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Re: Official Offseason thread Vol 3: Bck2BACK 

Post#321 » by DayofMourning » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:18 am

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Miami has a ton of room to work with in 2021.

Who is Miami going to chase that offseason? Beal, Gobert, Davis, Lillard?

Trading for CP3 has little impact IMO on the cap space we have then. If one of those guys is determined to leave, then what team losing its star player is going to turn down multiple first round picks in return, for a one year salary dump in Paul? It would certainly help if we got picks with Paul.
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Re: Official Offseason thread Vol 3: Bck2BACK 

Post#322 » by Beenie » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:32 am

A name that Mia ought to have an interest in for 2021 and isn't getting mentioned is Buddy Hield.

He's younger and would be less expensive than Beal with perhaps even a higher upside.
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Post#323 » by HeatIn5 » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:42 am

Beenie wrote:A name that Mia ought to have an interest in for 2021 and isn't getting mentioned is Buddy Hield.

He's younger and would be less expensive than Beal with perhaps even a higher upside.


He's roughly 6 months younger than Beal.
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Re: Official Offseason thread Vol 3: Bck2BACK 

Post#324 » by Beenie » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:47 am

JustiseForMiami wrote:
Beenie wrote:A name that Mia ought to have an interest in for 2021 and isn't getting mentioned is Buddy Hield.

He's younger and would be less expensive than Beal with perhaps even a higher upside.


He's roughly 6 months younger than Beal.



Yea, I saw. I assumed because Hield was drafted in 2016 and Beal in 2012 that there would at least be a few year age gap. lol
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Re: Official Offseason thread Vol 3: Bck2BACK 

Post#325 » by Bishop45 » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:52 am

DayofMourning wrote:Image

Miami has a ton of room to work with in 2021.

Who is Miami going to chase that offseason? Beal, Gobert, Davis, Lillard?

Trading for CP3 has little impact IMO on the cap space we have then. If one of those guys is determined to leave, then what team losing its star player is going to turn down multiple first round picks in return, for a one year salary dump in Paul? It would certainly help if we got picks with Paul.


Yea, capspace will be nice, as well as the amount of expiree's we'll have to work with soon, but picks would put us in a great spot

I don't think we'll get it now tho. Loss a pick with Hassan/Rich, with a sunny chance of losing more in a possible Dragic/Kelly/(gulp) Winslow trade

don't like it tbh But watching slightly amused
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Re: Official Offseason thread Vol 3: Bck2BACK 

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Re: Official Offseason thread Vol 3: Bck2BACK 

Post#327 » by Dr_Heat » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:38 am

Told you guys , Waiters was going to come stronger and leaner than ever. Triple double machine right there , ooof
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Re: Official Offseason thread Vol 3: Bck2BACK 

Post#329 » by DayofMourning » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:42 am

Bishop45 wrote:Yea, capspace will be nice, as well as the amount of expiree's we'll have to work with soon, but picks would put us in a great spot

I don't think we'll get it now tho. Loss a pick with Hassan/Rich, with a sunny chance of losing more in a possible Dragic/Kelly/(gulp) Winslow trade

don't like it tbh But watching slightly amused


We can add Bam's deal to that. Our 2020 pick as well. We will have enough to sign a good player. Projected cap space likely 109 million.

Was reading on the Thunder board. Seems like they're thinking our picks back is a solid deal now. Eye of the beholder.

Would be nice to have all our ammo back in a Paul trade, including the fun fact that we'd be trading Dragic for two 1st round picks, lmao!
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Re: Official Offseason thread Vol 3: Bck2BACK 

Post#330 » by twix2500 » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:45 am

DayofMourning wrote:Image

Miami has a ton of room to work with in 2021.

Who is Miami going to chase that offseason? Beal, Gobert, Davis, Lillard?

Trading for CP3 has little impact IMO on the cap space we have then. If one of those guys is determined to leave, then what team losing its star player is going to turn down multiple first round picks in return, for a one year salary dump in Paul? It would certainly help if we got picks with Paul.
It's obvious Miami is targeting Beal that is why they are making the most noise about acquiring him. To help influence him to come to Miami when ever he has the chance.

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Post#331 » by Wiltside » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:46 am

Dr_Heat wrote:Told you guys , Waiters was going to come stronger and leaner than ever. Triple double machine right there , ooof


Waiters fan since birth, Doc?

If Dion embraced that 6th man role, in this kind of shape, he’d be terrific and well worth his $12m.

Hopefully he can stay healthy and show some of that explosion again next year. He’s gonna be important, one of the best shot makers on the squad and should be one of our better three point shooters.
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Re: Official Offseason thread Vol 3: Bck2BACK 

Post#332 » by dean456 » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:52 am

This deal OKC are proposing makes absolutely no sense for us. Teams can only trade future picks from the next 7 seasons at any point in time which means we can only trade picks up until 2026. If we only get one of our picks back it doesn't help us at all. Right now we can't trade any picks because they are tied up in the 2023 pick protections extending all the way until 2026. But if OKC were to take any of those picks back in return for the 2023 we still wouldn't be able to trade any of those picks because we'd have,

2022(can't trade because of 2021 at OKC), 2023 (tradable), 2024(not tradable with 2023 moving), 2025 and 2026(both not tradable if OKC take either back in trade). If we only get the 2021 pick back we can only trade the 2020 or the 2021 because the 2023 will still have the protections until 2026.

Only way this trade helps us is with both our picks coming back to us. If its either one of the 2021 or 2023 we can still only trade a single pick in a deal for Beal because we can't trade 2 picks in consecutive years.

If we got both 2021 and 2023 back we could then potentially trade,

2020, 2022, 2024 and 2026 picks
or
2021, 2023 and 2025 picks

Basically if we make a deal for Paul for only one pick we are royally screwed with no picks and no cap space. So to me it's safe to say the deal is dead if OKC don't budge with a second pick. I could see a scenario where we'd be willing to trade a 2026 unprotected pick for both the 2021 and 2023 picks in return because then we could then still trade 2020/2022/2024 or 2021 and 2023 in a Beal trade.
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Re: Official Offseason thread Vol 3: Bck2BACK 

Post#333 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:52 am

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30-11 Dion coming byke
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Post#334 » by Wiltside » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:53 am

dean456 wrote:This deal OKC are proposing makes absolutely no sense for us. Teams can only trade future picks from the next 7 seasons at any point in time which means we can only trade picks up until 2026. If we only get one of our picks back it doesn't help us at all. Right now we can't trade any picks because they are tied up in the 2023 pick protections extending all the way until 2026. But if OKC were to take any of those picks back in return for the 2023 we still wouldn't be able to trade any of those picks because we'd have,

2022(can't trade because of 2021 at OKC), 2023 (tradable), 2024(not tradable with 2023 moving), 2025 and 2026(both not tradable if OKC take either back in trade). If we only get the 2021 pick back we can only trade the 2020 or the 2021 because the 2023 will still have the protections until 2026.

Only way this trade helps us is with both our picks coming back to us. If its either one of the 2021 or 2023 we can still only trade a single pick in a deal for Beal because we can't trade 2 picks in consecutive years.

If we got both 2021 and 2023 back we could then potentially trade,

2020, 2022, 2024 and 2026 picks
or
2021, 2023 and 2025 picks

Basically if we make a deal for Paul for only one pick we are royally screwed with no picks and no cap space. So to me it's safe to say the deal is dead if OKC don't budge with a second pick. I could see a scenario where we'd be willing to trade a 2026 unprotected pick for both the 2021 and 2023 picks in return because then we could then still trade 2020/2022/2024 or 2021 and 2023 in a Beal trade.


DoM just went full Tommen Lannister at the thought of us trading all picks :laugh:
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Re: Official Offseason thread Vol 3: Bck2BACK 

Post#335 » by Bishop45 » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:55 am

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Dr_Heat wrote:Told you guys , Waiters was going to come stronger and leaner than ever. Triple double machine right there , ooof


Waiters fan since birth, Doc?

If Dion embraced that 6th man role, in this kind of shape, he’d be terrific and well worth his $12m.

Hopefully he can stay healthy and show some of that explosion again next year. He’s gonna be important, one of the best shot makers on the squad and should be one of our better three point shooters.


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Re: Official Offseason thread Vol 3: Bck2BACK 

Post#336 » by DayofMourning » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:56 am

HEATlanta wrote:Tank-top screamin’ “Lotto I don’t fit you”


Could he have taken a blurrier photo? It's 2019....
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Re: Official Offseason thread Vol 3: Bck2BACK 

Post#337 » by Bishop45 » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:57 am

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
Mars wrote:

30-11 Dion coming byke


Healthy JJ, Waiters, Dragic



+ Yimmy, Winslow

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Re: Official Offseason thread Vol 3: Bck2BACK 

Post#338 » by Wiltside » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:59 am

Bishop45 wrote:
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Dr_Heat wrote:Told you guys , Waiters was going to come stronger and leaner than ever. Triple double machine right there , ooof


Waiters fan since birth, Doc?

If Dion embraced that 6th man role, in this kind of shape, he’d be terrific and well worth his $12m.

Hopefully he can stay healthy and show some of that explosion again next year. He’s gonna be important, one of the best shot makers on the squad and should be one of our better three point shooters.


Anything less than Yimmy/Waiters/Winslow ain't it


I'm good with Winslow/Waiters/Butler as our starting guard/wing rotation Bish. If Dragic is still on the roster, he can also fill that same 6th man role I wa stalking about above.

I just need to see Winnie reps man. I really feel he could really break out this year if given the rock. No Jrich, and he seems (should be) the clear choice to start at the 1 (nevermind the Riley rhetoric - he's blusterin').
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Post#339 » by Kobewade11 » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:04 am

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Post#340 » by Wiltside » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:05 am

Just saw someone comment '6th man of the year' on that Waiters post. He responded 'no sir'.

Well, I guess that's that lol.
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