wade44]

Have to keep in mind whatever return we get for Jimmy needs to keep us competitive enough THIS SEASON to convey the pick to OKC and avoid disaster.

This team minus Jimmy is simply not good enough to get to that point

[Enso]

Yup not even really mad at Jimmy since i knew this was inevitable. FO wanted to have it’s cake and eat it too by having Jimmy break his back this year in some type of prove it deal with no guarantee of extension.

In a sense they aren't wrong , last year ok he had some personal issues but the regular season was basically a copy paste of the year before. Just the year before he turned it on in the playoffs and didn't get injured. We should have never been in the 8th seed to begin with, both years.

It's the team trying to uphold some kind of standards, it's a culture of accountability. You can't have your Superstar pulling shenanigans and then you reward him with one of the biggest contracts in the league how does it look to the rest of the team.

Pat will always put the team before the player if he did it with Wade what makes you think he wouldn't do it with Jimmy. Difference with Wade is that should have never happened that's your franchise GOAT. With Jimmy he's in the right. Maxing Jimmy makes no sense, it'll handcuff the team and there's no guarantees he'll change his habits/effort at the point he is who he is.

But that means placing a priority on the regular season over the playoffs which is just wrong. Jimmy was always Kawhi light. He wasn't needed in the regular season, but he would show up in the playoffs where it matters. How many games have we lost with Spo and his stupid make it up as you go rotations, the regular season is just not important. As long as we make the play-in, that all that matters and in the playoffs Jimmy gives us a shot. Jimmy is not a regular season player, we knew that years ago.

I don't think he was ever in the same category as Kawhi before we got him. I could be wrong though I don't know his played games average before he got here.

I think we allowed him to get comfortable and gave him some leeway since he was the superstar.

Playoffs are more important but seeding is very important as well they go hand in hand. We would have lost to Boston last year 100% even with Jimmy.

And I agree its not all on Jimmy missing games, Spo was returded with his line ups too.

[Enso]

Have to keep in mind whatever return we get for Jimmy needs to keep us competitive enough THIS SEASON to convey the pick to OKC and avoid disaster.

This team minus Jimmy is simply not good enough to get to that point

Getting a decent player back would be optimal.

I'm on the fence about how we'll be without him.

Part of me says we'll play even better since there's a weight off everyone's shoulder and part of me says we might lose our aura without him.

[EMC5466]

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