Game 4: Miami vs Knicks Oct 30th 730 PM EST

[Daffy]

Wait. People still don't believe Dame changes the whole dynamic of this team offensively? Crazy.

[Hallstar]

Wait. People still don't believe Dame changes the whole dynamic of this team offensively? Crazy.

Why doesn't he change the Bucks then, a team that was already better than us before him

[3ammy3uck3ts]

You cannot have a scheme for midrange jumpers in 2024. What do you think would have been different if you had brought in Dame? Honest question

We would’ve had an elite 3 level scoring superstar, the exact thing missing from our finals runs when Jimmy and Bam were making massive plays on both sides of the ball. Great playmaking guard who pulls attention off our guys and can get them easy buckets. It would’ve been worlds better than this nonsense.

Yet he's struggling with a super elite version of Bam in Giannis. Dame has had elite spacing his entire career...until now

He’s struggling? Hes averaging 28-6-6 on elite efficiency despite the 3 ball being a little off this season.

The Bucks simply aren’t that good and/or too injured at all times.

He would’ve been an amazing fit here

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Wait. People still don't believe Dame changes the whole dynamic of this team offensively? Crazy.

Why doesn't he change the Bucks then, a team that was already better than us before him

Spanked them in 5 before him.

[Kobewade11]

I genuinely am starting to find it insane that Bam is compared to Bosh so much. I understood it before because we were all looking through the lens of potential with Bam. And I do think we'll see him get better but he is more or less exactly what he's showing. There is not going to be some huge leap for him offensively. And he is limited by his size defensively, as good as he might be on that end.

Bosh was light years better both at this point in his career and at the end of his career when he was past his prime. Hate that lack of respect for Bosh.

Oh yea no argument with you there. I was looking at it from the perspective of both perhaps feeling like they weren't getting in the ball in their spots and Bosh' approach to that, but I agree completely Bosh was on another level offensively.

[Beenie]

Bam is the ultimate superstar glue guy who does superstar things in other aspects of the game that don't involve being a superstar scorer. You saw how great he looked with team USA. Build a real team around him. Tear this chit down and build a legit complimentary team around this guy with young hungry players. Get Butler the heck out of here already. This build is toast

The notion of building around a "glue guy" is paradoxical

[marson]

I genuinely am starting to find it insane that Bam is compared to Bosh so much. I understood it before because we were all looking through the lens of potential with Bam. And I do think we'll see him get better but he is more or less exactly what he's showing. There is not going to be some huge leap for him offensively. And he is limited by his size defensively, as good as he might be on that end.

Bosh was light years better both at this point in his career and at the end of his career when he was past his prime. Hate that lack of respect for Bosh.

Oh yea no argument with you there. I was looking at it from the perspective of both perhaps feeling like they weren't getting in the ball and their spots and Bosh' approach to that, but I agree completely Bosh was on another level offensively.

Bosh wasn’t a defensive pushover either. Just watch the series against the Spurs, where he defended a prime Tony Parker on screens. Some even argue he might be a better defender than Bam due to his height advantage, but both are definitely elite.

[AirP.]

Wow, he stayed around to answer questions.

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[dshearn]

I just don't see it.....

This loss imo has absolutely nothing to do with not feeding Bam enough. They lost this game on defense first...and stupid offense second.

This team has always looked it's best on offense when they are pushing mid to deep 30s on assists. .... sticking the ball in anyone's hands and watching them dribble off the clock to take a contested 2 is a horrible idea.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Bam and Horford are similar in that their both Swiss smarmy knife do it all players, Bams first season as a starter is better than Horfords peak season though.

The laughing off Bam in Bosh talks is funny, Bosh was a more polished offensive player yet he was less efficient and his seasons with the big 3 don’t stack up very well in comparison despite playing a very similar role with 2 elite players/playmakers. A luxury Bam doesn’t have. When the 3 ball comes along and if his handcuffs are taken off there really won’t be much of a debate for Bosh over Bam.

I wasn’t here then but I just know you all were TORCHING Bosh during the finals runs, I guarantee it

[caliban]

Bam usage is too high not too low. Nothing more than a defensive rim runner right now. Desition making when on the ball is idk. Ball is almost never on time or on target. Can't belive he's been an all star watching him play.

[Bmaster]

Bam and Horford are similar in that their both Swiss smarmy knife do it all players, Bams first season as a starter is better than Horfords peak season though.

The laughing off Bam in Bosh talks is funny, Bosh was a more polished offensive player yet he was less efficient and his seasons with the big 3 don’t stack up very well in comparison despite playing a very similar role with 2 elite players/playmakers. A luxury Bam doesn’t have. When the 3 ball comes along and if his handcuffs are taken off there really won’t be much of a debate for Bosh over Bam.

I wasn’t here then but I just know you all were TORCHING Bosh during the finals runs, I guarantee it

But hortford makes threes unlike bam

[Pokuokic]

The Bam looked good in the Olympics take is crazy I remember Kennath Faried was a border line MVP on a way more dominant team, elite athlete off ball guys always look good in team USA when they have elite PGs. The Heat just gave a 3 year max extension to Serge Ibaka without the shooting or shot blocking or Taj Gibson minus the post game. Comparing Bam to the likes of Horford/Bosh is a joke statistics don't take into account IQ/the way they read the game and plenty of other stuff he's not on that tier. He's a guy reliant on athletic ability and being spoon feed where as Big Al/Bosh were skilled/smart players with above average athletic ability.

The IQ of the backcourt is non existent Terry is so erratic and dumb he can't see any pass, Herro at least has balls to shoot and can do it But you are not a serious team if Terry is your starting PG at this stage. The team needs another trade if they keep trying to build around Bam Butler which they should not. Everyone wanted Charlotte Terry well heres Charlotte results

[RexBoyWonder]

Bam as a 3rd/4th offensive option is a great thing. That's where skill level dictates he should be on the packing order.

You get into trouble when you try or expect him to function as a 1st/second option. That's just not his game.

Same thing goes for Terry, and for Herro, Jimmy is the one that can be a consistent, reliable SECOND option, but we expect him to be the first option, which he is not suitable for at his age.

Once you move everyone down one step down the ladder of the offensive responsibilities, everything will fall into order.

[RexBoyWonder]

Bam as a 3rd/4th offensive option is a great thing. That's where skill level dictates he should be on the packing order.

You get into trouble when you try or expect him to function as a 1st/second option. That's just not his game.

Same thing goes for Terry, and for Herro, Jimmy is the one that can be a consistent, reliable SECOND option, but we expect him to be the first option, which he is not suitable for at his age.

Once you move everyone down one step down the ladder of the offensive responsibilities, everything will fall into order.

Just to make my point :

Tyus Jones - 5th
Herro - 3rd/4th
Jimmy - 2nd
Kevin Durant - 1st
Bam - 3rd/4th


This team would be an offensive Juggernaut. Because everyone is in their right suitable place.

So..can we get KD for Jamie + Jovic + Rozier + pick? Highly doubt it. And we'd be old as ****.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Bam and Horford are similar in that their both Swiss smarmy knife do it all players, Bams first season as a starter is better than Horfords peak season though.

The laughing off Bam in Bosh talks is funny, Bosh was a more polished offensive player yet he was less efficient and his seasons with the big 3 don’t stack up very well in comparison despite playing a very similar role with 2 elite players/playmakers. A luxury Bam doesn’t have. When the 3 ball comes along and if his handcuffs are taken off there really won’t be much of a debate for Bosh over Bam.

I wasn’t here then but I just know you all were TORCHING Bosh during the finals runs, I guarantee it

But hortford makes threes unlike bam

Right but not consistently until he was 29, like Bosh. I think it’s pretty safe to say it’s coming, likely this year. We saw he could the last 2 months of last season, over the summer in the Olympics, and in the preseason. Right now he hasn’t had any type of rhythm going because he hasn’t been involved. It’s coming.

[eddieheatfan]

I just don't see it.....

This loss imo has absolutely nothing to do with not feeding Bam enough. They lost this game on defense first...and stupid offense second.

This team has always looked it's best on offense when they are pushing mid to deep 30s on assists. .... sticking the ball in anyone's hands and watching them dribble off the clock to take a contested 2 is a horrible idea.

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[Daffy]

As of right now I need Bucks and Atl to keep losing and just pray that we can snag Dame or Trae away from one of them.