Game 4: Miami vs Knicks Oct 30th 730 PM EST

[AirP.]

You cannot have a scheme for midrange jumpers in 2024. What do you think would have been different if you had brought in Dame? Honest question

Hasn't this been said basically every year and yet the team got to the Finals twice and the ECF 3 times? You play to your team's strengths.

Jimmy played out of his mind and we got elite shooting from streaky players..shooting that evaporated in the last finals. That's not a regular season offense

Maybe the FO needs to bring in the right type of players then? This team has basically been the same for 3 seasons now because they've decided to change their philosophy to drafting players vs using picks to get more proven players although they moved a 1st and huge expiring contract for Rozier for some reason. I'd rather have seen Miami retain Vincent at a much lower price and kept that 1st for someone else.

[AirP.]

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[SerialChiller]

I'm at a point where I find it hard to always be blaming the players anymore. I'm tired of it because we all know after all these "run it back" years what they are. It's no longer surprising, this stuff is an exhausting and repetitive routine. Inconsistency and lackluster/entitled effort plus frequent disappearing acts and injuries are expected now with the team's stars and all up and down the roster. The front office and Spo all know them and what they are too. But they pay to keep them, build and play whack lineups around them that don't work or put them in position to succeed, and seem unable to properly motivate them at least consistently. Also they expect to have enough and that we'll be healthy when guys on the team continue to not play in all that many games and miss playoff runs. The small ball BS takes a toll. Heat culture is supposed to be about accountability and grit, etc but this team comes out of every halftime looking like they expect to sleepwalk to victory down the stretch.

That's a coaching/culture issue. Spo doesn't pull them, he stubbornly sticks with them, no accountability there. Also he fails to make necessary adjustments, just stubbornly rides it out to embarrassing L after L. He doesn't structure the offense to run through the main guys enough to help keep them engaged. He doesn't think we need a PG and lets anyone bring the ball up and we start our sets in a constant plodding unorganized mess. Defensively he lets them get demoralized by taller players constantly getting offensive rebounds over them and the perimeter is exposed to hitting wide open 3s with his crazy rotation heavy schemes. He "protects" the paint with small players playing at a mismatch and gives up wide open 3s left and right so what the hell are we taking away!?

[MettaWorldPanda]

Mickey currently looking at close to a 27 million dollar tax bill with being close to 14 million over the line lol. They need Houston to eat a good chunk of salary.

[Kobewade11]

Bam is the ultimate superstar glue guy who does superstar things in other aspects of the game that don't involve being a superstar scorer. You saw how great he looked with team USA. Build a real team around him. Tear this chit down and build a legit complimentary team around this guy with young hungry players. Get Butler the heck out of here already. This build is toast

Yes, with a roster full of superstars. There's a dozen of those guys in the league, it's not realistic to think we can build that. He's Al Horford, and there is nothing wrong with that. High character guy that can you be proud to represent our franchise, he is part of the help not the guy you get help for.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I'm at a point where I find it hard to always be blaming the players anymore. I'm tired of it because we all know after all these "run it back" years what they are. It's no longer surprising, this stuff is an exhausting and repetitive routine. Inconsistency and lackluster/entitled effort plus frequent disappearing acts and injuries are expected now with the team's stars and all up and down the roster. The front office and Spo all know them and what they are too. But they pay to keep them, build and play whack lineups around them that don't work or put them in position to succeed, and seem unable to properly motivate them at least consistently. Also they expect to have enough and that we'll be healthy when guys on the team continue to not play in all that many games and miss playoff runs. The small ball BS takes a toll. Heat culture is supposed to be about accountability and grit, etc but this team comes out of every halftime looking like they expect to sleepwalk to victory down the stretch.

That's a coaching/culture issue. Spo doesn't pull them, he stubbornly sticks with them, no accountability there. Also he fails to make necessary adjustments, just stubbornly rides it out to embarrassing L after L. He doesn't structure the offense to run through the main guys enough to help keep them engaged. He doesn't think we need a PG and lets anyone bring the ball up and we start our sets in a constant plodding unorganized mess. Defensively he lets them get demoralized by taller players constantly getting offensive rebounds over them and the perimeter is exposed to hitting wide open 3s with his crazy rotation heavy schemes. He "protects" the paint with small players playing at a mismatch and gives up wide open 3s left and right so what the hell are we taking away!?

Nailed it 100 percent. Word for word

[Bishop45]

I see the team progressing every game, look forward to seeing them in game 20 and over

[VaDe255]

I don't know why everyone is pushing that Bam has to get the ball on offence non sense.

He absolutely doesn't, a lot of plays for Bam are pocket passes for a mid range jumper, where it ends up an inefficient shot, don't know why you would design these plays. Obviously you want him to get dunks, but you can't design your offence around a player getting such easy shots, because the schemes to defend those are the easiest.

The issue was not Bam's offence today, it was his defence.

The offence has to run through Jimmy not through Bam, Bam only getting 7 FGA is perfectly fine to win games.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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THANK YOU SPO, NOW YOU ALL CAN SHUT TF UP!!!!

[insfo]

I don't know why everyone is pushing that Bam has to get the ball on offence non sense.

He absolutely doesn't, a lot of plays for Bam are pocket passes for a mid range jumper, where it ends up an inefficient shot, don't know why you would design these plays. Obviously you want him to get dunks, but you can't design your offence around a player getting such easy shots, because the schemes to defend those are the easiest.

The issue was not Bam's offence today, it was his defence.

The offence has to run through Jimmy not through Bam, Bam only getting 9 FGA is perfectly fine to win games.

Exactly!

Tyler had it going in the first half. Then we come out in the 3rd and go away completely from that trying to get Bam "comfortable". WTF is this nonsense? Do this between games and don't mess with what is working currently.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I don't know why everyone is pushing that Bam has to get the ball on offence non sense.

He absolutely doesn't, a lot of plays for Bam are pocket passes for a mid range jumper, where it ends up an inefficient shot, don't know why you would design these plays. Obviously you want him to get dunks, but you can't design your offence around a player getting such easy shots, because the schemes to defend those are the easiest.

The issue was not Bam's offence today, it was his defence.

The offence has to run through Jimmy not through Bam, Bam only getting 9 FGA is perfectly fine to win games.

Exactly!

Tyler had it going in the first half. Then we come out in the 3rd and go away completely from that trying to get Bam "comfortable". WTF is this nonsense? Do this between games and don't mess with what is working currently.

We did it only 4 plays in a row and he scored on 3 of them lol what’s the issue on that? And then he assisted Herro for a 3 off a DHO/Screen, come on now lol

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

He's not playing aggressively on purpose, he's able to do alley oops and putback dunks so there's not that regression physically holding him back, it's Butler holding himself back.

It’s the scheme holding him back.

You cannot have a scheme for midrange jumpers in 2024. What do you think would have been different if you had brought in Dame? Honest question

We would’ve had an elite 3 level scoring superstar, the exact thing missing from our finals runs when Jimmy and Bam were making massive plays on both sides of the ball. Great playmaking guard who pulls attention off our guys and can get them easy buckets. It would’ve been worlds better than this nonsense.

[Kobewade11]

I don't know why everyone is pushing that Bam has to get the ball on offence non sense.

He absolutely doesn't, a lot of plays for Bam are pocket passes for a mid range jumper, where it ends up an inefficient shot, don't know why you would design these plays. Obviously you want him to get dunks, but you can't design your offence around a player getting such easy shots, because the schemes to defend those are the easiest.

The issue was not Bam's offence today, it was his defence.

The offence has to run through Jimmy not through Bam, Bam only getting 7 FGA is perfectly fine to win games.

This Bam stuff takes me back to the Bosh days

“I’ve got to get back in my comfort zone, I haven’t been in my comfort zone,” Bosh said. “A lot of things are new for me. I just have to be more aggressive in demanding my [the ball] comfort zone, you know I’ll take the fault for that… I’m effective down in the low post area, so that is where I need to start getting the ball. I need to be assertive in demanding it.”

"I'm saying what I need to do as a player, a closed mouth doesn't get fed," Bosh said. "I'm uncomfortable now so you might as well do something else. If there's a disagreement or something, that's fine, we can talk about it. If they don't want that, that's OK, but I just feel that I have to be my normal self. I'm not there right now. I haven't been there many times this season."

[marson]

Chris Bosh in this era would be a beast. Best stretch 5.

[insfo]

At the end of the day, this team will go only as far as Jimmy is willing to take it. Tyler playing great will be useful in trade negotiations I'm guessing, but won't have much impact over the course of the whole season.

[Shewasfly]

I don't know why everyone is pushing that Bam has to get the ball on offence non sense.

He absolutely doesn't, a lot of plays for Bam are pocket passes for a mid range jumper, where it ends up an inefficient shot, don't know why you would design these plays. Obviously you want him to get dunks, but you can't design your offence around a player getting such easy shots, because the schemes to defend those are the easiest.

The issue was not Bam's offence today, it was his defence.

The offence has to run through Jimmy not through Bam, Bam only getting 7 FGA is perfectly fine to win games.

Agree with everything whole heartedly except for it being fine for Bam to only put up 7 FGA. Whether he's the #2 or the #3, he needs to get up at least 13-15 shots a game. The rest of the supporting cast is too undependable and generally just not talented enough for him to be that freaking passive.

[Hallstar]

Bam is the ultimate superstar glue guy who does superstar things in other aspects of the game that don't involve being a superstar scorer. You saw how great he looked with team USA. Build a real team around him. Tear this chit down and build a legit complimentary team around this guy with young hungry players. Get Butler the heck out of here already. This build is toast

Yes, with a roster full of superstars. There's a dozen of those guys in the league, it's not realistic to think we can build that. He's Al Horford, and there is nothing wrong with that. High character guy that can you be proud to represent our franchise, he is part of the help not the guy you get help for.

I made the Horford comp like 5 years ago when I realized my KG prediction might not work out

[Shewasfly]

I don't know why everyone is pushing that Bam has to get the ball on offence non sense.

He absolutely doesn't, a lot of plays for Bam are pocket passes for a mid range jumper, where it ends up an inefficient shot, don't know why you would design these plays. Obviously you want him to get dunks, but you can't design your offence around a player getting such easy shots, because the schemes to defend those are the easiest.

The issue was not Bam's offence today, it was his defence.

The offence has to run through Jimmy not through Bam, Bam only getting 7 FGA is perfectly fine to win games.

This Bam stuff takes me back to the Bosh days

“I’ve got to get back in my comfort zone, I haven’t been in my comfort zone,” Bosh said. “A lot of things are new for me. I just have to be more aggressive in demanding my [the ball] comfort zone, you know I’ll take the fault for that… I’m effective down in the low post area, so that is where I need to start getting the ball. I need to be assertive in demanding it.”

"I'm saying what I need to do as a player, a closed mouth doesn't get fed," Bosh said. "I'm uncomfortable now so you might as well do something else. If there's a disagreement or something, that's fine, we can talk about it. If they don't want that, that's OK, but I just feel that I have to be my normal self. I'm not there right now. I haven't been there many times this season."

I genuinely am starting to find it insane that Bam is compared to Bosh so much. I understood it before because we were all looking through the lens of potential with Bam. And I do think we'll see him get better but he is more or less exactly what he's showing. There is not going to be some huge leap for him offensively. And he will continued to be limited by his size defensively, as good as he might be on that end.

Bosh was light years better both at this point in his career and at the end of his career when he was past his prime. Hate that lack of respect for Bosh.

[Hallstar]

It’s the scheme holding him back.

You cannot have a scheme for midrange jumpers in 2024. What do you think would have been different if you had brought in Dame? Honest question

We would’ve had an elite 3 level scoring superstar, the exact thing missing from our finals runs when Jimmy and Bam were making massive plays on both sides of the ball. Great playmaking guard who pulls attention off our guys and can get them easy buckets. It would’ve been worlds better than this nonsense.

Yet he's struggling with a super elite version of Bam in Giannis. Dame has had elite spacing his entire career...until now