Official Offseason thread Vol 3: Bck2BACK

[Wiltside]

OKC can GAGF if they want a pick back. They are taking the piss at this point.

Give us both picks back and we'll talk. You've got an army of them. If you want out from a malcontent player and a big salary bill, let us know. You know the price.

[Rapaz]

Presti wanna get a pick back.

Presti gonna get this dick, black.

[DayofMourning]

OKC can GAGF if they want a pick back. They are taking the piss at this point.

Give us both picks back and we'll talk. You've got an army of them. If you want out from a malcontent player and a big salary bill, let us know. You know the price.

Dumb stuff. Take this exorbitant contract off our hands and you can have your pick back as long as you give us your back in return.

Huh...?

[Bourne85]

Our two picks back (realistically we are getting one back and a second at most), and we give up none of Herro, Justice, Bam.

And still, I’m not comfortable with him making 45mil in 2021 when all the best FA will be available.

But as many of you know, Riles is desperate, he ain’t gonna wait til 2021. If we can’t find a way to get Beal and Wall soon, I fear Riley will go for Paul for sure.

Cp3
Jimmy
Justice
Olynik
Bam

4th seed, with a miracle like the Raptors got, injuries to the best players of all teams remaining, we might have a shot at this.

[Wiltside]

Riley managed to get a star with no cap space this offseason.

We can still very much be part of the conversations in 2021, Paul or no. Albeit, yes, it is harder to make the math work when you have a cap clogger like CP3.

[Rapaz]

Swaping our 2021/2023 pick for a pick further down the line would free up possibilities for trading a pick sooner, but it doesn’t justify taking on Paul’s contract, especially not when there are no other known (or potential) suitors.

Both picks or nada.

[DayofMourning]

Presti wanna get a pick back.

Presti gonna get this dick, black.

Lmao!

Presti wanna pick back?

How bout some nut sack?

[Lilseb93]

If I'm not getting 2 picks for Paul I'm hanging up the phone. Just that simple.

[DayofMourning]

Read somewhere that CP and his agent Rose would consider dropping that PO for a multiyear contract. If so, do you do it? In theory, cant wink wink.

[Wiltside]

Read somewhere that CP and his agent Rose would consider dropping that PO for a multiyear contract. If so, do you do it? In theory, cant wink wink.

Pretty risky game of chicken.

If CP was serious about building a contender, he'd opt out for a cheaper, multiyear in 2021. But who knows. It ain't my bank account, easy for me to say.

[Heat3]

To me zero picks and no CP3 > 2 picks back and CP3

What could we do with those two picks that is better than just clearing our capspace for 2021? They probably won’t even be good picks either, 20+

Just say NO.

[CWebb2491]

To me zero picks and no CP3 > 2 picks back and CP3

What could we do with those two picks that is better than just clearing our capspace for 2021? They probably won’t even be good picks either, 20+

Just say NO.

Rumblings about Beal not wanting to stay in Washington. Have Wade or Jimmy see touch base. If there's interest then we can use those 2 picks alongside expirings and 1 I repeat 1 young player amongst Djjr,or KZ. They wouldn't have leverage if he wants the 305

[DayofMourning]

To me zero picks and no CP3 > 2 picks back and CP3

What could we do with those two picks that is better than just clearing our capspace for 2021? They probably won’t even be good picks either, 20+

Just say NO.

What has Riley ever really done with cap space though? The big 3. Yes. When else?

Now let that man make some trades and youre in business. Just like this year. Traded Rich for Butler. Thats who he is.

[Heat3]

To me zero picks and no CP3 > 2 picks back and CP3

What could we do with those two picks that is better than just clearing our capspace for 2021? They probably won’t even be good picks either, 20+

Just say NO.

What has Riley ever really done with cap space though? The big 3. Yes. When else?

Now let that man make some trades and youre in business. Just like this year. Traded Rich for Butler. Thats who he is.

They don’t have to be superstars. Guys like PJ Brown, Eddie Jones, Dan Majerle, Lamar Odom etc. These are guys that played big roles for Miami, some that got flipped for real stars. We still have to fill out the team with good players.

So lets get CP3, who are we going to trade to match salaries for the other pieces after him? We’ll be trading them FOR CP3 to begin with

Our trade piece then will BE CP3, the young guys and maybe these two picks. No one will take CP3 off our hands.

Houston had to give up assets to get rid of him. OKC is trying to dump him on us. If they could flip him and picks for Beal they’d do it themselves, not wait for us to do it.

Nah. CP3 is an albatross.

[Heat_team02]

Read on Twitter

Another camp body that could turn into a 2 way player should he impress.

His lanky body was signed for defense, rebounding and shot blocking anything more is a bonus.

[The Bunk]

To me zero picks and no CP3 > 2 picks back and CP3

What could we do with those two picks that is better than just clearing our capspace for 2021? They probably won’t even be good picks either, 20+

Just say NO.

Unlikely to land a disgruntled star player via trade without picks. Just look at the haul for PG13. We can bundle two first rounders with 1-2 of our younger players. That's the idea going forward.

[Flash4thewin]

Riley managed to get a star with no cap space this offseason.

We can still very much be part of the conversations in 2021, Paul or no. Albeit, yes, it is harder to make the math work when you have a cap clogger like CP3.

We had so many things go our way to get Butler it’s not even funny. Had the 76er wanted another max player in FA, Butler is not here. We won the lottery in odds of things going right, the idea that we can replicate that are questionable at best.

Not really seeing anyone else out there attainable Paul at least brings up the value of the players we have, which can then be traded away for player X. Paul would make scoring easier for Bam so he might have stats closer to 20/10 which means huge value. Paul could make Herro stand out with his 3pt shooting, thus increasing his value to get player X. Winslow who knows to be honest but Paul can help raise the value of the players we have under contract which is a win.

[DayofMourning]

They don’t have to be superstars. Guys like PJ Brown, Eddie Jones, Dan Majerle, Lamar Odom etc. These are guys that played big roles for Miami, some that got flipped for real stars. We still have to fill out the team with good players.

So lets get CP3, who are we going to trade to match salaries for the other pieces after him? We’ll be trading them FOR CP3 to begin with

Our trade piece then will BE CP3, the young guys and maybe these two picks. No one will take CP3 off our hands.

Houston had to give up assets to get rid of him. OKC is trying to dump him on us. If they could flip him and picks for Beal they’d do it themselves, not wait for us to do it.

Nah. CP3 is an albatross.

Well, that contract will be on its last year when 2021 comes around. A player option year at that. Who knows what team might be willing to take it on and offload serviceable pieces if compensated with some picks. It actually makes more sense. You can fit a couple good players into 45 million, or one player like Beal in a sign and trade.

[Kobewade11]

Too lazy to screenshot and upload so just a quick and paste job from eye in the sky

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Now OKC has Paul, who may start the season there. Pat is trying to take another shot at Beal, but may be tough with Herro restricted for a few months. Heat content with roster as is, but still trying.

Miami was all in on Beal. Washington was listening then suddenly took him off the table. Miami turned to OKC when Russ became available, Presti was asking for Herro + Bam (Not Winslow), Pat said No. CP3 became available, Presti called back and asked Pat would he like CP3.

Pat said maybe, what would it cost? But told Presti he would give the bare minimum (JJ, Waiters, Dragic) and no picks + young guys, but still wasn’t 100% interested in taking Paul. Presti said no, pat said good wasn’t that interested in the first place.

Will CP3 end up in Miami? Still possible, Heat and Timberwolves are the only teams really showing interest. As of now, no deal is “close” but talks are ongoing. Pat & Presti, 2 of the best waiting to see who blinks first.

[dean456]

If you are referring to my comment Gom I was more so referring to Giannis part of that comment being the pipe dream people seem to think on here. I agree I think it's more than likely that Beal will be available in 2021 or before that. As far as Giannis goes I'm just not confident Milwaukee are going to be able to keep him there. He might be a super loyal guy or prefer the supermax money and stay there but I just have never seen Milwaukee retain a big named player for the duration of their career, so I'm not confident that he will decide to stay especially with their team locked into a lesser version of their team last year beyond 2021.

Sorry. I wasn't referring specifically to yours, dean456. It was just my general (somewhat sleepy) reaction after reading several pages of comments.

I generally agree with you, though I feel Giannis is a lot tougher get. Bucks have a great chance to win everything now, and, frankly, they better pull it off. I can't see the Greek Freak being patient for very long.

The big issues i see is that we dont have that connect to Beal like we did with Butler and Wade. Beal also has that Butler mentality of being the man on his team and wanting to show the world what he can do with a team building around him. No idea what he wants long term but unless we have someone in communication with him, its like someone said Pat is playing the long game but if Beal is not playing? When it comes to a lack of assets this is where Paul helps because he will make our players look better for a prospective trade. Bam might be feasting on Lobs and what not, Herro might get shots where he is comfortable all making them more valuable in a trade. No idea what is the right move other than we have Butler with miles on his legs and are on the clock. We allegedly told him he would be getting help to get him to sign. Telling a FA to wait a year sure wont go well with future FA. I expect another trade maybe during the season.

I think Beal being a Florida Gator, plus respecting the hell out of DWade is that connection. I'm pretty sure he has said Wade is his favorite player in the past. Beal is getting his time as "the man" now and I don't think its proving to be lucrative for him. Players know they need talent to win in this league, Beal's not foolish enough to think a team built around him as the best player is winning anything.

Paul trade only helps us if we get picks back in return, just making our young guys look better isn't going to be enough for a Beal trade plus if a Beal trade doesn't happen even if we include picks then we will need them to get off Paul's contract in 2021.

I think our top priority should be,

- Paul trade if it nets us no less than 2 FRP's
- Then go after Beal in a trade and try to retain Bam
- Then pray for CP3 to opt out in 2021 and try add Giannis or another max FA to the team.

Otherwise I don't think its in our best interest to trade for Beal with no picks because it will likely mean losing Winslow, Bam and Herro. Beal and Butler by themselves isn't enough when we have nothing to fill the roster out.

We would be far better served going into 2021 with Butler, Bam, Winslow, Herro and two years of showing Beal we want him rather than Butler and Beal and not much else.