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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 3 

Post#341 » by contract » Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:47 am

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Jerami grant getting drilled by 30 in the 1st quarter, hope you’re happy brother!!

Lol I never thought Jerami was an option. Apparently he chose Detroit in free agency in large part because he wanted to play for a black coach and black GM. Besides that being kinda racist, it rules out the Heat and pretty much signals that winning isn't his ultimate priority


nope no no, it ain't.
And the move to Detroit despite what he says was for a bigger role so he could another big contract. Which is what I'd as a NBA player. Till I'm 35, my no 1 goal would be to get paid. Winning is nice but that generational wealth is better

Yep. :nod:

You don't see a lot of owners trading money for winning championships. That's why they are billionaires.

Chase a ring when you're back to playing for the veteran minimum.
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Post#342 » by DayofMourning » Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:11 pm

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DayofMourning wrote:Wish Yurt had made Rising Stars....:(

Preach :sigh: :cry:

The difference between how Duncan is treated compared to Yurtz is amazing and deserves more attention than it gets.


I would have watched the game if he was in there. Now, I highly doubt it.
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Post#343 » by dshearn » Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:24 pm

heater4life wrote:Although not the most pressing need, getting Goran would be a huge pickup for Miami. The man is a savy creator and a big time shot maker. With the chemistry he has with this team and knowledge of our concepts, his impact will be immediate.

Gabe has improved leaps and bounds, but Gogi will optimize that second unit.

Plus, after trading for Lowry, giving him the chance to compete for a ring with the same group warms my soul. Heatlifer.



TORN,

I guess you get the best guy you can get, but we do have a glut of smaller regular rotation dudes.

I bet your 100% right though, Herro and Goran could routinely decimate other teams' reserves.

There is so much depth, its crazy to think we can take gamble like that and bring in non 3 and D guys and not jeopardize the back side of the rotation.
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Post#344 » by fishfuego. » Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:37 pm

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dshearn wrote:For the limited time we had Bam and Yurt on the court, there was a very different dynamic in play. Yurt was moving on defense and mostly functional boxing out. They did get blasted from 3 like 3 times before N O adjusted and brought their big back in. Dropping Martin back in at 3 in that set very well might be the key.

On offense there is absolutely something there. They were getting their screens and still a threat in the paint.

It really is possible there is enough there on offense and defense that teams might have to adapt to match Miami going big. I think all the people that been very vocal about Bam and Yurt are right. Very well could force teams to match Miami


It was decent, only +2 but I’m going to give it like 10 games before I judge it since it’s new. If Spo even goes back to it, he obviously didn’t like what he saw from yurt in the first half. We’ll see.



+2 was mostly on perimeter defense. I think 3 of those 5 possessions we got hit with 3s.

It was far from perfect, but there is something there.


Keep in mind that one of our better defensive players, Caleb, was out. I truly believe that a unit consisting of Yurt, Bam and a combination of Caleb, Butler, PJ, Lowry, Vincent, will be quite the nightmare to score on. The opposition has to shoot with an above average degree of difficulty.

A team such as Brooklyn for example, with Simmons instead of Harden, now has to have shooters with him because the paint will now consist of big bodies, even on the switch.
A team such as Sixers would have to have Embiid at his best, because we have the bodies to throw at him, but can they handle 2 of our bigs at the same time , plus our shooters/defenders, etc.
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Post#345 » by fishfuego. » Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:44 pm

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heater4life wrote:Although not the most pressing need, getting Goran would be a huge pickup for Miami. The man is a savy creator and a big time shot maker. With the chemistry he has with this team and knowledge of our concepts, his impact will be immediate.

Gabe has improved leaps and bounds, but Gogi will optimize that second unit.

Plus, after trading for Lowry, giving him the chance to compete for a ring with the same group warms my soul. Heatlifer.



TORN,

I guess you get the best guy you can get, but we do have a glut of smaller regular rotation dudes.

I bet your 100% right though, Herro and Goran could routinely decimate other teams' reserves.

There is so much depth, its crazy to think we can take gamble like that and bring in non 3 and D guys and not jeopardize the back side of the rotation.

Can they still sign Goran this season?
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Post#346 » by DayofMourning » Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:47 pm

Since he got moved again, they can.
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Post#347 » by fishfuego. » Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:53 pm

Oh ok, that would not be bad at all.
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Post#348 » by dshearn » Fri Feb 11, 2022 1:24 pm

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It was decent, only +2 but I’m going to give it like 10 games before I judge it since it’s new. If Spo even goes back to it, he obviously didn’t like what he saw from yurt in the first half. We’ll see.



+2 was mostly on perimeter defense. I think 3 of those 5 possessions we got hit with 3s.

It was far from perfect, but there is something there.


Keep in mind that one of our better defensive players, Caleb, was out. I truly believe that a unit consisting of Yurt, Bam and a combination of Caleb, Butler, PJ, Lowry, Vincent, will be quite the nightmare to score on. The opposition has to shoot with an above average degree of difficulty.

A team such as Brooklyn for example, with Simmons instead of Harden, now has to have shooters with him because the paint will now consist of big bodies, even on the switch.
A team such as Sixers would have to have Embiid at his best, because we have the bodies to throw at him, but can they handle 2 of our bigs at the same time , plus our shooters/defenders, etc.



100% agree

Martin's defense on the point is going to be key and Bam's switchy-ness is going to make the Yurt-Bam combo functional.

Even this game Bam got that block from behind because he didn't have to be in front of the rim, Yurt handled that.

Martin has been stunning on defense when he is on the ball. No one wants to see him defending 4s.... but when he can go on 1-2s even 3s to an extent he has been stunning.
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Post#349 » by contract » Fri Feb 11, 2022 1:49 pm

This fanbase is weird. We're all alone in 1st place in the East with 26 games to go, and some fans are unhappy because our coach won't alter our style of play to get our 3rd string Center more minutes?

That's **** weird!

Other fans were upset because Pat didn't disrupt what we have going on to bring in some high usage low efficiency guy to be our 3rd/4th/5th scorer? And an undersized "PF" who doesn't rebound at that?

Weird!

We're sharing the ball. We're playing defense. And we're not even hitting on all cylinders yet. This is the best team we've had since LeBron left town! :onfire:
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Post#350 » by dshearn » Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:08 pm

contract wrote:This fanbase is weird. We're all alone in 1st place in the East with 26 games to go, and some fans are unhappy because our coach won't alter our style of play to get our 3rd string Center more minutes?

That's **** weird!

Other fans were upset because Pat didn't disrupt what we have going on to bring in some high usage low efficiency guy to be our 3rd/4th/5th scorer? And an undersized "PF" who doesn't rebound at that?

Weird!

We're sharing the ball. We're playing defense. And we're not even hitting on all cylinders yet. This is the best team we've had since LeBron left town! :onfire:



I don't know how many people are unhappy per say, but because our starting center was out for such a long time, we come to find out we have something rare among 3rd string centers, a 7 footer with real talent.

Looking at the time frame since Lebron left, we probably have the best 7 foot center since that time on the roster right now. I dont think it is that weird that fans are debating how Spo can make that fit in the offense again now that Bam is back and healthy.
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Post#351 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:20 pm

dshearn wrote:
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dshearn wrote:For the limited time we had Bam and Yurt on the court, there was a very different dynamic in play. Yurt was moving on defense and mostly functional boxing out. They did get blasted from 3 like 3 times before N O adjusted and brought their big back in. Dropping Martin back in at 3 in that set very well might be the key.

On offense there is absolutely something there. They were getting their screens and still a threat in the paint.

It really is possible there is enough there on offense and defense that teams might have to adapt to match Miami going big. I think all the people that been very vocal about Bam and Yurt are right. Very well could force teams to match Miami


It was decent, only +2 but I’m going to give it like 10 games before I judge it since it’s new. If Spo even goes back to it, he obviously didn’t like what he saw from yurt in the first half. We’ll see.



+2 was mostly on perimeter defense. I think 3 of those 5 possessions we got hit with 3s.

It was far from perfect, but there is something there.


That’s not how it works though and there’s a reason those guys were open. The defense as a unit was a step slow, that’s not just on the perimeter, especially considering we switch everything.
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Post#352 » by RexBoyWonder » Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:23 pm

Our Biggest weakness is still at PF. over relying on Tucker can really blow up in our faces.

That's why some want to give Yurt minutes - So bam can help PJ and log some minutes at PF while Omer\Dedmon play C.
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Post#353 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:30 pm

It will never happen but damn Trent jr would be the perfect Duncan replacement. Like put him in the starting unit and it’s crazy how much better we’d. He’d be our 4th best player, he’s a better overall player than Herro. Yea I said it.
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Post#354 » by greg4012 » Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:42 pm

contract wrote:This fanbase is weird. We're all alone in 1st place in the East with 26 games to go, and some fans are unhappy because our coach won't alter our style of play to get our 3rd string Center more minutes?

That's **** weird!

Other fans were upset because Pat didn't disrupt what we have going on to bring in some high usage low efficiency guy to be our 3rd/4th/5th scorer? And an undersized "PF" who doesn't rebound at that?

Weird!

We're sharing the ball. We're playing defense. And we're not even hitting on all cylinders yet. This is the best team we've had since LeBron left town! :onfire:


I think it definitely gets overblown on here with our fans. But I do believe the desire to give the Bam-Yurt look a chance is valid so long as Yurt can space the floor on offense at times. It's another way to maximize our depth while potentially giving us an additional look (dose of size) for playoff bball.

I thought it looked promising last night and I hope we continue to see Spo give it a chance. No game is gonna be a gimme, but with the abundance of home games we have coming up plus the All-Star break, it's as good a time as any to incorporate some new looks (and new players--Oladipo).
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Post#355 » by greg4012 » Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:49 pm

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dshearn wrote:
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It was decent, only +2 but I’m going to give it like 10 games before I judge it since it’s new. If Spo even goes back to it, he obviously didn’t like what he saw from yurt in the first half. We’ll see.



+2 was mostly on perimeter defense. I think 3 of those 5 possessions we got hit with 3s.

It was far from perfect, but there is something there.


That’s not how it works though and there’s a reason those guys were open. The defense as a unit was a step slow, that’s not just on the perimeter, especially considering we switch everything.


I agree--but I think we need to give it more time. There have been plenty of instances where it takes players in a new lineup some time to get comfortable with rotations and really be locked in on that end. Plus, it usually takes Yurt a few minutes to get settled into a game when he hasn't played for a while (he is a rookie)

In theory, there's little reason that a lineup with Bam and Yurt should be any worse defensively than any lineup with Yurt that we saw in Bam's absence (when Yurt was starting). Unless we think that Bam is incapable of switching and rotating on the perimeter (from my vantage point he may be the best on our team at it). Spo may need to continue to refine Yurt's defensive role when he's in (drop/paint defender).
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Post#356 » by Hallstar » Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:06 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:It will never happen but damn Trent jr would be the perfect Duncan replacement. Like put him in the starting unit and it’s crazy how much better we’d. He’d be our 4th best player, he’s a better overall player than Herro. Yea I said it.

you say a lot of things lol
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Post#357 » by RexBoyWonder » Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:22 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:It will never happen but damn Trent jr would be the perfect Duncan replacement. Like put him in the starting unit and it’s crazy how much better we’d. He’d be our 4th best player, he’s a better overall player than Herro. Yea I said it.


I still think we missed an opportunity to really upgrade the roster, the move to make was Duncan + Assets for a better 2 way player that can hit 3's but won't be as one dimensional.
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Post#358 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:38 pm

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+2 was mostly on perimeter defense. I think 3 of those 5 possessions we got hit with 3s.

It was far from perfect, but there is something there.


That’s not how it works though and there’s a reason those guys were open. The defense as a unit was a step slow, that’s not just on the perimeter, especially considering we switch everything.


I agree--but I think we need to give it more time. There have been plenty of instances where it takes players in a new lineup some time to get comfortable with rotations and really be locked in on that end. Plus, it usually takes Yurt a few minutes to get settled into a game when he hasn't played for a while (he is a rookie)

In theory, there's little reason that a lineup with Bam and Yurt should be any worse defensively than any lineup with Yurt that we saw in Bam's absence (when Yurt was starting). Unless we think that Bam is incapable of switching and rotating on the perimeter (from my vantage point he may be the best on our team at it). Spo may need to continue to refine Yurt's defensive role when he's in (drop/paint defender).


Yea for sure, I’m hoping we can see it more. I’m holding judgment until we get a good look at it. I’m not against the pairing at all
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Post#359 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:39 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:It will never happen but damn Trent jr would be the perfect Duncan replacement. Like put him in the starting unit and it’s crazy how much better we’d. He’d be our 4th best player, he’s a better overall player than Herro. Yea I said it.


I still think we missed an opportunity to really upgrade the roster, the move to make was Duncan + Assets for a better 2 way player that can hit 3's but won't be as one dimensional.


I agree, maybe there’s a bigger plan we just don’t know if right now and didn’t want to use the assets for
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Post#360 » by SoFlaKingReal » Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:41 pm

Great game by our top 3 guys last night....thats what we NEED

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