Official Offseason thread Vol 3: Bck2BACK

[HEATVols865]

Just saw someone comment '6th man of the year' on that Waiters post. He responded 'no sir'.

Well, I guess that's that lol.

Oh phuck he thinks he’s a star!

[Hallstar]

A name that Mia ought to have an interest in for 2021 and isn't getting mentioned is Buddy Hield.

He's younger and would be less expensive than Beal with perhaps even a higher upside.

restricted FA, he only leaves if they don't want him

[HEATVols865]

A name that Mia ought to have an interest in for 2021 and isn't getting mentioned is Buddy Hield.

He's younger and would be less expensive than Beal with perhaps even a higher upside.

restricted FA, he only leaves if they don't want him

Let’s TJ Johnson them

[Bishop45]

Waiters fan since birth, Doc?

If Dion embraced that 6th man role, in this kind of shape, he’d be terrific and well worth his $12m.

Hopefully he can stay healthy and show some of that explosion again next year. He’s gonna be important, one of the best shot makers on the squad and should be one of our better three point shooters.

Anything less than Yimmy/Waiters/Winslow ain't it

I'm good with Winslow/Waiters/Butler as our starting guard/wing rotation Bish. If Dragic is still on the roster, he can also fill that same 6th man role I wa stalking about above.

I just need to see Winnie reps man. I really feel he could really break out this year if given the rock. No Jrich, and he seems (should be) the clear choice to start at the 1 (nevermind the Riley rhetoric - he's blusterin').

Going to be a crowded ball regardless, Winslow gotta call his own shots. I need him to grow out of his "I'm not confident enough to take this shot, this game" phase, and soon. Training wheels are rustin' and ain't no free meals out here

And if he's just going to spot-up/slash: do it valiantly

[dean456]

Looking back on it now trading Harkless and the 2023 protected pick for cap space was a terrible move by Riley and co. I know it allowed us to get Butler. But in hindsight LA Clippers needed that pick to get the Kawhi/PG deals done so we didn't need to lock up all of our future picks in one trade that only provided us cap room. Riley got played on that deal.

[Wiltside]

Looking back on it now trading Harkless and the 2023 protected pick for cap space was a terrible move by Riley and co. I know it allowed us to get Butler. But in hindsight LA Clippers needed that pick to get the Kawhi/PG deals done so we didn't need to lock up all of our future picks in one trade that only provided us cap room. Riley got played on that deal.

It's the cost of doing business. We don't do that, we don't get Butler.

As it turns out, swings and roundabouts. The pick may come full circle if CP3 ends up here.

[Bishop45]

Just saw someone comment '6th man of the year' on that Waiters post. He responded 'no sir'.

Well, I guess that's that lol.

Watch on YouTube

[dean456]

This deal OKC are proposing makes absolutely no sense for us. Teams can only trade future picks from the next 7 seasons at any point in time which means we can only trade picks up until 2026. If we only get one of our picks back it doesn't help us at all. Right now we can't trade any picks because they are tied up in the 2023 pick protections extending all the way until 2026. But if OKC were to take any of those picks back in return for the 2023 we still wouldn't be able to trade any of those picks because we'd have,

2022(can't trade because of 2021 at OKC), 2023 (tradable), 2024(not tradable with 2023 moving), 2025 and 2026(both not tradable if OKC take either back in trade). If we only get the 2021 pick back we can only trade the 2020 or the 2021 because the 2023 will still have the protections until 2026.

Only way this trade helps us is with both our picks coming back to us. If its either one of the 2021 or 2023 we can still only trade a single pick in a deal for Beal because we can't trade 2 picks in consecutive years.

If we got both 2021 and 2023 back we could then potentially trade,

2020, 2022, 2024 and 2026 picks
or
2021, 2023 and 2025 picks

Basically if we make a deal for Paul for only one pick we are royally screwed with no picks and no cap space. So to me it's safe to say the deal is dead if OKC don't budge with a second pick. I could see a scenario where we'd be willing to trade a 2026 unprotected pick for both the 2021 and 2023 picks in return because then we could then still trade 2020/2022/2024 or 2021 and 2023 in a Beal trade.

DoM just went full Tommen Lannister at the thought of us trading all picks

It's okay DoM step away from the ledge I would only want to trade max 2 picks in a deal for Beal but I'm just saying we would have the ability to trade all those picks should we receive both our picks back from OKC. Problem is we have already essentially traded all of our picks away when it comes to being able to use any in trades going forward.

[dean456]

Looking back on it now trading Harkless and the 2023 protected pick for cap space was a terrible move by Riley and co. I know it allowed us to get Butler. But in hindsight LA Clippers needed that pick to get the Kawhi/PG deals done so we didn't need to lock up all of our future picks in one trade that only provided us cap room. Riley got played on that deal.

It's the cost of doing business. We don't do that, we don't get Butler.

As it turns out, swings and roundabouts. The pick may come full circle if CP3 ends up here.

But like I said in my post if it means us giving them another future pick in its place and it doesn't come back with the 2021 as well then a single pick back is about as useless as it staying with OKC. Now if we get it back and don't have to send another future back with it then that's a slightly different story because we'd then have at least have two tradable picks with either 2023 and 2025 or 2024 and 2026.

[JWizmentality]

A name that Mia ought to have an interest in for 2021 and isn't getting mentioned is Buddy Hield.

He's younger and would be less expensive than Beal with perhaps even a higher upside.

restricted FA, he only leaves if they don't want him

Fun fact: Beal is younger than Buddy Hield.

[Heat3]

Looking back on it now trading Harkless and the 2023 protected pick for cap space was a terrible move by Riley and co. I know it allowed us to get Butler. But in hindsight LA Clippers needed that pick to get the Kawhi/PG deals done so we didn't need to lock up all of our future picks in one trade that only provided us cap room. Riley got played on that deal.

He wasnt going to give a pick but the Mavs backed out of the Dragic trade. So he had to find another team to help. Clippers had no reason to help us without a sweetener. And tbh I don’t think our ‘23 protected pick was the difference maker for PG13. If the clippers don’t have it that deal still gets done. It was just icing on the cake.

[dean456]

Looking back on it now trading Harkless and the 2023 protected pick for cap space was a terrible move by Riley and co. I know it allowed us to get Butler. But in hindsight LA Clippers needed that pick to get the Kawhi/PG deals done so we didn't need to lock up all of our future picks in one trade that only provided us cap room. Riley got played on that deal.

He wasnt going to give a pick but the Mavs backed out of the Dragic trade. So he had to find another team to help. Clippers had no reason to help us without a sweetener. And tbh I don’t think our ‘23 protected pick was the difference maker for PG13. If the clippers don’t have it that deal still gets done. It was just icing on the cake.

Yeah I know I understand why we did the deal at the time. But at the end of the day if our only way to improve the roster is either gutting the team of our young talent plus our other guys to match salaries or just waiting until 2021 when we have cap space then there wasn't much point in getting Butler.

Also as far as this team should be concerned Dallas are dead to us. Their calls from now until forever should go straight to voicemail. I don't care how much they could potentially help us in a deal.

[dean456]

Read on Twitter

That's right Beal keep thinking about Miami and Florida.


Doesn't say it here but Beal retweeted this.

[Maroko]

Read on Twitter

That's right Beal keep thinking about Miami and Florida.


Doesn't say it here but Beal retweeted this.

Just like how Westbrick liked on Insta à pic where he was wearing a heat jersey and we know how it worked Darth Sidious (the real ones know that name)

[dean456]

Source Plug is back saying Paul official news is coming soon.

[puppa bear]

Source Plug is back saying Paul official news is coming soon.

They’ve been on this for days and there’s been no movement.

Combining all the rumours, makes it go something like this:

Heat had a deal almost done for Russ, but Presti wanted Herro. Riley signed Herro to take him fully off the table for 30 days, so Presti took the two existing deals to the owner & asked which - owner said he was cool with the Houston deal getting more picks. Russ is “traded” to Houston. CP not happy, and expressed his displeasure through private channels, but is assured he’ll be dealt. A third team becomes interested in being in the Russ deal, so the paperwork not submitted, then they pull out (possibly wanting picks for CP). Heat circle back and see if they can get picks for taking on CP to use in a Beal deal. Beal expresses disinterest in signing extension, but the Wizards have no GM to work the phones. CP deal apparently almost completed as a large deal, but again a periphery team withdrew due to not getting sufficient compensation.

So now, CP isn’t dealt, but isn’t in OKC. Butler inexplicably hasn’t had his presser with the Heat. Beal looking shakier in Wizards, but no closer to being dealt. Heat actively shopping, but it’s unclear as to exactly who is the target(s) and who is being shopped.

[HIF]

That's an actual argument unlike Fiorentino's which was basically that Spo is a hard worker. Every coach in the NBA is assumed to be a hard worker.

Yeah, that's not at all fair to Fiorentino, someone that everyone respects. In the Heat saying you are a hard worker is like saying you would crush your enemies and gnash them in your teeth. It's just dialect.

I'm admittedly not a fan of Fiorentino. For years he frustrated me with his platitudes that he would pass off as insights in his tv commentary. And I just found him to be cringy at times with his "D-Wade, Baby! Number one in excitement!" lines in the context of discussing numbers and percentages.

Quite frankly, I don't know anyone who liked his commentary and found anything he said to be illuminating. Not my cup of tea.

In terms of the his twitter spat, I stand by what I said. His argument was not an argument.

I quite enjoyed his commentary. Much better than listening to the opposition's biased guys.

[batterybro42]

I really think a deal for Paul is essential in the acquisition of Bradley Beal, hopefully you get 2 picks and swing those immediately to Washington

Heat Get: Beal, and Paul
OKC Gets: Dragic, JJ, and Dion
Wizards Get: Winslow, KO, and 4 future 1st round picks from Miami

Deal reduces our cap by about 7 million for the upcoming season, and we are able to use our Elington trade exception for that, free us enough money to bring back Wade and give UD his final ride.

PG: Paul, Wade, Nunn
SG: Beal, Herro
SF: Buckets DJJ, Robinson
PF: Myles L, KZ, UD
C: Bam, Maten

Would be nice to Add somebody like Dwight Howard for the vet minimum to backup Bam off the bench

Run it back Dwade you aren't supposed to retire in the regular season, need that 4th ring

[Kobewade11]

Wade is done playing, thats been made abundantly clear. Stop forcing it.

[Beenie]

A name that Mia ought to have an interest in for 2021 and isn't getting mentioned is Buddy Hield.

He's younger and would be less expensive than Beal with perhaps even a higher upside.

restricted FA, he only leaves if they don't want him

Fun fact: Beal is younger than Buddy Hield.

Beal DOB: 6/28/93

Hield DOB: 12/17/92

Weird considering Beal has been in the league 4 years longer than Hield