VaDe255 wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:MettaWorldPanda wrote:I like Herro. Think he’s a nice piece. Don’t think he’s extension worthy this year. Play it out till next year. All this talk from him at the press conference about it being more expensive the following year well then oh well. One thing he’ll never be worthy of is a max contract. At best needs to be paid as a 3rd option. His defense was never supposed to be good. People forget he only has a 6’3 wingspan.
VaDe does bring up a good point though. Can you allocate 30% of your cap to an offense only player who gets hunted every play defensively in the playoffs (while not giving much of anything offensively) if you’re going to be using him as a 2nd/3rd option? I’d say no and considering he hasn’t shown the ability to be the main engine of a high level offense in the regular season or playoffs it might be best to sell high (we won’t, we never do). The only bad defenders making that kind of money left in the playoffs are Randle, Brunson, and Towns but at least Randle and Towns have size working for them and Brunson took like $100M less on his last contract or whatever it was to help build the team and is 2-3 tiers above Herro as a player.
Yes, I totally agree with you on that, just having Herro as your #2 or #3 option on offense, I simply don’t see how that works long term.
He'd be best suited off the bench at that point and he clearly would not accept that kind of role, especially with his salary.
For those bringing up Klay, Herro isn’t that at all. Klay, especially before his injury, was often guarding the opposing team’s best scorer and was a legitimately good perimeter defender. That’s exactly the kind of player you want around superstars, a true 3&D guy who doesn't need the ball to impact the game.
What I absolutely don’t agree with, though, is the idea that the gap between Brunson and Herro is 2–3 tiers. I’d say it’s one tier at most and it’s a gap that can realistically be bridged. At Herro’s age, Brunson wasn’t doing what Herro is doing now. His breakout didn’t come just because he got out from under Luka, it came from a real leap in skill that translated when he got more usage. That kind of growth isn’t exclusive to Brunson specifically.
Also the world isn’t black and white. There’s nuance. Labeling players as #1, #2, #3 or using rigid tier systems often ignores the reality of player development and the different trajectories guys can take. Few just start out as a #1 and a lot of them grow into that role given the right team dynamics and skill development.
If Herro had Klays defense this would be a whole different discussion for sure.
I can only gauge guys on what they’re producing now or we’ve actually seen them produce, not based on age because in the grand scheme of things that doesn’t really matter much it at all to what a player will become. From ages 20-24 Tyler was a far superior player to Jimmy, I would bet everything I own he will never reach the heights of Jimmy. That’s not a knock on Herro, that’s just simply what it is. Some peak early, some peak late, some don’t sustain great play for longer than a season. You just never know.
What we do know is that Brunson is insanely clutch, has a much better handle and is far more crafty in getting to his spots. He’s a shifty guy and his footwork is great. That’s stuff built in a lifetime of playing a certain style and he’s able to keep it up or even elevate it when the playoffs come. For Herro the main thing with him is how he’s able to perform in the playoffs going forward, personally it was the main thing I was looking for as he was playing well in the regular season. How will it translate when the game slows down and teams really lock in?
Herro may average 28-6-6 next season on 68TS%, hell I hope he does. That’ll help quite a bit with our regular season success I’d assume but if we get to the playoffs and get bounced in round 1 while he was only able to produce 15-5-3 on 50TS% while making the Ty Jerome’s of the world look like their due for a max contract did it really matter in the grand scheme of things? We’ve got to get a legit roster with a true 1st option and make a postseason run or 2 that Tyler heavily contributes before we give him that extension, that’s all that matters at this point
