2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 3

[DayofMourning]

I traded Butler 2 years ago for a haul.

[oreon]

For the nostalgic factor I like the idea of Gary Payton Jr getting to play here. I think he would fit in like a “glove” next to Herro lol

Every expiring they have to trade are actually solid vet players that would fit in here. Plus you get a very solid role player on Wiggins on top of it. Gotta get Terry out of here though asap because you can’t have 3 non all stars making $20-$30M a piece on the roster

This is why the Warriors are the clear cut heavy favorite right now. They just have the right pieces to make something happen with the expiring’s and solid vet role players. Wiggins sliding into the SF spot making 26 million is good value for what he brings.

It isn't good value for a play in team with no flexiblity. At best that team is a 7th seed. At worst it just misses the lottery so no high draft pick and no playoffs. You can't lock yourself with that team. Once Butler is gone, next step is getting flexibility. That means moving off the Duncan, Rozier contract and definitely not adding another 25 mil contract for a role player

[batterybro42]

I really want to see sky high usage Herro and Bam post Jimmy to end this year. Get them as many reps as possible being “the guys”. It can only help their growth and development and get them more comfortable for big moments in a playoff setting. I’m talking 17-20 shots a night, 30%+ usage

If Jimmy is no longer in the rotation, even without/before any trade, it should open up opportunity for Bam and Jaime to both play in spots on the court they're more comfortable playing.

Miami made it work well enough, but the offensive fit with Bam and Jimmy was never optimal. The offense will have a lot less upside without Jimmy, of course. But, it could become more coherent without having to toggle between low usage Jimmy and star mode Jimmy.

Time to fully unleash Bam, let’s get to it

Yes we’ve been holding Bam back from shooting it’s time to let the career 24% 3PT shooter EAT FROM DEEP

Maybe we can increase the amount of fall away midrange jump shots he takes from under the free throw line

[greg4012]

No, I've just been watching Spoelstra putting an undersized center and PF on the court for most of a half-decade which I don't think he's wrong for doing. It's not like we've not heard fans talk about this for years now. I'm not so sure a Riley ran team would be doing that or going with 2 bad defensive guards on the court at the same time.

Spo values skillsets. I don't believe he inherently needs a PF to be undersized to fit his system. I believe he needs to have true 3 pt shooting and spacing from at least 3 players on the floor at all times. And he needs defenders that can switch in space (tho he has turned to more drop coverage--even with Bam--over the past season+). Without Jimmy as a staple in the rotation, the SF spot can potentially be manned by more willing volume 3pt shooting which can alter the composition of skills needed for the PF spot. With that said, Jaime doesn't really fit the mold to add 3pt shooting to the SF spot.

JJJ fits more with the front court lineup of Ware and Jovic and that’s ok. Highsmith can just play SF and camp out behind the three point line with Duncan along side the Ware/Bam pairing

Jaime being able to play a larger role with bench unit is prob best. Agreed.

[AirP.]

So you don't think Spo espouses toughness and defense first and foremost?

You in the private with Spo and Riley and have details to share that the "public" is not privy to?

No, I've just been watching Spoelstra putting an undersized center and PF on the court for most of a half-decade which I don't think he's wrong for doing. It's not like we've not heard fans talk about this for years now. I'm not so sure a Riley ran team would be doing that or going with 2 bad defensive guards on the court at the same time.

Spo values skillsets. I don't believe he inherently needs a PF to be undersized to fit his system. I believe he needs to have true 3 pt shooting and spacing from at least 3 players on the floor at all times. And he needs defenders that can switch in space (tho he has turned to more drop coverage--even with Bam--over the past season+). Without Jimmy as a staple in the rotation, the SF spot can potentially be manned by more willing volume 3pt shooting which can alter the composition of skills needed for the PF spot. With that said, Jaime doesn't really fit the mold to add 3pt shooting to the SF spot.

Nobody wants undersized players, the bigger the players with skill the better but Spoelstra's gone with undersized players to get the type of skill he wanted at those positions. My point is that Riley wouldn't have, he'd stay with size and toughness, one person believes in 3s are that important and the other probably doesn't value them as much as defense/rebounding. It's kinda hard to say everyone is on the same page when 2 of the 5 1st round draft picks have been used in the last 5 years were on centers, a position of strength for Miami while there were bigger holes to fill.

[oreon]

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#m

Butler needs to be moved soon. Or this will get uglier. He cant be around the roster till the deadline

[MettaWorldPanda]

Every expiring they have to trade are actually solid vet players that would fit in here. Plus you get a very solid role player on Wiggins on top of it. Gotta get Terry out of here though asap because you can’t have 3 non all stars making $20-$30M a piece on the roster

This is why the Warriors are the clear cut heavy favorite right now. They just have the right pieces to make something happen with the expiring’s and solid vet role players. Wiggins sliding into the SF spot making 26 million is good value for what he brings.

It isn't good value for a play in team with no flexiblity. At best that team is a 7th seed. At worst it just misses the lottery so no high draft pick and no playoffs. You can't lock yourself with that team. Once Butler is gone, next step is getting flexibility. That means moving off the Duncan, Rozier contract and definitely not adding another 25 mil contract for a role player

Maybe they can flip him to Utah for John Collins player option next year. They make the same amount

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If Jimmy is no longer in the rotation, even without/before any trade, it should open up opportunity for Bam and Jaime to both play in spots on the court they're more comfortable playing.

Miami made it work well enough, but the offensive fit with Bam and Jimmy was never optimal. The offense will have a lot less upside without Jimmy, of course. But, it could become more coherent without having to toggle between low usage Jimmy and star mode Jimmy.

Time to fully unleash Bam, let’s get to it

Yes we’ve been holding Bam back from shooting it’s time to let the career 24% 3PT shooter EAT FROM DEEP

Using career stats for a guy who just started being allowed to shoot 3s in games is pretty funny. You had a bad take, got called on it, and now your feelings are hurt. He will continue to develop, be the vocal leader of this team (like the staff and players voted for) and climbing up the ranks of all time greatest Heat players and a lot of the clowns on here will continue hating in the meantime. I choose to appreciate our great players in franchise history personally

[RexBoyWonder]

I traded Butler 2 years ago for a haul.

At the very latest, a trade should've been made this past summer once they decided not to extend and couldn't reach an agreement.

I'm really starting to question the thinking of the decision makers - they really seem to lack the ability to think ahead and be creative.

This train rack was clear to see miles ahead - yet we drove full speed right into it. baffling.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

This is why the Warriors are the clear cut heavy favorite right now. They just have the right pieces to make something happen with the expiring’s and solid vet role players. Wiggins sliding into the SF spot making 26 million is good value for what he brings.

It isn't good value for a play in team with no flexiblity. At best that team is a 7th seed. At worst it just misses the lottery so no high draft pick and no playoffs. You can't lock yourself with that team. Once Butler is gone, next step is getting flexibility. That means moving off the Duncan, Rozier contract and definitely not adding another 25 mil contract for a role player

Maybe they can flip him to Utah for John Collins player option next year. They make the same amount

Just get Fox and it all evens itself out. We have to go harder for Fox than anyone we went in the past to get this done. Wiggins is an amazing fit next to bam Herro and Fox.

[AirP.]

Every expiring they have to trade are actually solid vet players that would fit in here. Plus you get a very solid role player on Wiggins on top of it. Gotta get Terry out of here though asap because you can’t have 3 non all stars making $20-$30M a piece on the roster

This is why the Warriors are the clear cut heavy favorite right now. They just have the right pieces to make something happen with the expiring’s and solid vet role players. Wiggins sliding into the SF spot making 26 million is good value for what he brings.

It isn't good value for a play in team with no flexiblity. At best that team is a 7th seed. At worst it just misses the lottery so no high draft pick and no playoffs. You can't lock yourself with that team. Once Butler is gone, next step is getting flexibility. That means moving off the Duncan, Rozier contract and definitely not adding another 25 mil contract for a role player

With Rozier and Robinson's being on expiring contracts come July 1st, Miami, if they aren't going to go back to a non-tax team could send at least 45 million in expiring's plus whatever assets they can scrounge up to add someone at next year's deadline. That might be Miami's best shot at Fox, possibly send out 2-3 1st (depending on what Miami can get from Butler), expiring contracts and maybe a young player or 2.

[mh_3]

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I thought it was centel I can’t lie

Front office should have had the foresight to avoid this chit show

They better find a decent trade soon

Disappointing lack of vision.

This is the biggest problem. This team FO lacks a vision. Every tactic they used to build teams is now non-viable and they refuse to get with the times.

You’re not getting stars the way you got LeBron or Jimmy anymore. And now the lack of vision in this situation is going to result in an absolute dumpster fire of a return for Jimmy. You all can stop expecting Kuminga, Bane, or multiple 1st rounders at this point. We’re lucky if we get expirings!


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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Heat fans on Twitter advocating for Poole over Fox

[Bishop45]

Ware
Bam
Highsmith
Robinson
Herro

I'm ready to throw Jaquez in the fire and dare him to figure it out

[batterybro42]

Time to fully unleash Bam, let’s get to it

Yes we’ve been holding Bam back from shooting it’s time to let the career 24% 3PT shooter EAT FROM DEEP

Using career stats for a guy who just started being allowed to shoot 3s in games is pretty funny. You had a bad take, got called on it, and now your feelings are hurt. He will continue to develop, be the vocal leader of this team (like the staff and players voted for) and climbing up the ranks of all time greatest Heat players and a lot of the clowns on here will continue hating in the meantime. I choose to appreciate our great players in franchise history personally

We should just look at this year where he’s been allowed to shoot. He’s 27% from 3

[Slot Machine]

I traded Butler 2 years ago for a haul.

At the very latest, a trade should've been made this past summer once they decided not to extend and couldn't reach an agreement.

I'm really starting to question the thinking of the decision makers - they really seem to lack the ability to think ahead and be creative.

This train rack was clear to see miles ahead - yet we drove full speed right into it. baffling.

100% - I don’t believe that the Heat can succeed with the current decision makers in place. People need to go.

[MettaWorldPanda]

It isn't good value for a play in team with no flexiblity. At best that team is a 7th seed. At worst it just misses the lottery so no high draft pick and no playoffs. You can't lock yourself with that team. Once Butler is gone, next step is getting flexibility. That means moving off the Duncan, Rozier contract and definitely not adding another 25 mil contract for a role player

Maybe they can flip him to Utah for John Collins player option next year. They make the same amount

Just get Fox and it all evens itself out. We have to go harder for Fox than anyone we went in the past to get this done. Wiggins is an amazing fit next to bam Herro and Fox.

I’m a lot more optimistic about Fox in the summer with the Jimmy closure. Good spot in offseason to offer 3-4 picks with possibly JJJ and the expiring's needed to make a solid offer. And yes i would love the Kentucky trio of Bam, Herro, and Fox.

[Bishop45]

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[inhabitMiami]

Every expiring they have to trade are actually solid vet players that would fit in here. Plus you get a very solid role player on Wiggins on top of it. Gotta get Terry out of here though asap because you can’t have 3 non all stars making $20-$30M a piece on the roster

This is why the Warriors are the clear cut heavy favorite right now. They just have the right pieces to make something happen with the expiring’s and solid vet role players. Wiggins sliding into the SF spot making 26 million is good value for what he brings.

It isn't good value for a play in team with no flexiblity. At best that team is a 7th seed. At worst it just misses the lottery so no high draft pick and no playoffs. You can't lock yourself with that team. Once Butler is gone, next step is getting flexibility. That means moving off the Duncan, Rozier contract and definitely not adding another 25 mil contract for a role player

Miami cannot, under any circumstances, miss the playoffs this year. It would be a complete disaster. They have to make the playoffs this year. So yes, it is good value.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Ware has an extreme quiet confidence. Almost Tim Duncan like lol. Glad Herro has taken him under his wing.