2025 Offseason Thread Vol.4

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[RexBoyWonder]

I don't really get the appeal of Collins, NAW, these kind of guy.

You might like some more others, but what purpose do they fill here? They're not young, don't have any upside, by the time we'll be back to contention they'll be even older.

It's all about upside, young guys that can grow, guys that could be had on team friendly contracts.

Why are we targeting supporting players when we don't have any main guys to support?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

All I want to see now is to trade Rozier and Wiggins. Rozier only has value as an expiring and Wiggins might net a young player or draft pick, but get rid of these 2 highly paid 30+ year olds who don't fit in our future plans and only serve to take minutes away from the young guys. Kyle Anderson can go too, but might have to wait till next offseason when he's set to be on an expiring deal then. Go into this developmental/tank season looking something like this...

PG - Davion Mitchell / Kasparas Jakucionis / Dru Smith
SG - Tyler Herro / Pelle Larsson / Alec Burks
SF - Haywood Highsmith / Jaimi Jaquez Jr. / Kyle Anderson
PF - Bam Adebayo / Nikola Jovic / Keshad Johnson
C - Kel'el Ware / Vladislav Goldin / Kevin Love

I’m starting to feel good about being able to get a 1st for Wiggins

I'm not so sure about that but it would be nice! I just can't wait to have clean books for the team to work with again. Without him we only have on the books for the year after next (26-27):
Bam $48M
Herro $33M
Mitchell $12M
Ware $4.6M (team option)
JJJ $5.9M (team option)
Larsson $2.3M (team option)

and Anderson $9.6M (can use as expiring in a trade) along with Wiggins I guess if we don't manage to move him and he accepts his $30M player option.

Lakers are about to get desperate I think but we’ll see.

[SerialChiller]

I don't really get the appeal of Collins, NAW, these kind of guy.

You might like some more others, but what purpose do they fill here? They're not young, don't have any upside, by the time we'll be back to contention they'll be even older.

It's all about upside, young guys that can grow, guys that could be had on team friendly contracts.

Why are we targeting supporting players when we don't have any main guys to support?

Exactly, guys like that are only useful if you have Jimmy or Durant already and are going all in. We obviously aren't so lets forget about that kind of stuff for now. Have a developmental year where we also own our own pick and have clean books to then go and resume star hunting again next offseason.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I don't really get the appeal of Collins, NAW, these kind of guy.

You might like some more others, but what purpose do they fill here? They're not young, don't have any upside, by the time we'll be back to contention they'll be even older.

It's all about upside, young guys that can grow, guys that could be had on team friendly contracts.

Why are we targeting supporting players when we don't have any main guys to support?

We’re going to land Collins and NAW or someone of that type and have the perfect supporting cast for a team with a superstar, just missing the superstar lol

[Michael Doleac]

Why are we targeting supporting players when we don't have any main guys to support?

My thoughts exactly!

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[twix2500]

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Miami and GS were the only 2 top-10 defenses this season that had more than two of their top 8 minute getters to grade out with a negative DBPM.

For GS, it was Wiggins (-0.4), Hield (-0.3) and Kuminga (-0.1).

For Miami, it was Duncan (-1.1), Rozier (-1.0) and Herro (-0.7). Notable that Wiggins also netted a negative DBPM during his time with Miami (-0.1).

Every other top 10 defense had no more than 2 players among their top 8 minute getters with a negative DBPM.

If you look exclusively at the top 8 minute getters for each of the top 10 defenses in the NBA, those with the worst DBPM would rank as follows:

Malik Beasley (-1.2)
Duncan Robinson (-1.1)
Terry Rozer (-1.0)
Darius Garland (-0.8)
Tyler Herro (-0.7)
Jaylen Brown (-0.5)
Andrew Wiggins (-0.4)

Miami lays claim to half the list (among 10 teams). It's a minor miracle that Miami was still able to field a top 10 defense.

Based on what we’ve seen so far the market seems to be shifting for one dimensional scorers with teams tossing them around and interest picking up on hustle guys who play both sides of the ball. The importance of Nesmith Nembhard Caruso dort etc in these last playoffs is probably the cause. You can get by with 1 maybe 2 bad defenders but they better be contributing at a very high level offensively

You dont build your team how another team build their teams. Copy cats are for losers. You build your team accordingly to the players you are building around.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Pat Riley just posted this from his burner account, sign me up

[Hoops3355]

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Miami and GS were the only 2 top-10 defenses this season that had more than two of their top 8 minute getters to grade out with a negative DBPM.

For GS, it was Wiggins (-0.4), Hield (-0.3) and Kuminga (-0.1).

For Miami, it was Duncan (-1.1), Rozier (-1.0) and Herro (-0.7). Notable that Wiggins also netted a negative DBPM during his time with Miami (-0.1).

Every other top 10 defense had no more than 2 players among their top 8 minute getters with a negative DBPM.

If you look exclusively at the top 8 minute getters for each of the top 10 defenses in the NBA, those with the worst DBPM would rank as follows:

Malik Beasley (-1.2)
Duncan Robinson (-1.1)
Terry Rozer (-1.0)
Darius Garland (-0.8)
Tyler Herro (-0.7)
Jaylen Brown (-0.5)
Andrew Wiggins (-0.4)

Miami lays claim to half the list (among 10 teams). It's a minor miracle that Miami was still able to field a top 10 defense.

Looking towards middle of the season but after we get off Rozier and should be getting Dru Smith eventually back we gotta circle back to this. WE GOTTTA better defensively at that point.

I really like the PG situation going into the season defensively. Davion is gonna be great starting and then we probably see some rare air of a rookie with Dru probably not 100% by the start of season. Get a preview of KP running the second unit. My Chicago boys who went to Illini and knows ball think we got a legit steal, was adamant that game will be way better that the pro level with more space and his size after he hits our dev program should really allow him to get after smaller pgs (2nd unit guys).

[Kobewade11]

I don't really get the appeal of Collins, NAW, these kind of guy.

You might like some more others, but what purpose do they fill here? They're not young, don't have any upside, by the time we'll be back to contention they'll be even older.

It's all about upside, young guys that can grow, guys that could be had on team friendly contracts.

Why are we targeting supporting players when we don't have any main guys to support?

Jaime - year 3
Niko - year 4
Ware - year 2
Pelle - year 2
Keshad - year 2
KJ - rookie

40% of our roster is currently young, hopefully "upside" guys. Just how many more are we looking to add? And if NAW at 26 going on 27 is not young, are you suggesting we need to trade Bam and get even more young projects in here?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Miami and GS were the only 2 top-10 defenses this season that had more than two of their top 8 minute getters to grade out with a negative DBPM.

For GS, it was Wiggins (-0.4), Hield (-0.3) and Kuminga (-0.1).

For Miami, it was Duncan (-1.1), Rozier (-1.0) and Herro (-0.7). Notable that Wiggins also netted a negative DBPM during his time with Miami (-0.1).

Every other top 10 defense had no more than 2 players among their top 8 minute getters with a negative DBPM.

If you look exclusively at the top 8 minute getters for each of the top 10 defenses in the NBA, those with the worst DBPM would rank as follows:

Malik Beasley (-1.2)
Duncan Robinson (-1.1)
Terry Rozer (-1.0)
Darius Garland (-0.8)
Tyler Herro (-0.7)
Jaylen Brown (-0.5)
Andrew Wiggins (-0.4)

Miami lays claim to half the list (among 10 teams). It's a minor miracle that Miami was still able to field a top 10 defense.

Based on what we’ve seen so far the market seems to be shifting for one dimensional scorers with teams tossing them around and interest picking up on hustle guys who play both sides of the ball. The importance of Nesmith Nembhard Caruso dort etc in these last playoffs is probably the cause. You can get by with 1 maybe 2 bad defenders but they better be contributing at a very high level offensively

You dont build your team how another team build their teams. Copy cats are for losers. You build your team accordingly to the players you are building around.

You need unique pieces for sure, that’s what makes teams special. There are certain archetypes of players who can make an impact in the playoffs though and help raise your ceiling, you have to have 2 way dawgs.

[twix2500]

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[Beenie]

I don't really get the appeal of Collins, NAW, these kind of guy.

You might like some more others, but what purpose do they fill here? They're not young, don't have any upside, by the time we'll be back to contention they'll be even older.

It's all about upside, young guys that can grow, guys that could be had on team friendly contracts.

Why are we targeting supporting players when we don't have any main guys to support?

To support the supporting players

[twix2500]

Based on what we’ve seen so far the market seems to be shifting for one dimensional scorers with teams tossing them around and interest picking up on hustle guys who play both sides of the ball. The importance of Nesmith Nembhard Caruso dort etc in these last playoffs is probably the cause. You can get by with 1 maybe 2 bad defenders but they better be contributing at a very high level offensively

You dont build your team how another team build their teams. Copy cats are for losers. You build your team accordingly to the players you are building around.

You need unique pieces for sure, that’s what makes teams special. There are certain archetypes of players who can make an impact in the playoffs though and help raise your ceiling, you have to have 2 way dawgs.

Those players are the players that complement the stars. Its not a certian player for all teams its a certain player for the star. Example Klay and Curry, the perfect complementary players were not 3d players. It was Defensive players who can pass and set screens ala Bogut and Draymond. For Harden and Luka it was not 3D players it was players who can rebound and catch lobs. For the Wade and Lebron and Bam it was 3D players who can run and Butler yes it was 3D payers that can set screens. You add players who highlight the two players you are building around. This current team has to plan on building around Herro, Bam Ware/Jakucionis. Pick the players that allows those guy to do what they do best.

[DayofMourning]

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Pat Riley just posted this from his burner account, sign me up

Let the Lakers have Jock and get us Knecht.

Rui
Knecht
Whitmore
2031 1st

Then trade Rui, Rozier and KA plus about 7 pix for Giannis.

Giannis/Ware
Bam/Jovic
JJJ/Cam
Herro/Larsson
Davion/Kas

[fincane30]

I don't really get the appeal of Collins, NAW, these kind of guy.

You might like some more others, but what purpose do they fill here? They're not young, don't have any upside, by the time we'll be back to contention they'll be even older.

It's all about upside, young guys that can grow, guys that could be had on team friendly contracts.

Why are we targeting supporting players when we don't have any main guys to support?

Exactly, guys like that are only useful if you have Jimmy or Durant already and are going all in. We obviously aren't so lets forget about that kind of stuff for now. Have a developmental year where we also own our own pick and have clean books to then go and resume star hunting again next offseason.

Well John Collins is an expiring. So he wouldn't be messing up any books. And it is in the Heat's best interest to be competent this season if star chasing is in the plans. Stars don't join bad teams. You can't swap out your entire roster so guys have to play well enough to attract a hypothetical star. Being an absolute dumpster isn't gonna cut it. One of the reasons Kevin Durant and subsequently Kyrie Irving chose the Nets is because they saw a team with guys who finished above .500 the year before and made the playoffs. And with the prospect of a star reaching FA unlikely you're probably using that 2026 pick in the star trade anyway. Likely something close to the KD trade. Where it couldn't become official until the new league year.

[twix2500]

I don't really get the appeal of Collins, NAW, these kind of guy.

You might like some more others, but what purpose do they fill here? They're not young, don't have any upside, by the time we'll be back to contention they'll be even older.

It's all about upside, young guys that can grow, guys that could be had on team friendly contracts.

Why are we targeting supporting players when we don't have any main guys to support?

NAW its a interesting one. I would assume the interest in NAW is to how he fits with Jakucionis and Herro. I havent really study NAW game so its hard for me to say. Collins I think there is little interest in him. Collins I know for a fact has been desperate wanting to come home and play for the Heat. So all the Collins rumors I believe it comes from his agent. Collins would bring some veteran experience to the front court for Bam. As of right now Bam doesnt have any veteran to play with.

[SerialChiller]

I don't really get the appeal of Collins, NAW, these kind of guy.

You might like some more others, but what purpose do they fill here? They're not young, don't have any upside, by the time we'll be back to contention they'll be even older.

It's all about upside, young guys that can grow, guys that could be had on team friendly contracts.

Why are we targeting supporting players when we don't have any main guys to support?

Exactly, guys like that are only useful if you have Jimmy or Durant already and are going all in. We obviously aren't so lets forget about that kind of stuff for now. Have a developmental year where we also own our own pick and have clean books to then go and resume star hunting again next offseason.

Well John Collins is an expiring. So he wouldn't be messing up any books. And it is in the Heat's best interest to be competent this season if star chasing is in the plans. Stars don't join bad teams. You can't swap out your entire roster so guys have to play well enough to attract a hypothetical star. Being an absolute dumpster isn't gonna cut it. One of the reasons Kevin Durant and subsequently Kyrie Irving chose the Nets is because they saw a team with guys who finished above .500 the year before and made the playoffs. And with the prospect of a star reaching FA unlikely you're probably using that 2026 pick in the star trade anyway. Likely something close to the KD trade. Where it couldn't become official until the new league year.

He'd still likely be taking away minutes from guys like Jovic, Ware, and Goldin and for what to make another playin and miss out on the lotto? I think stars will join a Miami Heat team that has a plan with a clear direction. Lately we've been directionless and trying to straddle the line between going all in around an aging star and developing young players. We accomplished neither. Develop the young guys/find out what we have, and get a high lotto pick to trade or use. Then worry about a star and complimentary pieces aside from Bam, Herro and the youth.

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