Miami Heat 2023 Off-Season Thread 1.0 - Give them Cancun!!!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If only OKC were in need of a SG. Herro would be a good backcourt partner with Shai. But they have Dort and Giddy. Those guys can play SF but not sure you can have Dort, Giddy and Herro.

We could solve all our cap problems and pick problems if we traded Herro to OKC for cash and 2x FRPs.

OKC have 31mil in cap space and 17 FRPS over the next 7yrs.

We could then possibly get #12 and our own 2025FRP back and would then be able to trade
#12 and #18 in 2023, our 2024, 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028, 2029 and 2030.

So for Dame we could send a package of Lowry, Robinson and 5FRPs.

In doing so we would also have 2x FRPS in 2023 so we could potentially hold onto our #18 and trade 2023 (#12), 2024, 2026, 2028 and 2030.

Then if we waive and stretch Oladipo our salaries owed would be;

Lillard - 45.6mil
Butler - 45.1mil
Bam - 32.6mil
Martin - 6.3mil
Jovic - 2.3mil
Highsmith - 1.9mil
#18 - 2.7mil

Cap holds
Strus - 1.9mil
Vincent - 3.4mil
Yurt - 2.1mil

Total 150mil (12mil under the luxury tax)

We'd then have access to the MLE 11mil and BAE 4.3mil

Yea OKC would’ve been perfect. Jalen Williams is a stud too, going to be a monster on both ends. Thunder have been killing it in the draft

[contract]

Are you guys serious with the Kyrie stuff? Prime LeBron was the only person that could kinda keep him reeled in. I could see Jimmy getting real tired of his bull with a quickness.

He’s boy with Jimmy and Bam, they’d make it work. Or do we not trust the Heat Culture we’ve built and the overall impact it has? Kyrie knows what he’s getting himself in to if he comes here.

They said the same stuff about Jimmy

Heat culture isn't a scared straight program. All the Heat culture in the world couldn't control Dion Waiters and Hassan Whiteside, even with UD on the bench. Heat culture is about keeping knuckleheads out, and rooting them out if they sneak in.

Bring in the wrong guy on an immovable enough contract and you will poison the well.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Are you guys serious with the Kyrie stuff? Prime LeBron was the only person that could kinda keep him reeled in. I could see Jimmy getting real tired of his bull with a quickness.

He’s boy with Jimmy and Bam, they’d make it work. Or do we not trust the Heat Culture we’ve built and the overall impact it has? Kyrie knows what he’s getting himself in to if he comes here.

They said the same stuff about Jimmy

Heat culture isn't a scared straight program. All the Heat culture in the world couldn't control Dion Waiters and Hassan Whiteside, even with UD on the bench. Heat culture is about keeping knuckleheads out, and rooting them out if they sneak in.

Bring in the wrong guy on an immovable enough contract and you will poison the well.

Time will tell, FO already tried to get him so they must not be too worried.

In the meantime I’ll continue to pray for Dame until it happens or not, that’s the ultimate prize of the offseason

[greg4012]

He’s boy with Jimmy and Bam, they’d make it work. Or do we not trust the Heat Culture we’ve built and the overall impact it has? Kyrie knows what he’s getting himself in to if he comes here.

They said the same stuff about Jimmy

Heat culture isn't a scared straight program. All the Heat culture in the world couldn't control Dion Waiters and Hassan Whiteside, even with UD on the bench. Heat culture is about keeping knuckleheads out, and rooting them out if they sneak in.

Bring in the wrong guy on an immovable enough contract and you will poison the well.

Time will tell, FO already tried to get him so they must not be too worried.

In the meantime I’ll continue to pray for Dame until it happens or not, that’s the ultimate prize of the offseason

They tried to rent him

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Heat culture isn't a scared straight program. All the Heat culture in the world couldn't control Dion Waiters and Hassan Whiteside, even with UD on the bench. Heat culture is about keeping knuckleheads out, and rooting them out if they sneak in.

Bring in the wrong guy on an immovable enough contract and you will poison the well.

Time will tell, FO already tried to get him so they must not be too worried.

In the meantime I’ll continue to pray for Dame until it happens or not, that’s the ultimate prize of the offseason

They tried to rent him

Maybe, maybe not. We have no clue there.

If they got him and we win the championship do you think they let him walk?

[dean456]

If only OKC were in need of a SG. Herro would be a good backcourt partner with Shai. But they have Dort and Giddy. Those guys can play SF but not sure you can have Dort, Giddy and Herro.

We could solve all our cap problems and pick problems if we traded Herro to OKC for cash and 2x FRPs.

OKC have 31mil in cap space and 17 FRPS over the next 7yrs.

We could then possibly get #12 and our own 2025FRP back and would then be able to trade
#12 and #18 in 2023, our 2024, 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028, 2029 and 2030.

So for Dame we could send a package of Lowry, Robinson and 5FRPs.

In doing so we would also have 2x FRPS in 2023 so we could potentially hold onto our #18 and trade 2023 (#12), 2024, 2026, 2028 and 2030.

Then if we waive and stretch Oladipo our salaries owed would be;

Lillard - 45.6mil
Butler - 45.1mil
Bam - 32.6mil
Martin - 6.3mil
Jovic - 2.3mil
Highsmith - 1.9mil
#18 - 2.7mil

Cap holds
Strus - 1.9mil
Vincent - 3.4mil
Yurt - 2.1mil

Total 150mil (12mil under the luxury tax)

We'd then have access to the MLE 11mil and BAE 4.3mil

Yea OKC would’ve been perfect. Jalen Williams is a stud too, going to be a monster on both ends. Thunder have been killing it in the draft

Utah would be another team that could be interesting too.

Utah currently have #9, #16 and #28 in this years draft

We could trade Herro for cap space straight up or take back someone like Olynyk, less cap space and #16 and #28.

Would free up 15-27mil in cap room.

Then we could trade Lowry, Robinson, #16, #18, #28, 2028 and 2030 for Lillard

Or we could hold onto #28 and just send 4FRPs

[3ballbomber]

Continues to be fine there? He played all of 20 games in Dallas and the team stunk up the arena. And he was on his absolute best behavior because he wants a fat new contract. That's not new car smell, that's Febreze. Once he's got the guaranteed money, they will no longer have any control over him.

And no he wouldn't have helped our team because he has his own agenda. All the fancy dribbling and the scoring can't make up for him being a toxin. His teams under-perform because he's on them.

From most people who interact with him on and off ethe court he's a nice person although very quirky. What did he do so bad, he refused to get the COVID shot, he could have been integrated at that time in practices and in road games and Steven Nash refused to do that.

Wait... his teams underperformed? Didn't he win a championship? He didn't want to go to Boston, he was traded there, if you remember back when he requested to leave Cleveland, his 5-team list didn't have Boston on it, it did have Minnesota on it which just happened to have Butler on the roster and Minnesota being near the top of the West at that time.

Now, I may be a little nervous if he has leverage/power like he did in Brooklyn, but I believe those times are long gone unless he goes to a bad team which isn't going to happen.

The stuff w/ Kyrie has always been way overblown. It began w/wanting to be traded away from Lebron. People lost their minds as if you'd have to be an idiot not to play w/ Lebron. I loved the decision personally as Lebron has always been all about himself. Kyrie helped win a Championship in Cleveland w/ the clutch 3 that saved Lebrons ass, so it's not like he just left that city w/ nothing.

He doesn't share the same views & opinions as the majority. That doesn't necessarily make him a bad guy. Being different in a world filled w/ conformity is a brave act.

I said when Kyrie trade to Dallas was announced that it was never going to work. Luka's brand of basketball is much like Harden, it doesn't cater to anybody else apart from himself. Nobody will ever coexist w/ Luka. As stated Kyrie nvr wanted to go to Boston. BK was nvr an ideal destination for anybody serious about winning Championships. Steve Nash was nvr going to achieve much in his 1st few seasons as a head coach & it was revealed the players did not respect him....

....Environment is key. Kyrie wld sit w/ Pat, Spo, Micky etc. & layout what's needed from him to play here. I'm sure hes well aware of what's required frm players before signing. Look what we did for Jimmy, whom prior to coming to Miami had a negative reputations in the league. Kyrie wld clear up his reputation here too if he was to commit to Miami.

The fact that Miami were looking to acquire him tells you our opinion on him & we were willing to take him on.

[Wiltside]

Riley has said we're an "every other year drafting team". We drafted Jovic last year and he's done his apprenticeship this season.

I'd be very surprised if we kept #18. I think it'll be moved for sure.

[powerball1373]

Continues to be fine there? He played all of 20 games in Dallas and the team stunk up the arena. And he was on his absolute best behavior because he wants a fat new contract. That's not new car smell, that's Febreze. Once he's got the guaranteed money, they will no longer have any control over him.

And no he wouldn't have helped our team because he has his own agenda. All the fancy dribbling and the scoring can't make up for him being a toxin. His teams under-perform because he's on them.

From most people who interact with him on and off ethe court he's a nice person although very quirky. What did he do so bad, he refused to get the COVID shot, he could have been integrated at that time in practices and in road games and Steven Nash refused to do that.

Wait... his teams underperformed? Didn't he win a championship? He didn't want to go to Boston, he was traded there, if you remember back when he requested to leave Cleveland, his 5-team list didn't have Boston on it, it did have Minnesota on it which just happened to have Butler on the roster and Minnesota being near the top of the West at that time.

Now, I may be a little nervous if he has leverage/power like he did in Brooklyn, but I believe those times are long gone unless he goes to a bad team which isn't going to happen.

The stuff w/ Kyrie has always been way overblown. It began w/wanting to be traded away from Lebron. People lost their minds as if you'd have to be an idiot not to play w/ Lebron. I loved the decision personally as Lebron has always been all about himself. Kyrie helped win a Championship in Cleveland w/ the clutch 3 that saved Lebrons ass, so it's not like he just left that city w/ nothing.

He doesn't share the same views & opinions as the majority. That doesn't necessarily make him a bad guy. Being different in a world filled w/ conformity is a brave act.

I said when Kyrie trade to Dallas was announced that it was never going to work. Luka's brand of basketball is much like Harden, it doesn't cater to anybody else apart from himself. Nobody will ever coexist w/ Luka. As stated Kyrie nvr wanted to go to Boston. BK was nvr an ideal destination for anybody serious about winning Championships. Steve Nash was nvr going to achieve much in his 1st few seasons as a head coach & it was revealed the players did not respect him....

....Environment is key. Kyrie wld sit w/ Pat, Spo, Micky etc. & layout what's needed from him to play here. I'm sure hes well aware of what's required frm players before signing. Look what we did for Jimmy, whom prior to coming to Miami had a negative reputations in the league. Kyrie wld clear up his reputation here too if he was to commit to Miami.

The fact that Miami were looking to acquire him tells you our opinion on him & we were willing to take him on.

I won't touch the other Kyrie stuff bc it gets political, but it does not make someone 'brave' to say the earth is flat... it makes them fkn (Please Use More Appropriate Word) lmao.

[DayofMourning]

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Brandon Miller does look a lot like Paul George. Hornets making the right call here going with Miller at 2. He fills a massive need at the SF spot for them and gives them some nice building blocks with PJ at the 4 ,Miller at the 3 and Ball running the point. Very much looks like Scoot to Portland at 3 until they can make a trade.

And Mark Williams at the 5. He was productive for them this year. Per 36, hes averaging 17, 13 and 3 based off his 20 minutes per game. Theyre soooooooo young. Im giving them 4 years to be any resemblance of a quality team.

[Daffy]

Basically from what I've read all day, due to our cap situation we can't sign Kyrie. Is Kyrie off the list because of the cap situation or is it still possible to add him. I read we can only trade for players who are already under contract. Can't complete and S&Ts.

[gom]

An S&T would hard cap Miami taking away its flexibility for even minimal moves during the season.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q20

The restrictions are severe.

A team is below the Apron and uses its Bi-Annual exception, receives a player who is signed-and-traded, or uses its Mid-Level exception to sign a player to a contract larger than allowed by the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, the team becomes hard-capped at the Apron for the remainder of that season. This eliminates any potential loophole where a team could first use one of these exceptions and subsequently add salary to go above the Apron, since the reverse -- adding salary first and then using the exception -- would be illegal.

If a team is hard-capped, it cannot exceed the Apron under any circumstance. If the team subsequently needs to sign a player (for example, to replace injured players) it must first create room under the Apron by waiving player(s) with non-guaranteed salary, waiving player(s) with guaranteed salary and utilizing the stretch provision, trading downward in salary, etc2. A team that is hard-capped can utilize Summer Contracts (see question number 70) to sign players for training camp, but must waive them in time to clear waivers before the start of the regular season, if necessary to stay below the hard cap. A team subject to the hard cap can also sign players to Rest-of-Season contracts during the season, as long as the salary pro-ration keeps the team below the Apron.

I am not in favor of signing Kyrie Irving under any circumstances, though.

Also, it's outrageous to see proposals of Herro and half a dozen picks for Lillard. Do you think he is Kevin Durant? You guys are nuts.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

We need to target Patrick Williams off the Bulls before they decide what to do with him. I think we can develop him into his potential in our system, to be our long time starting PF.

But first, don't do anything until we secure Lillard to Miami.

[batterybro42]

Josh Richardson would be an interesting look for the MLE if we were to trade Herro

It’s around what he’s going to cost, he’s only 29 and still playing good basketball. We know he can defend, and he shots the 3 decently well. I wouldn’t mind seeing him come back to Miami

Justice Winslow will be available for the vet minimum and could be out of the league. Only 27 years old. He is another guy I wouldn’t mind seeing Miami take a chance on, and see if he can stay healthy

Lastly Rodney Mcgruder will be a vet minimum player been shooting over 40% from 3 for a minute.

I think if we can get a star you fill out the roster with a big and guys who can play in our system and have had success in it

[ShulaDon92]

If there’s one thing we’ve agreed on all year it’s that our guard play is abysmal. I’m so tired of getting cooked by guys like Murray and Brunson and not being able to go back at then with someone else on the other end and actually make them work and expose them defensively.

Herro could’ve helped in the denver series but bigger picture if I’m going to pay a guard who can’t defend a lot of money I need a consistent 25 points on high efficiency with 8 assists. That’s the floor for me. Gabe is fine for a backup

Bruh there's a total of 3 players in the league that averaged 25 with 8 assists - Trae, Luka, and Ja (plus Jokic if you count his 24.5). Might need to lower the standards a bit lol.

Don’t worry, Dame might only average 7.3 assists but I’ll let it slide since he averages 32 points

With jimmy on the team hed avg around 18-23 ppg tops

-SHULA

[dean456]

An S&T would hard cap Miami taking away its flexibility for even minimal moves during the season.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q20

The restrictions are severe.

A team is below the Apron and uses its Bi-Annual exception, receives a player who is signed-and-traded, or uses its Mid-Level exception to sign a player to a contract larger than allowed by the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, the team becomes hard-capped at the Apron for the remainder of that season. This eliminates any potential loophole where a team could first use one of these exceptions and subsequently add salary to go above the Apron, since the reverse -- adding salary first and then using the exception -- would be illegal.

If a team is hard-capped, it cannot exceed the Apron under any circumstance. If the team subsequently needs to sign a player (for example, to replace injured players) it must first create room under the Apron by waiving player(s) with non-guaranteed salary, waiving player(s) with guaranteed salary and utilizing the stretch provision, trading downward in salary, etc2. A team that is hard-capped can utilize Summer Contracts (see question number 70) to sign players for training camp, but must waive them in time to clear waivers before the start of the regular season, if necessary to stay below the hard cap. A team subject to the hard cap can also sign players to Rest-of-Season contracts during the season, as long as the salary pro-ration keeps the team below the Apron.

I am not in favor of signing Kyrie Irving under any circumstances, though.

Also, it's outrageous to see proposals of Herro and half a dozen picks for Lillard. Do you think he is Kevin Durant? You guys are nuts.

To be clear when I propose several picks I'm just stating the maximum we'd be able to offer. Whether it will take that many picks I'm not so sure. Just depends what Portland are prioritizing.

We should be trying to avoid the hard cap at all costs.

[Kobewade11]

Josh Richardson would be an interesting look for the MLE if we were to trade Herro

It’s around what he’s going to cost, he’s only 29 and still playing good basketball. We know he can defend, and he shots the 3 decently well. I wouldn’t mind seeing him come back to Miami

Justice Winslow will be available for the vet minimum and could be out of the league. Only 27 years old. He is another guy I wouldn’t mind seeing Miami take a chance on, and see if he can stay healthy

Lastly Rodney Mcgruder will be a vet minimum player been shooting over 40% from 3 for a minute.

I think if we can get a star you fill out the roster with a big and guys who can play in our system and have had success in it

I’m good on McGruder, I would take rook 1 and/or 2 back and I’m not apologetic about it at all.

[dean456]

I think ultimately the price for Dame going to be pretty high.

- He just came off arguably the best season of his career.
- He is signed for another 4yrs w/PO (KD was signed for 3.5 more years when PHX traded for him).
- Lillard also 2yrs younger than KD.

PHX traded Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson and 4FRPs, a 2028 FRP swap and two 2nd rounders for KD and TJ Warren.

KD career stats - 27.3ppg, 7.1rpg, 4.3apg, 1.1spg, 1.1bpg, 49FG%, 39%3PT
Lillard career stats - 25.2ppg, 6.7apg, 4.2rpg, 1spg, 0.3bpg, 44FG%, 37%3PT

Now there's obviously a difference defensively. Lillard is not KD but he is not far off. Miami going to have to give up quite a lot to get him.

If you had the choice right now between Bridges and Herro, most teams probably taking Bridges.

I think Miami going to have to at least give up Herro, 2023, 2028, 2030 FRPs and 2027 or 2029 FRP swap.

[gom]

I think ultimately the price for Dame going to be pretty high.

- He just came off arguably the best season of his career.
- He is signed for another 4yrs w/PO (KD was signed for 3.5 more years when PHX traded for him).
- Lillard also 2yrs younger than KD.

PHX traded Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson and 4FRPs, a 2028 FRP swap and two 2nd rounders for KD and TJ Warren.

KD career stats - 27.3ppg, 7.1rpg, 4.3apg, 1.1spg, 1.1bpg, 49FG%, 39%3PT
Lillard career stats - 25.2ppg, 6.7apg, 4.2rpg, 1spg, 0.3bpg, 44FG%, 37%3PT

Now there's obviously a difference defensively. Lillard is not KD but he is not far off. Miami going to have to give up quite a lot to get him.

If you had the choice right now between Bridges and Herro, most teams probably taking Bridges.

I think Miami going to have to at least give up Herro, 2023, 2028, 2030 FRPs and 2027 or 2029 FRP swap.

I'm sorry but this is completely wrong. Almost sig worthy.

How can you justify sending so many picks for this privilege?



Portland would be delighted to send Lillard out after signing that extension. That's twice as much as we're paying our current 37 yo point guard. Wouldn't you rather be smarter with our assets?

[Heat3]

An S&T would hard cap Miami taking away its flexibility for even minimal moves during the season.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q20

The restrictions are severe.

A team is below the Apron and uses its Bi-Annual exception, receives a player who is signed-and-traded, or uses its Mid-Level exception to sign a player to a contract larger than allowed by the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, the team becomes hard-capped at the Apron for the remainder of that season. This eliminates any potential loophole where a team could first use one of these exceptions and subsequently add salary to go above the Apron, since the reverse -- adding salary first and then using the exception -- would be illegal.

If a team is hard-capped, it cannot exceed the Apron under any circumstance. If the team subsequently needs to sign a player (for example, to replace injured players) it must first create room under the Apron by waiving player(s) with non-guaranteed salary, waiving player(s) with guaranteed salary and utilizing the stretch provision, trading downward in salary, etc2. A team that is hard-capped can utilize Summer Contracts (see question number 70) to sign players for training camp, but must waive them in time to clear waivers before the start of the regular season, if necessary to stay below the hard cap. A team subject to the hard cap can also sign players to Rest-of-Season contracts during the season, as long as the salary pro-ration keeps the team below the Apron.

I am not in favor of signing Kyrie Irving under any circumstances, though.

Also, it's outrageous to see proposals of Herro and half a dozen picks for Lillard. Do you think he is Kevin Durant? You guys are nuts.

I've been shaking my head at all those 3 first round picks and 3 pick swap + Herro + Duncan and whatever else. I'd rather keep Herro if that is the price tbh Heat aren't the timbewolves.