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Re: Greg Oden to Miami? 

Post#341 » by Grumpy Heat Fan » Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:25 am

Vet min contract is only 2mil less than the MMLE anyway. So he's still not sure of going to Miami, 2-time champ in desperate need of a CENTER, who would give Oden the best media exposure + playing time + another deep playoff run ? He's not sure about wanting to play in that situation because of....... 2 mil ?

The kid who got cut by Portland for never playing more than a handful of games in his entire career since getting picked #1 overall, the kid who hasn't played in an NBA game since 2009 due to his atrocious knees in his early 20's?

**** Greg Oden. He's just using us as leverage for a big contract.

He's not serious at ALL about the opportunity he has in front of him with Miami.

If he was serious, he would sign a 1 year deal with Miami on vet min, and prove to the world that his knees are finally not going to break during an NBA season, help us 3-peat, and then he can either re-sign with us for more money or go to any other team who throws a max contract at him. I don't care if he does, because he helped us 3-peat.


If we give Oden the MMLE, Riley is getting old and senile. He is not **** worth the MMLE. He has to prove he can even play a game in the NBA first. And if Oden really wants to pass up the best BASKETBALL opportunity in the world for him, because of $2 million, then that tells me all I want to know about this scrub. Going for a quick paycheck instead of trying to make an NBA comeback.
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Re: Greg Oden to Miami? 

Post#342 » by Duane » Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:57 pm

People hating on Oden for pursuing his market value are being silly. Like u guys clearly want him because u know his upside is off the charts for anyone we can afford. Yet, u don't think he should be paid a few million more per year? I think perspective has been lost, and we're getting a little greedy. Guys at the ends of their careers take huge paycuts to play here. Guys coming off injury, still in their early 20s look to secure some money. For the mini-mle, there is no better option. I believe Oden is like a decade younger than Dalambert. One option is clearly worth more than the other, even with the risk involved.

Oh yeah, none of us have been to an Oden workout, so we don't know what he can our can't do. Let's trust that the gm that had helped make us one of the best sports franchises around actually knows what he's doing.
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Re: Greg Oden to Miami? 

Post#343 » by Heat_Fan_87 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:03 pm

Duane wrote:People hating on Oden for pursuing his market value are being silly. Like u guys clearly want him because u know his upside is off the charts for anyone we can afford. Yet, u don't think he should be paid a few million more per year? I think perspective has been lost, and we're getting a little greedy. Guys at the ends of their careers take huge paycuts to play here. Guys coming off injury, still in their early 20s look to secure some money. For the mini-mle, there is no better option. I believe Oden is like a decade younger than Dalambert. One option is clearly worth more than the other, even with the risk involved.

Oh yeah, none of us have been to an Oden workout, so we don't know what he can our can't do. Let's trust that the gm that had helped make us one of the best sports franchises around actually knows what he's doing.

i would much rather give the mini mle to oden instead of dalembert. Anyone but dalembert.
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Re: Greg Oden to Miami? 

Post#344 » by nbhadja » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:04 pm

HIF wrote:Rex and the rest of you. Riley isn't giving him the MMLE - that's not at all why we amnestied MM. He'll get the vet min offer with player options.


He will use the MMLE to secure a player probably either Oden or Dalembert. Oden is a risk. I'd sign him for vet min and give Dalembert the MMLE. Lebron won't take kindly to penny pinching cheapness causing Miami to fail to address the center weakness and will remember in 2014 when he makes his decision.
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Re: Greg Oden to Miami? 

Post#345 » by Grumpy Heat Fan » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:08 pm

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Duane wrote:People hating on Oden for pursuing his market value are being silly. Like u guys clearly want him because u know his upside is off the charts for anyone we can afford. Yet, u don't think he should be paid a few million more per year? I think perspective has been lost, and we're getting a little greedy. Guys at the ends of their careers take huge paycuts to play here. Guys coming off injury, still in their early 20s look to secure some money. For the mini-mle, there is no better option. I believe Oden is like a decade younger than Dalambert. One option is clearly worth more than the other, even with the risk involved.

Oh yeah, none of us have been to an Oden workout, so we don't know what he can our can't do. Let's trust that the gm that had helped make us one of the best sports franchises around actually knows what he's doing.

i would much rather give the mini mle to oden instead of dalembert. Anyone but dalembert.


You better drop that perspective cause you are gonna get your heart broken.

1) Beggars can't be choosers

2) There are no other big men willing to come here

3) Dalembert will actually be able to play, unlike Oden
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Re: Greg Oden to Miami? 

Post#346 » by Heat_Fan_87 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:12 pm

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Duane wrote:People hating on Oden for pursuing his market value are being silly. Like u guys clearly want him because u know his upside is off the charts for anyone we can afford. Yet, u don't think he should be paid a few million more per year? I think perspective has been lost, and we're getting a little greedy. Guys at the ends of their careers take huge paycuts to play here. Guys coming off injury, still in their early 20s look to secure some money. For the mini-mle, there is no better option. I believe Oden is like a decade younger than Dalambert. One option is clearly worth more than the other, even with the risk involved.

Oh yeah, none of us have been to an Oden workout, so we don't know what he can our can't do. Let's trust that the gm that had helped make us one of the best sports franchises around actually knows what he's doing.

i would much rather give the mini mle to oden instead of dalembert. Anyone but dalembert.


You better drop that perspective cause you are gonna get your heart broken.

1) Beggars can't be choosers

2) There are no other big men willing to come here

3) Dalembert will actually be able to play, unlike Oden

He couldn't even get playtime on the bucks lol. Can't believe how some are overrating this guy. Hilarious.

Also, where have you seen anything saying dalembert is interested in joining miami this season?

Dalembert would be playing behind bosh and birdamn. Bosh is not moving back to PF, that is pretty obvious.
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Re: Greg Oden to Miami? 

Post#347 » by nbhadja » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:18 pm

Dalembert avergared 7 ppg and 6 rpg in just 15 mins a game last season. And he has legit size and some post D. Bosh is not a center. Hibbert and Duncan raped him. If we get dally or oden bosh's center mins will get reduced a lot.
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Post#348 » by Heat_Fan_87 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:19 pm

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Pelicans expect to meet free agent center Greg Oden next week, sources told Y! Sports. Pelicans poised to make offer close to $3 million.

There you go, we will need to offer him the mini mle to get him. I think it's worth it, nice risk, reward.
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Re: Greg Oden to Miami? 

Post#349 » by wadeallday1 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:29 pm

Heat_Fan_87 wrote:spears
Pelicans expect to meet free agent center Greg Oden next week, sources told Y! Sports. Pelicans poised to make offer close to $3 million.

There you go, we will need to offer him the mini mle to get him. I think it's worth it, nice risk, reward.

I think we do it too
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Re: Greg Oden to Miami? 

Post#350 » by ifrosty13 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:52 pm

I would only offer Oden the Mini MLE if we can get somehow a deal like the one the Cavs gave to Bynum. 1.5 Guaranteed the rest non guaranteed and a second year team option. I think that would be ideal, and what would make the most sense for both.

Unless Oden is just trying to cash in another paycheck without having to play another minute of basketball.
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Re: Greg Oden to Miami? 

Post#351 » by Slot Machine » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:52 pm

Heat_Fan_87 wrote:He couldn't even get playtime on the bucks lol. Can't believe how some are overrating this guy. Hilarious.

Also, where have you seen anything saying dalembert is interested in joining miami this season?

Dalembert would be playing behind bosh and birdamn. Bosh is not moving back to PF, that is pretty obvious.

And Oden has played a total of 82 games in the NBA and has had 3 microfracture surgeries. One of these guys is being overrated and it isn't Dalembert.
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Re: Greg Oden to Miami? 

Post#352 » by Heat_Fan_87 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:55 pm

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Heat_Fan_87 wrote:He couldn't even get playtime on the bucks lol. Can't believe how some are overrating this guy. Hilarious.

Also, where have you seen anything saying dalembert is interested in joining miami this season?

Dalembert would be playing behind bosh and birdamn. Bosh is not moving back to PF, that is pretty obvious.

And Oden has played a total of 82 games in the NBA and has had 3 microfracture surgeries. One of these guys is being overrated and it isn't Dalembert.

dalembert would play behind bosh and birdman here. I guarnatee dalembert won't want to join miami becuase we wont guarantee him any minutes here. If oden pans out that would be such a huge pickup, a small price to risk to basically guarantee a 3peat. People thinking dalembert would come here and be the starting center are being delusional
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Post#353 » by Slot Machine » Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:06 pm

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Heat_Fan_87 wrote:He couldn't even get playtime on the bucks lol. Can't believe how some are overrating this guy. Hilarious.

Also, where have you seen anything saying dalembert is interested in joining miami this season?

Dalembert would be playing behind bosh and birdamn. Bosh is not moving back to PF, that is pretty obvious.

And Oden has played a total of 82 games in the NBA and has had 3 microfracture surgeries. One of these guys is being overrated and it isn't Dalembert.

dalembert would play behind bosh and birdman here. I guarnatee dalembert won't want to join miami becuase we wont guarantee him any minutes here. If oden pans out that would be such a huge pickup, a small price to risk to basically guarantee a 3peat. People thinking dalembert would come here and be the starting center are being delusional

You know what's delusional? Thinking after a laundry list of injuries, Oden will come here and not get injured. Putting aside the fact that he has to be a shell of his former self after 3 microfracture surgeries, why are people overlooking the fact that he would just get injured here?

I still think it's pretty funny how people overlook how terrible microfracture surgery is for an athlete.
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Post#354 » by Heat_Fan_87 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:08 pm

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Slot Machine wrote:And Oden has played a total of 82 games in the NBA and has had 3 microfracture surgeries. One of these guys is being overrated and it isn't Dalembert.

dalembert would play behind bosh and birdman here. I guarnatee dalembert won't want to join miami becuase we wont guarantee him any minutes here. If oden pans out that would be such a huge pickup, a small price to risk to basically guarantee a 3peat. People thinking dalembert would come here and be the starting center are being delusional

You know what's delusional? Thinking after a laundry list of injuries, Oden will come here and not get injured. Putting aside the fact that he has to be a shell of his former self after 3 microfracture surgeries, why are people overlooking the fact that he would just get injured here?

I still think it's pretty funny how people overlook how terrible microfracture surgery is for an athlete.

He might get injured again, but getting dalembert would be a terrible decisions. He would get very little playtime. He caused locker room problems in milwaukee when they cut his minutes back, he has poor work ethic(just ask a philly fan). Not worth wasting any money on that guy. If riley is investing this much time and interest in oden, he clearly thinks more highly of him then you do.
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Post#355 » by Slot Machine » Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:18 pm

Heat_Fan_87 wrote:He might get injured again, but getting dalembert would be a terrible decisions. He would get very little playtime. He caused locker room problems in milwaukee when they cut his minutes back, he has poor work ethic(just ask a philly fan). Not worth wasting any money on that guy. If riley is investing this much time and interest in oden, he clearly thinks more highly of him then you do.

Dalembert would get a ton of playtime, I'm really not sure why you think he wouldn't. Birdman wasn't picked up because teams thought he might cause locker room problems. Teams are often wrong about that type of thing, not to mention the fact that we have a very strong locker room anyway. Riley has gone after Dalembert also, seems like he just wants a big.
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Post#356 » by Heat_Fan_87 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:22 pm

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Heat_Fan_87 wrote:He might get injured again, but getting dalembert would be a terrible decisions. He would get very little playtime. He caused locker room problems in milwaukee when they cut his minutes back, he has poor work ethic(just ask a philly fan). Not worth wasting any money on that guy. If riley is investing this much time and interest in oden, he clearly thinks more highly of him then you do.

Dalembert would get a ton of playtime, I'm really not sure why you think he wouldn't. Birdman wasn't picked up because teams thought he might cause locker room problems. Teams are often wrong about that type of thing, not to mention the fact that we have a very strong locker room anyway. Riley has gone after Dalembert also, seems like he just wants a big.

Becasue bosh is the center going forward. We won 2 rings with him playing center and there is no reason to think that won't continue. With bird man, ud, lebron, and shane also in the power rotation(PF, C) there are hardly any minutes left, maybe 10-15min a game. Dalembert has a history of making noise when he doesn't get a lot of playtime. Last think i want on this team is a headache. Also, dalembert consistently looks for as much money as he can get, and there is nothing wrong with that. Every player on this heat team has had to sacrifice something, either playing time or money, and most have sacrificed both. It's just a part of the culture here.
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Post#357 » by RexBoyWonder » Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:22 pm

Dalembert's range, in terms of overall impact and success with us - from worst case scenario to best case scenario : 5-7

Oden's range, in terms of overall impact and success with us - from worst case scenario to best case scenario :
0-10


Oden is Swinging for the homerun, Dally is a single. Take your pick.
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Post#358 » by Heat_Fan_87 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:24 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:Dalembert's range, in terms of overall impact and success with us - from best case scenario to worst case scenario : 5-7

Oden's range, in terms of overall impact and success with us - from best case scenario to worst case scenario :
0-10


Oden is Swinging for the homerun, Dally is a single. Take your pick.

Some people around here act as if we cant win another ring without dalembert lol
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Post#359 » by Slot Machine » Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:29 pm

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Heat_Fan_87 wrote:He might get injured again, but getting dalembert would be a terrible decisions. He would get very little playtime. He caused locker room problems in milwaukee when they cut his minutes back, he has poor work ethic(just ask a philly fan). Not worth wasting any money on that guy. If riley is investing this much time and interest in oden, he clearly thinks more highly of him then you do.

Dalembert would get a ton of playtime, I'm really not sure why you think he wouldn't. Birdman wasn't picked up because teams thought he might cause locker room problems. Teams are often wrong about that type of thing, not to mention the fact that we have a very strong locker room anyway. Riley has gone after Dalembert also, seems like he just wants a big.

Becasue bosh is the center going forward. We won 2 rings with him playing center and there is no reason to think that won't continue. With bird man, ud, lebron, and shane also in the power rotation(PF, C) there are hardly any minutes left, maybe 10-15min a game. Dalembert has a history of making noise when he doesn't get a lot of playtime. Last think i want on this team is a headache. Also, dalembert consistently looks for as much money as he can get, and there is nothing wrong with that. Every player on this heat team has had to sacrifice something, either playing time or money, and most have sacrificed both. It's just a part of the culture here.

Bosh can play either frontcourt position, that's not a big deal at all. Certain matcups, he's better at the 4, for example against Indiana. His length bothers and slows West but every other big we have is too small to guard Hibbert. With Dalembert, we throw him on Hibbert and Bosh on West and everything is a lot easier for us. Against teams like OKC, Bosh plays the 5, Dalembert's playtime goes down. No one who comes here ever has conditioning problems after they're done with our program. UD should get his minutes cut down for Dalembert, simple. The regular season would be a lot easier for the team if we had some big who could go up and get boards instead of needing the team to go balls to the wall to rebound effectively. He would play a lot in the regular season, especially when we're struggling inside.
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Post#360 » by WD » Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:45 pm

So as a championship team, we have to compete against the fcking Pelicans for the services of a player who hasn't player since 2009 because he's tall?

Even though I am sure they will offer more years(I guess) fock ODEN
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