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Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET

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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#321 » by jbsays » Mon Dec 30, 2024 2:42 am

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jbsays wrote:Maybe I'm not understanding this correctly....

Heat have $164 million on books next year. Including Butler's $52.4 mil player option, Rozier's $26.6 mil team option, and Robinson's $19.8 mil player option.

If Butler opts out and they don't pick up Rozier's option then the only have $86 out of $140 mil of cap. That's $54 million in cap space?

They probably want Butler to leave for somewhere else. It's possible they could also offer Duncan more money over longer years for additional cap space?

Most of Rozier's salary is guaranteed, only like 1-2 million isn't. Half of Robinson's is also guaranteed.


So does that mean the guaranteed amount counts against the cap or just that the team has to pay it?
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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#322 » by AirP. » Mon Dec 30, 2024 2:42 am

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So if a dude is holdinf your collar and throws you down, would you think you started the fight?


I just explained it, it was a simple chest bump to say I'm on you, Herro took offense, bent down and PUSHED THROUGH THOMPSON, THEY BOTH LOCKED UP, HERRO KEPT PUSHING FORWARD UNTIL THOMPSON PULLED/PUSHED HERRO TO THE GROUND? How hard is it to understand. Most players don't do what Herro did when someone comes chest to chest to them, he could have just pushed him off him and laughed it off.

Also, not a bad thing moving forward for Herro to let people know he will fight back.


Thompson grabbed Herro by his jersey though. Herro never grabbed or put his hands on Thompson.

At the very least they hooked arms and Herro kept pushing forward, it looks like he grabbed Thompsons jersey right when the lockup happened. If Herro would have stood his ground vs pushing forward, they may have just both been given a T. I'm just saying he did enough to get thrown out, both did.

Still, not a bad thing for Herro, he loses some money but lets people know he'll fight back.
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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#323 » by AirP. » Mon Dec 30, 2024 2:43 am

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AirP. wrote:
jbsays wrote:Maybe I'm not understanding this correctly....

Heat have $164 million on books next year. Including Butler's $52.4 mil player option, Rozier's $26.6 mil team option, and Robinson's $19.8 mil player option.

If Butler opts out and they don't pick up Rozier's option then the only have $86 out of $140 mil of cap. That's $54 million in cap space?

They probably want Butler to leave for somewhere else. It's possible they could also offer Duncan more money over longer years for additional cap space?

Most of Rozier's salary is guaranteed, only like 1-2 million isn't. Half of Robinson's is also guaranteed.


So does that mean the guaranteed amount counts against the cap or just that the team has to pay it?

Team pays which counts against cap.
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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#324 » by Dmcdani6 » Mon Dec 30, 2024 2:43 am

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AirP. wrote:
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So if a dude is holdinf your collar and throws you down, would you think you started the fight?


I just explained it, it was a simple chest bump to say I'm on you, Herro took offense, bent down and PUSHED THROUGH THOMPSON, THEY BOTH LOCKED UP, HERRO KEPT PUSHING FORWARD UNTIL THOMPSON PULLED/PUSHED HERRO TO THE GROUND? How hard is it to understand. Most players don't do what Herro did when someone comes chest to chest to them, he could have just pushed him off him and laughed it off.

Also, not a bad thing moving forward for Herro to let people know he will fight back.


Thompson grabbed Herro by his jersey though. Herro never grabbed or put his hands on Thompson.


BINGO, to push and even be face to face is fine. But if you put your hands on someone you better be ready to fight.
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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#325 » by marson » Mon Dec 30, 2024 2:44 am

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Down 5 when he checked in, won by 4. Bam checked in with 9:16 left in the 4th, Houston scored 10 total points for the remainder of the game and 6 of them were 2 garbage time 3s no one was really defending.

Basketball is more than scoring but when he finally consistently snaps out of the funk it’s a wrap


Congrats on being good on what he is being paid for.


Sorry it ruined your fun :cry:

I won’t go into detail about the easy looks he was freeing up for everyone I don’t want to overload you


Ware and Herro saved your boy though in that 3rd for the comeback.

It just happens the game is close already when he came back in the 4th. Let's see if he gets out of his funk.
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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#326 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon Dec 30, 2024 2:44 am

Rewatching the scuffle, Amen could’ve seriously injured Herro there. Watch how he landed on his right arm, he should be suspended
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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#327 » by marson » Mon Dec 30, 2024 2:44 am

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Ware has unlocked Niko lol. We have a secret weapon bench front court. We do need another complimentary vet big so Jovic can continue his super sub role.


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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#328 » by 3ballbomber » Mon Dec 30, 2024 2:45 am

3ballbomber wrote:We adjust & take the gm.

expose houstons lack of class to boot
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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#329 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon Dec 30, 2024 2:46 am

marson wrote:
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Congrats on being good on what he is being paid for.


Sorry it ruined your fun :cry:

I won’t go into detail about the easy looks he was freeing up for everyone I don’t want to overload you


Ware and Herro saved your boy though in that 3rd for the comeback.

It just happens the game is close already when he came back in the 4th. Let's see if he gets out of his funk.


No saving was needed, he was huge ending basically everything on the offensive end for the rockets or we don’t win. That’s why it’s a team game, takes a collective effort. Don’t win without Herros scoring, Bams defense, Jovic bench play etc. it’s all intertwined but I know if it’s not scoring it won’t get recognition, is what it is. Scoring is easier for people to understand
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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#330 » by Beenie » Mon Dec 30, 2024 2:47 am

Missed the 4th

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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#331 » by jbsays » Mon Dec 30, 2024 2:48 am

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jbsays wrote:
AirP. wrote:Most of Rozier's salary is guaranteed, only like 1-2 million isn't. Half of Robinson's is also guaranteed.


So does that mean the guaranteed amount counts against the cap or just that the team has to pay it?

Team pays which counts against cap.


So going in to 26/27 season they will have a ton of cap space? Only Bam and Herro big paid guys with Jacquez, Ware, Jovic, and Larsson still on their rookie deals.

$85 mil on books
$170 cap for 26/27 season
Leaves $85 mil in cap space
Rounded some of the numbers, so maybe off by less than $1 million on some of them.

If this is correct I think this is season they're planning for moving forward. That's a lot of cap space to add to Herro and Bam with three of those rookie guys already looking like legit NBA level rotation players.
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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#332 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon Dec 30, 2024 2:48 am

Won 3 out of the last 4 with 3 being on the road against tough competition without our best player, I’ll take it
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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#333 » by AirP. » Mon Dec 30, 2024 2:49 am

3ballbomber wrote:
3ballbomber wrote:We adjust & take the gm.

expose houstons lack of class to boot

Nah, they were pretty heated about that 5 second call, when VanVleet started turning to the ref that was him trying to call time out, the ref should have given him a TO if he made turn towards him/away from the play, Fred barely started turning to the ref before the 5 seconds was up.

What should have happened for Houson is that they tell the ref if we get past 4, I'm probably calling a TO when I'm turning towards you, it's something I've heard players talk about in interviews before to not get a 5 second call.
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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#334 » by Seabass777 » Mon Dec 30, 2024 2:49 am

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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#335 » by AirP. » Mon Dec 30, 2024 2:51 am

jbsays wrote:
AirP. wrote:
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So does that mean the guaranteed amount counts against the cap or just that the team has to pay it?

Team pays which counts against cap.


So going in to 26/27 season they will have a ton of cap space? Only Bam and Herro big paid guys with Jacquez, Ware, Jovic, and Larsson still on their rookie deals.

$85 mil on books
$170 cap for 26/27 season
Leaves $85 mil in cap space
Rounded some of the numbers, so maybe off by less than $1 million on some of them.

If this is correct I think this is season they're planning for moving forward. That's a lot of cap space to add to Herro and Bam with three of those rookie guys already looking like legit NBA level rotation players.

Yes, 5 players, ~95 mil in salary with the cap going up 10% each year, +14 next season and +15 mil after that.
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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#336 » by KingDavid » Mon Dec 30, 2024 2:53 am

That was an interesting finish. Good win anyway.
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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#337 » by Enso » Mon Dec 30, 2024 2:54 am

DayofMourning wrote:Makes sense that a player named Amen would start some **** on Faith & Family night in Houston.


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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#338 » by MettaWorldPanda » Mon Dec 30, 2024 2:54 am

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marson wrote:Not sure if I'm willing to give up no Niko yet MWP. Only 21 and a lot of room to grow.

Ware has unlocked Niko lol. We have a secret weapon bench front court. We do need another complimentary vet big so Jovic can continue his super sub role.


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Really happy for Niko. I’ve been a harsh critic but this is what i’ve been wanting out of him all along. He plays well off Ware and surely working his way with Bam but if we can just get that one more physical vet PF piece like a Tucker or Crowder i could see us really taking off. Ware is just a special game changing talent in the front court who hasn’t even scratched the surface.
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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#339 » by marson » Mon Dec 30, 2024 2:55 am

Loving the Ware-Herro chemistry these past few games. Ware 7pts and 7rebs in 13 minutes of action.

Changed the game in that turf qtr.
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Re: Game 30: Heat @ Rockets 12/29/2024 7:00PM ET 

Post#340 » by AirP. » Mon Dec 30, 2024 2:57 am

Really, he's going with this?
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