Miami Heat 2016 Offseason Thread; "It will be fun in July"- July-er(Part XIII)

[KingDavid]

Winslow can play 1-4. It doesn't matter. He's the most position-less player on our team.

Whoa, thats quite a bit of hyperbole. Winslow can defend 1-4. Not play 1-4. He lacks the offensive skills for something only Lebron has accomplished in this era.

And playing the 4 won't work well until he develops a solid 3pt shot or else he will be the cause of defenses crowding the middle or helping off of him.

[RexBoyWonder]

I'm polling the general public on the Bosh conundrum, could we trade him if he's back?

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[Chaoitic23]

Sullinger to the Raptors for $6 mil/1 year. Would of preferred him over Ellington

[Rapaz]

Sullinger to the Raptors for $6 mil/1 year. Would of preferred him over Ellington

Too fluffy

[Seabass777]

Sullinger to the Raptors for $6 mil/1 year. Would of preferred him over Ellington

Too fluffy

Too dough-e

[krikor]

I think high of raptors gm Masai Ujiri .... he done well with denver and now in toronto.

[Chaoitic23]

Sullinger to the Raptors for $6 mil/1 year. Would of preferred him over Ellington

Too fluffy

Too dough-e

Lmao too fluffy for a one year experiment?

[orphicwhip]

Sullinger to the Raptors for $6 mil/1 year. Would of preferred him over Ellington

Too fluffy

Too dough-e

Too **** fat

[Picklewagon]

Sullinger to the Raptors for $6 mil/1 year. Would of preferred him over Ellington

Amazing when you put it in perspective. Sullinger was a top 5 player for Boston last year and only got 1 year 6 million. Deng who was probably our fifth best player when Bosh was playing got almost 18 million a year. Both teams finished with the same record.

[Rapaz]

Sullinger to the Raptors for $6 mil/1 year. Would of preferred him over Ellington

Amazing when you put it in perspective. Sullinger was a top 5 player for Boston last year and only got 1 year 6 million. Deng who was probably our fifth best player when Bosh was playing got almost 18 million a year. Both teams finished with the same record.

If you have something to say about Erik Spoelstra, Mr. Picklewagon, speak clearly and bluntly.

[UD4MVP]

For all the spending done this offseason by all the teams, it hasn't changed the fact that there's only two teams (GS and CLE) that are winning the title next year.

[UD4MVP]

Sullinger to the Raptors for $6 mil/1 year. Would of preferred him over Ellington

Amazing when you put it in perspective. Sullinger was a top 5 player for Boston last year and only got 1 year 6 million. Deng who was probably our fifth best player when Bosh was playing got almost 18 million a year. Both teams finished with the same record.

Deng's post all star break and first round against Charlotte was what got him the big raise, he was arguably the 2nd or 3rd best player in that span

[Picklewagon]

Sullinger to the Raptors for $6 mil/1 year. Would of preferred him over Ellington

Amazing when you put it in perspective. Sullinger was a top 5 player for Boston last year and only got 1 year 6 million. Deng who was probably our fifth best player when Bosh was playing got almost 18 million a year. Both teams finished with the same record.

If you have something to say about Erik Spoelstra, Mr. Picklewagon, speak clearly and bluntly.

I have many times in the harshest of tones

[SCHeat]

I feel for TJ a little bit because I think expectations for him are going to be unreasonably high now because of that contract. I think there's a very slim to no chance he lives up to being worth $20 million a year on a championship team, but I still think he is going to be a good player. If we were going to get the benefit of averaging his salary like the Nets were, his expectations would be a lot more in line with what he's capable of.

I think we can work something out after the third year, extension for lower hit but more years. Harden did it this year for more money, Wouldn't shock me if TJ will do it to help the team and to stay in Miami.

I highly doubt he would. The lowest he can drop it to is 60% of his old salary. Unless he really develops and can earn more it makes more sense to opt in then just take a deal elsewhere

Say the market for him is 10/year by year 4

20+10+10 = 40

12+12+12 = 36

So even if we extend, give him two more years, and drop it to the lowest amount possible he still gives up $4 million. And we still only create 8 million in cap room. And I'm not even sure if it's legal to do this if there is a player option involved

Only good outcomes of this is: 1) he develops into a borderline all star 2) We make all our big moves in 2017 FA/Draft 3) We trade him and acquire an asset 4) We amnesty him in 2018.

Of those, only option 4 is particularly likely and there' still a chance we don't get an amnesty in the new CBA, and if we do we still might prefer to use it on someone else.

I'll stop beating this drum because we've made our bed, but I think this will be looked at as a super McBob deal in two years (or less).

[QUIZ]

Sullinger to the Raptors for $6 mil/1 year. Would of preferred him over Ellington

Amazing when you put it in perspective. Sullinger was a top 5 player for Boston last year and only got 1 year 6 million. Deng who was probably our fifth best player when Bosh was playing got almost 18 million a year. Both teams finished with the same record.

Deng was our 2nd best player in the playoffs though.

[Heat_Fan_87]

sullinger is awful on defense. rather have ellingtons shooting.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Winslow can play 1-4. It doesn't matter. He's the most position-less player on our team.

Whoa, thats quite a bit of hyperbole. Winslow can defend 1-4. Not play 1-4. He lacks the offensive skills for something only Lebron has accomplished in this era.

And playing the 4 won't work well until he develops a solid 3pt shot or else he will be the cause of defenses crowding the middle or helping off of him.

Well I agree with this, BUT, assuming he gets a lot more comfortable on offense and learns to shoot (neither is a given), I'd say he could play the 1 through 4 on offense as well. He's got a solid handle, he can drive, he can post-up a little bit. His problems are zero shooting ability and no feel for how to fit into the flow on offense, but he can almost handle like a point guard and he can post-up like a forward.

The potential is there... we just have no idea if he'll match it. Beasley had more potential than Winslow, and we all know how that turned out (not implying Winslow = Beasley, just, well you know).

[Myam333]

Sullinger to the Raptors for $6 mil/1 year. Would of preferred him over Ellington

Nah fam

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[orphicwhip]

Listening to Skolnick's show, he doesn't expect Bosh to play.