The Retooling Thread: What do we do now

[DBurks2818]

There's no way Cleveland lets Gibson go. He's their future along with LeBron.

[Immure]

Man if we draft beasly we have to sign duhon with our MLE or part of it if possible. He never really got the chance in chicago where hinrich and gordon always came before him. But he's got good ball handling abilities, can shoot from outside, good court vision, and OK defense. With limited minutes I think he's been able to show promise. He's young and already has shown what he can do when hinrich is injured and he gets PT.

[daniel3]

Duhon should be our number one choice if we're going to acquire a PG through free agency. He is unrestricted, is a decent outside shooter, a good ball handler, has experience in a faster pace offense, plays good defense and would be a good mesh in a tandem at PG that also features Banks.

[miamiballer]

Duhon should be our number one choice if we're going to acquire a PG through free agency. He is unrestricted, is a decent outside shooter, a good ball handler, has experience in a faster pace offense, plays good defense and would be a good mesh in a tandem at PG that also features Banks.

do you think we could get both duhon and james jones if we split the MLE?

[Ballwise]

Don't think there's a big chance of landing both with the MLE. The MLE would be around 6 mill $, J. Jones has a player option for 3.15 mil $ and Duhon is coming from a 3.25 mil $ contract.
J.Jones has definately raised his stock and if he opts out he'll be looking to make more than his player option would give him, so somewhere around 4-5 mill $. Moreover, Portland wouldn't let him go without a fight (raise) unless they make a move for a "star" SF.
Duhon so far has been a proven, decent back-up PG, with floor leadership, a decent 3 in his arsenal and above average defence. I would be surprised if he wouldn't command the same kind of money Jones is seeking (4-5 mill).

So, unless they really like Miami and its climate and would be willing to forgo a couple of millions, , I don't think we can get both of them with the MLE.

[Wade2k6]

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do you think we could get both duhon and james jones if we split the MLE?

Unlikely.. I would think Duhon would get the MLE himself.

[CB4MiamiHeat]

so wo do we have this offseason? Draft pick, MLE, LLE?

thats it?

[M_nus]

so wo do we have this offseason? Draft pick, MLE, LLE?

thats it?

Yep. If Marion picks up his option.

[CB4MiamiHeat]

im ignorant when it comes to salary cap and stuff..what about Wright and guys on our team that we want to re-sign?

[Hoops23]

I believe Miami will resign the restricted free agent to be Dorell Wright, if not a sign & trade.

There's no way Cleveland lets Gibson go. He's their future along with LeBron

Even though they are way above the lux tax? If he was offered a starting salary of $4m by any team, then the Cavs are paying $8m for him. I doubt they match an offer for that big amount of money. If ever they match it, Mr. Arison should be ashamed for it. But I like the Heat to make a run for Duhon if they like to use the MLE for a PG.


Option 1: drafting a PG

I Miami draft Rose or Bayless, sign a big man for the MLE like Turiaf or Kwame. Use the LLE or small part of the MLE for Anthony Johnson, Dooling or Lue. Or resign J-Will for cheap amount.

Option 2: drafting a big man

If the Heat draft Beasley or Brook Lopez, sign a PG for the MLE, Duhon, JCN, or Calderon. Use the LLE for Allen or Brian Skinner.

[LEIF]

I Miami draft Rose or Bayless, sign a big man for the MLE like Turiaf or Kwame.

[IndoorOutdoor]

Riley loves his bigs-- were gonna get one this summer either by trading the pick or trading Marion... My ideal situation would be getting Brand/Okafor in a pick swap deal that includes Haslem or something to that extent.. That way we can grab a PG in the draft like Bayless

Bayless/Wade/Marion/Brand-Okafor/Center

or if we land the number 1 you have to move Haslem or Marion

PG/Wade/Marion/Beasley/Center
PG/Wade/Beasley/Haslem/Center

[LEIF]

I think Riley wont be coaching much longer so his infatuation with dominant centers might not be an issue. he will be more apt to pursue a post up player, not necessarily a Center.

I think MBeasley can be a pretty effective post up option, Marion-Beasley could be interchangeable at the SF-PF spots.

I would be ecstastic if we could draft Beasley, then turn around and trade Haslem/Banks to Toronto in a sign and trade deal for Jose Calderon. despite what Colangelo says do you think Toronto is willing to pay Ford and Calderon both starters money while at the same time exceeding the luxury tax to do so? maybe but most teams dont. they might exceed the tax, but would be more likely to go over for a position they are thin at, like a good dirty work player to put next to Bosh (like UD) we should capitlize on that.

F - Beasley
F - Marion
C - Blount
G- Wade
G - Calderon

F - vet minimum player
F - Wright
C - Diop (MLE)
G - Cook
G - Navarro (LLE)
C - Zo


that team would be successful immediately

[Wade2k6]

I doubt they would trade Calderon for Haslem/Banks. Also, Navarro will sign for more then the MLE. I sure wouldn't mind that lineup, but I don't think something like that is very realistic.

I sure would like the idea of getting Calderon though.

[LEIF]

I doubt they would trade Calderon for Haslem/Banks. Also, Navarro will sign for more then the MLE. I sure wouldn't mind that lineup, but I don't think something like that is very realistic.

I sure would like the idea of getting Calderon though.

you think Navarro is going to get more then the MLE, a contract that starts at almost $6 million per? I doubt that, he is a 11 ppg guy that hasnt proven much at all. if he is getting that much money I would pass BIG TIME.

[Wade2k6]

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you think Navarro is going to get more then the MLE, a contract that starts at almost $6 million per? I doubt that, he is a 11 ppg guy that hasnt proven much at all. if he is getting that much money I would pass BIG TIME.

Oops, my fault. I meant LLE. He isn't worth more then the MLE. I would think he would get around 4-5 a year.

[Ballwise]

I don't think Toronto would do a Banks/Haslem for Calderon trade. Moreover, I guess even a resigned Calderon wouldn't match moneywise with Banks/Haslem. We should take on a bad contract or give sweeteners. First of all, they don't really have bad contracts. Secondly, we can offer a future first but i've my doubts on whether we should or whether they would take it.

Anyway, realistically I see them proposing a Ford/Kapono for Banks/Haslem+filler. And, they might sweeten the pot . But would we do that one . Another thought could be a Haslem/Blount package for Ford/Kapono which I guess they would refuse. Or try to include Haslem/Blount and Banks but then again they really don't have too many bad contracts to make this work.

Would you guys to something like Banks/Haslem/Blount for Ford/Kapono/Nesterovic or Garbarosja or even Parker and a filler?

[GameTime_3]

How about this. Sign Gibson to the full MLE. I doubt they match full level. Draft Beasley. LLE Sign Chris Mihm,Resign Ricky Davis 3yr 9mil. Trade Matrix,Haslem,Cook For Elton Brand -Tim Thomas(i think LA may consider this deal)

C-Blount-Mihm
PF-Brand-Tim Thomas-Alexander johnson
SF-Beasley-Dorrel
SG-Wade-Ricky D-(2 round pick)
PG-Gibson-Banks

That team would be a contender in the east.Good shooters coming off the bench with Ricky,Banks,Tim thomas. Then 2010 we go after another big name with Blount,Tim Thomas coming off the books.

[MartyConlonJr]

I wasn't aware how few teams will be significantly under the cap. I found this out trying to create what I thought was the perfect scenario. I thought we could:

1) Trade Marion in the same way that Golden State traded J-Rich for a draft pick. I was hoping we could do it with the same team, the Bobcats, trading Marion for their pick (around 6-8) considering Marion > J-Rich, has a shorter contract and they traded the 8th last year.

That would give us around a $15 mill trade exception.

2) We sign Dorell to a deal around 2.5 mill

3) We draft Derrick Rose or Michael Beasley with our pick #1-2, using the Bobcats pick #6-8 on another position (if we get Beasley, look at the remaining PG around 6-8 like Bayless/Mayo, if we get Rose, go for one of the centers like Thabeet, Lopez or Jordan).

4) We sign Elton Brand for the max (our salary cap including picks and cap holds is (43,784,781) - $14.3 mill under the cap.

We are now at the salary cap with:

C - Blount / Thabeet
PF - Brand / Haslem
SF - ? / Wright
SG - Wade / Cook
PG - Rose / Banks

or

C - Blount / ?
PF - Brand / Haslem
SF - Beasley / Wright
SG - Wade / Cook
PG - Mayo / Banks

but the great thing is still having the TPE

5) We use our TPE of $15 million to fill out the roster (we could get 1 max guy, or 2 ~7 mill contributers). We could work a sign and trade for Artest or Brad Miller with Sacramento. Especially in Artest's case, perhaps 3 2nd rounders in the next draft or something.

C - Blount / Thabeet
PF - Brand / Haslem
SF - Artest / Wright
SG - Wade / Cook
PG - Rose / Banks

or

C - Miller / Blount
PF - Brand / Haslem
SF - Beasley / Wright
SG - Wade / Cook
PG - Mayo / Banks

I wasn't sure if the TPE part was legal (being under the cap to sign a FA, but then using the TPE to go over), but amazingly, the teams I thought had cap space and good draft picks to necessitate this deal are really not that far under.

Charlotte is shown as having 35 mill next year on hoopshype, but it doesn't include Matt Carroll and the likely max extension of Okafor, putting them around 53 mill, and the other team I thought of, Philly, will only have maybe 10 mill in cap if Igoudala gets about 12 mill in his extension. We could conceivably trade Willie Green, Reggie Evans and their pick for Marion and an exception around 7-10 mill, but Philly, I just realised, is actually in the playoffs!! WTF where did that come from? Anyhow, I thought it was a good idea, shattered by reality. I am doubting Memphis would trade their pick for Marion, as they have no need this early in their rebuild for a player that old, and will have too good of a pick. *sigh* thought that was a good one.

[unowen85]

I'm going to have to make it my prerogative to eviscerate this Thabeet/Jordan hype machine.