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Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place?

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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place? 

Post#301 » by JLop » Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:07 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:Offering Duncan, Yurtseven, and KZ.

I've mentioned in the past that Miami would be interested in Christian Wood. You are another member of this forum who has also been interested in Christian Wood, Panda. His contract fits perfectly into our salary cap. Although Christian could play alongside Adebayo, I have a feeling Bam could be involved in a trade for someone like Bradley Beal.

Christian Wood
P.J. Tucker
Jimmy Butler
Bradley Beal
Kyle Lowry

Bam is not going anywhere. We are trying to find a perfect front court partner for Bam that adds size and outside shooting. We have enough at the two guard spot with Strus, Herro, and Dipo.

Christian Wood is not a perfect frontcourt partner for Bam. Christian is a center like Bam and P.J. Tucker is a better shooter from the corner. This will slow down the team leaving Duncan as the only shooter among the starters.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place? 

Post#302 » by greg4012 » Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:09 pm

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JLop wrote:I've mentioned in the past that Miami would be interested in Christian Wood. You are another member of this forum who has also been interested in Christian Wood, Panda. His contract fits perfectly into our salary cap. Although Christian could play alongside Adebayo, I have a feeling Bam could be involved in a trade for someone like Bradley Beal.

Christian Wood
P.J. Tucker
Jimmy Butler
Bradley Beal
Kyle Lowry



God I hope not,

I think long term Bam is better for this team then Beal.

I have really liked Christian Wood for several years and was hoping we could grab him. I have softened on him due to his off the court conflicts. I don't think he is a " Heat Type" personality, but who knows. If we listen to what we hear, we were told Butler was straight up Cancer.

We fell in love with our players, but this is a much better team capable of winning the final.


I think you're alone on that opinion
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Post#303 » by dshearn » Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:13 pm

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God I hope not,

I think long term Bam is better for this team then Beal.

I have really liked Christian Wood for several years and was hoping we could grab him. I have softened on him due to his off the court conflicts. I don't think he is a " Heat Type" personality, but who knows. If we listen to what we hear, we were told Butler was straight up Cancer.

We fell in love with our players, but this is a much better team capable of winning the final.


I think you're alone on that opinion



Yeah, that is not exactly new. My ability to be wrong is quite consistent.
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Post#304 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:13 pm

Wood would be nice.

They’re also saying if Westbrook is traded to Houston for Wall they would instantly start buyout talks. Anyone interested in Westbrook off the bench lol?

Lowry/Westbrook
Strus/Dipo
Jimmy/Herro
PJ/Martin
Bam/Wood
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place? 

Post#305 » by MettaWorldPanda » Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:13 pm

JLop wrote:
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JLop wrote:I've mentioned in the past that Miami would be interested in Christian Wood. You are another member of this forum who has also been interested in Christian Wood, Panda. His contract fits perfectly into our salary cap. Although Christian could play alongside Adebayo, I have a feeling Bam could be involved in a trade for someone like Bradley Beal.

Christian Wood
P.J. Tucker
Jimmy Butler
Bradley Beal
Kyle Lowry

Bam is not going anywhere. We are trying to find a perfect front court partner for Bam that adds size and outside shooting. We have enough at the two guard spot with Strus, Herro, and Dipo.

Christian Wood is not a perfect frontcourt partner for Bam. Christian is a center like Bam and P.J. Tucker is a better shooter from the corner. This will slow down the team leaving Duncan as the only shooter among the starters.

Wood is 6’10 214 pounds. Markieff is 6’9 250 pounds and was playing alongside Bam before his injury. Wood is a much better shooter then Kieff and can certainly play the PF spot next to Bam.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place? 

Post#306 » by JLop » Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:18 pm

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JLop wrote:We fell in love with our players, but this is a much better team capable of winning the final.


I think you're alone on that opinion



Yeah, that is not exactly new. My ability to be wrong is quite consistent.

I too have been wrong many times. It's nice that we can agree and disagree in a civil way while having a basketball discussion.
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Post#307 » by RexBoyWonder » Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:22 pm

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Had a feeling we would be in on C Wood.


Vet the attitude issues and IF the FO feels comfortable then HELL YES.

96 minutes of frontcourt rotation consisting of Bam+PJ+Wood is beautiful. A bought in Wood could allow Spo to run his "small ball" style all game long without giving up size.

it has to be Duncan, no other logical option with salaries.

Duncan + Yurt as Sweetner + KZ?

Will Rockets do that? Cant they find a better offer for Wood?
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Post#308 » by JLop » Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:23 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:Bam is not going anywhere. We are trying to find a perfect front court partner for Bam that adds size and outside shooting. We have enough at the two guard spot with Strus, Herro, and Dipo.

Christian Wood is not a perfect frontcourt partner for Bam. Christian is a center like Bam and P.J. Tucker is a better shooter from the corner. This will slow down the team leaving Duncan as the only shooter among the starters.

Wood is 6’10 214 pounds. Markieff is 6’9 250 pounds and was playing alongside Bam before his injury. Wood is a much better shooter then Kieff and can certainly play the PF spot next to Bam.

The modern NBA is about speed and space. We lose speed and space if Christian plays alongside Bam. That lineup will leave us with no shooters.
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Post#309 » by SA37 » Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:27 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
JLop wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:Offering Duncan, Yurtseven, and KZ.

I've mentioned in the past that Miami would be interested in Christian Wood. You are another member of this forum who has also been interested in Christian Wood, Panda. His contract fits perfectly into our salary cap. Although Christian could play alongside Adebayo, I have a feeling Bam could be involved in a trade for someone like Bradley Beal.

Christian Wood
P.J. Tucker
Jimmy Butler
Bradley Beal
Kyle Lowry

Bam is not going anywhere. We are trying to find a perfect front court partner for Bam that adds size and outside shooting. We have enough at the two guard spot with Strus, Herro, and Dipo.



Agreed. Riley won't trade big for small.

Duncan, Yurtseven, and KZ is the ultimate poo-poo platter. The only way that would have any chance at all of getting accepted was if Robinson were shipped to a 3rd team.

Something like:

Miami gets Wood

Houston gets Bagley, T Davis, and KZ

Sacramento gets Robinson and Yurtseven
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Post#310 » by Bhut Jolokia » Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:27 pm

Wood would be a nice addition for the roster. I remember hearing some off court issues he was having with coach Silas though. He might have a problem coming off the bench. His contract is better than Duncan’s but it would be tough getting rid of Yurt. I guess the Rockets might be interested in Yurt and Sengun, Turkish front court if it could work well. The Heat may need to add a 1st as well. Even that might not be enough. I think Duncan would have more value for a playoff team that needs his 3s (like Miami, etc) so maybe 3rd team needed
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Post#311 » by MettaWorldPanda » Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:33 pm

Bhut Jolokia wrote:Wood would be a nice addition for the roster. I remember hearing some off court issues he was having with coach Silas though. He might have a problem coming off the bench. His contract is better than Duncan’s but it would be tough getting rid of Yurt. I guess the Rockets might be interested in Yurt and Sengun, Turkish front court if it could work well. The Heat May need to add a 1st as well. Even that might not be enough. I think Duncan would have more value for a playoff team that needs his 3s (like Miami, etc) so maybe 3rd team needed

Very possible the Heat have to include a protected 2025 first. If it’s top 15 protected no biggie.
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Post#312 » by MettaWorldPanda » Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:35 pm

JLop wrote:
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JLop wrote:Christian Wood is not a perfect frontcourt partner for Bam. Christian is a center like Bam and P.J. Tucker is a better shooter from the corner. This will slow down the team leaving Duncan as the only shooter among the starters.

Wood is 6’10 214 pounds. Markieff is 6’9 250 pounds and was playing alongside Bam before his injury. Wood is a much better shooter then Kieff and can certainly play the PF spot next to Bam.

The modern NBA is about speed and space. We lose speed and space if Christian plays alongside Bam. That lineup will leave us with no shooters.

I disagree. Wood is just as athletic if not more then Tucker and Morris and shoots just as good from deep.
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Post#313 » by MettaWorldPanda » Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:37 pm

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greg4012 wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:
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Had a feeling we would be in on C Wood.


Vet the attitude issues and IF the FO feels comfortable then HELL YES.

96 minutes of frontcourt rotation consisting of Bam+PJ+Wood is beautiful. A bought in Wood could allow Spo to run his "small ball" style all game long without giving up size.

it has to be Duncan, no other logical option with salaries.

Duncan + Yurt as Sweetner + KZ?

Will Rockets do that? Cant they find a better offer for Wood?

Feel it’s a very solid offer for them. Especially if they have visions of a Turkish twin towers lineup of Yurtseven and Sengun. Might have to throw in a protected first in 2025 with maybe a second coming back here. I’m ok with that.
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Post#314 » by dshearn » Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:40 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
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MettaWorldPanda wrote:Bam is not going anywhere. We are trying to find a perfect front court partner for Bam that adds size and outside shooting. We have enough at the two guard spot with Strus, Herro, and Dipo.

Christian Wood is not a perfect frontcourt partner for Bam. Christian is a center like Bam and P.J. Tucker is a better shooter from the corner. This will slow down the team leaving Duncan as the only shooter among the starters.

Wood is 6’10 214 pounds. Markieff is 6’9 250 pounds and was playing alongside Bam before his injury. Wood is a much better shooter then Kieff and can certainly play the PF spot next to Bam.


I saw a Ton of Rockets games last year, Wood is the real deal.

For a very short amount of time during the Harden and Wall era, he looked absolutely legit, maybe even max player legit.

It seemed any given night he could get you 20-30 points, 10 rebounds and 2-3 blocks.

On Miami I don't think he is going to get the green light to take 15-20 shots per game, but that run of nearly 40% from 3 was legit. He can space the floor; and he is a treat if you let him get established inside. The only real downside to him, he was not one to pass back out and set up the other shooters.

On Miami he is going to have to get use to passing from the inside back out when guys get open.
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Post#315 » by MettaWorldPanda » Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:42 pm

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JLop wrote:Christian Wood is not a perfect frontcourt partner for Bam. Christian is a center like Bam and P.J. Tucker is a better shooter from the corner. This will slow down the team leaving Duncan as the only shooter among the starters.

Wood is 6’10 214 pounds. Markieff is 6’9 250 pounds and was playing alongside Bam before his injury. Wood is a much better shooter then Kieff and can certainly play the PF spot next to Bam.


I saw a Ton of Rockets games last year, Wood is the real deal.

For a very short amount of time during the Harden and Wall era, he looked absolutely legit, maybe even max player legit.

It seemed any given night he could get you 20-30 points, 10 rebounds and 2-3 blocks.

On Miami I don't think he is going to get the green light to take 15-20 shots per game, but that run of nearly 40% from 3 was legit. He can space the floor; and he is a treat if you let him get established inside. The only real downside to him, he was not one to pass back out and set up the other shooters.

On Miami he is going to have to get use to passing from the inside back out when guys get open.

He’s definetely worth the risk for the proposed package we would be offering of Duncan, Yurt, KZ, and a top 15 protected 1st in 2024 or 25.
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Post#316 » by JLop » Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:43 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
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MettaWorldPanda wrote:Wood is 6’10 214 pounds. Markieff is 6’9 250 pounds and was playing alongside Bam before his injury. Wood is a much better shooter then Kieff and can certainly play the PF spot next to Bam.

The modern NBA is about speed and space. We lose speed and space if Christian plays alongside Bam. That lineup will leave us with no shooters.

I disagree. Wood is just as athletic if not more then Tucker and Morris and shoots just as good from deep.

I'll give you a different angle, a simpler angle. Christian Wood and Tyler Herro become free agents the same year. Do you expect Pat Riley to pay Bam Adebayo, Jimmy Butler, Kyle Lowry, Christian Wood and Tyler Herro while paying the rest of the team?
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Post#317 » by MettaWorldPanda » Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:47 pm

Running some numbers through the trade checker and the way things could work out is a deal that looks like this

Duncan
Yurt
KZ
2024 or 2025 Top 15 protected

to Rockets for

PF/C Christian Wood
SF David Nwaba
1.4 million trade exception(used for Yurtseven contract)
2nd round pick
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Post#318 » by MettaWorldPanda » Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:49 pm

JLop wrote:
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JLop wrote:The modern NBA is about speed and space. We lose speed and space if Christian plays alongside Bam. That lineup will leave us with no shooters.

I disagree. Wood is just as athletic if not more then Tucker and Morris and shoots just as good from deep.

I'll give you a different angle, a simpler angle. Christian Wood and Tyler Herro become free agents the same year. Do you expect Pat Riley to pay Bam Adebayo, Jimmy Butler, Kyle Lowry, Christian Wood and Tyler Herro while paying the rest of the team?

I can’t see why not. I assume Lowry’s 30 plus would be off the books in the following year. That’s up to Wood for him to earn his deal here. If it all works out he’ll be worth every penny.
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Post#319 » by DayofMourning » Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:51 pm

I'm on the Yurt wagon. Need more Yurt.
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Post#320 » by JLop » Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:54 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
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MettaWorldPanda wrote:I disagree. Wood is just as athletic if not more then Tucker and Morris and shoots just as good from deep.

I'll give you a different angle, a simpler angle. Christian Wood and Tyler Herro become free agents the same year. Do you expect Pat Riley to pay Bam Adebayo, Jimmy Butler, Kyle Lowry, Christian Wood and Tyler Herro while paying the rest of the team?

I can’t see why not. I assume Lowry’s 30 plus would be off the books in the following year. That’s up to Wood for him to earn his deal here. If it all works out he’ll be worth every penny.

How long are we going to be above the Luxury Tax Apron?

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