Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 2.0

[DayofMourning]

Lavine to the Sixers sounds good to this untrained eye. Is there a deal there?

[dshearn]

Do you guys think we saw our worst game (so far) from JJJ against Chicago? I know he got hit with some ticky-tack fouls...but in general not as good as some others.

Even with that game, I think we starting to see some really neat stuff getting worked on. We had a couple of sets with Duncan and JJJ crashing down and dishing the ball out. Duncan ended up with 7 assists...but dang man...on a night were every chip shot is not missed under the basket they probably share 15ish assists.

I know it failed badly tonight, but there is the making of some really...realllllly.....pretty basketball. They had some very clean looks tonight.

Once we get our Herro-Bam connection back, There is going to be some really neat stuff in-between the Jimmy Iso on the right side stuff.

[gom]

Do you guys think we saw our worst game (so far) from JJJ against Chicago? I know he got hit with some ticky-tack fouls...but in general not as good as some others.

Even with that game, I think we starting to see some really neat stuff getting worked on. We had a couple of sets with Duncan and JJJ crashing down and dishing the ball out. Duncan ended up with 7 assists...but dang man...on a night were every chip shot is not missed under the basket they probably share 15ish assists.

I know it failed badly tonight, but there is the making of some really...realllllly.....pretty basketball. They had some very clean looks tonight.

Once we get our Herro-Bam connection back, There is going to be some really neat stuff in-between the Jimmy Iso on the right side stuff.

Our offense really got stagnant at the end and the defense was poor too. Vucevic and Derozan were strong in the 4Q. You have to wonder why we got away from Bam. That seemed the path.

[3ballbomber]

I dunno about the Lavine stuff....

I am no stat guru or anything like that, but looking at his numbers... he seems expensive for what he does, doesn't fix the PG issue nor provide a ton of defense. On top of all that in the last 8 years he only has one season he was more available then Tyler Herro....something we like to complain about a bunch.

I get wanting to get something out of the Lowery money, and trying to flip Martin while we can...but dropping Martin, jovic, Bryant and a pick seems expensive.

I probably just don't understand Lavine all that well. Are we talking our 4th option on offense? Does he do something great on defense that you can't see in stats?

You understand him just fine. You don't want to give up all that future talent + a pick for a player like him. It's not a Miami type, long term decision.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Offensive rating by quarter:

1st: 116
2nd: 108
3rd: 117
4th: 101

The hero ball BS has to stop in the regular season. It doesn’t work until Jimmy is fully engaged.

[AirP.]

You don't give up Herro for LaVine. I personally don't believe Herro (nor LaVine) will ever be dominate enough on offense to warrant his role or his lack of defense but he's the best asset Miami has right now.

You trade Herro if you are definitely upgrading to an outside scorer who should be able to get his points with nearly most good defenders guarding them... or in my opinion, you try to trade Herro for a vet you know Miami could/would start and a young talented player on a rookie contract that you feel can be a core player in a year or 2. I'd look at something for an example like a package built around Herro for say a package built around Bogdanovic and Ivey, I'm not saying those 2 but something like that, a high level lottery pick on a rookie deal that's fallen out of favor and someone we know Miami could utilize greatly.

Miami could just use a tweak like adding a cheaper guy like Royce O'Neal or someone like DFS from Brooklyn. Herro doesn't have to be moved but I would like to see his role changed to something more likely to be utilized in the playoffs.

[DayofMourning]

You don't give up Herro for LaVine. I personally don't believe Herro will ever be dominate enough on offense to warrant his role or his lack of defense but he's the best asset Miami has right now.

You trade Herro if you are definitely upgrading to an outside scorer who should be able to get his points with nearly most good defenders guarding them... or in my opinion, you try to trade Herro for a vet you know Miami could/would start and a young talented player on a rookie contract that you feel can be a core player in a year or 2. I'd look at something for an example like a package built around Herro for say a package built around Bogdanovic and Ivey, I'm not saying those 2 but something like that, a high level lottery pick on a rookie deal that's fallen out of favor and someone we know Miami could utilize greatly.

Miami could just use a tweak like adding a cheaper guy like Royce O'Neal or someone like DFS from Brooklyn. Herro doesn't have to be moved but I would like to see his role changed to something more likely to be utilized in the playoffs.

Id love to see the Heat get their hands on Ivey.

[SerialChiller]

JJJ ranked the #7 rookie so far by Pelton and Marks over on the ESPN rookie power rankings

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/38898270/nba-rookie-power-rankings-chet-wemby

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[Pokuokic]

The Warriors could use Thomas Byrant imo if he's already out of the Heat rotation.

[RexBoyWonder]

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Cain had a monster game to I don't think Peterson got enough looks or playing time he looked good in SL to me.

[AirP.]

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[AirP.]

Can’t play with your food and go away what built you the lead. They can’t seem to get that simple thing through their heads.

I saw someone say that was a scheduled loss for us, how?!

I didn't like what I saw, it was Jimmy dominating the ball and ISO every time down the court, and pick and roll with Jimmy to get him the switch he wanted as the seconds kept coming off the board. Dumb half court offense that goes against everything we did in the first 2-1/2 quarters. Jimmy was scoring, as needed and proportionate to what the other team was giving him. Then he decided that he wanted his number and iced the entire team out going for his numbers. Bam was literally eating bbq nuggets on the whole Chicago squad were he was getting doubled and tripled teamed, meaning he was getting team mates wide open looks. Then we relegated Bam to a screening big that didn't even roll cause he wasn't getting the ball. Frankly that is what is upsetting to me, like never have I seen when Jimmy is cooking and killing a team anybody and suddenly him being frozen out for 12 minutes straight. I guess Bam is still not at a level where he is like listen Jimmy im the guy who has the advantage this game, let me control the offense, I promise youll eat off my result additionally.

Offensive rating by quarter this season:

1st - 116
2nd - 108
3rd - 117
4th - 101

Just terrible 4th quarter play. Slow stagnant dribble the air out of the ball offense. Very predictable offense

Note... it is a small sample size of only 13 games.

Decided to check the 4th quarters with Herro


Vs the 4th quarters without Herro


Grabbed this also, everyone so far in the 4th quarter for the first 13 games.

[KingDavid]

I didn't like what I saw, it was Jimmy dominating the ball and ISO every time down the court, and pick and roll with Jimmy to get him the switch he wanted as the seconds kept coming off the board. Dumb half court offense that goes against everything we did in the first 2-1/2 quarters. Jimmy was scoring, as needed and proportionate to what the other team was giving him. Then he decided that he wanted his number and iced the entire team out going for his numbers. Bam was literally eating bbq nuggets on the whole Chicago squad were he was getting doubled and tripled teamed, meaning he was getting team mates wide open looks. Then we relegated Bam to a screening big that didn't even roll cause he wasn't getting the ball. Frankly that is what is upsetting to me, like never have I seen when Jimmy is cooking and killing a team anybody and suddenly him being frozen out for 12 minutes straight. I guess Bam is still not at a level where he is like listen Jimmy im the guy who has the advantage this game, let me control the offense, I promise youll eat off my result additionally.

Offensive rating by quarter this season:

1st - 116
2nd - 108
3rd - 117
4th - 101

Just terrible 4th quarter play. Slow stagnant dribble the air out of the ball offense. Very predictable offense

Note... it is a small sample size of only 13 games.

Decided to check the 4th quarters with Herro


Vs the 4th quarters without Herro


Grabbed this also, everyone so far in the 4th quarter for the first 13 games.

If I'm understanding these stats correctly, we're better with Herro? Because that's what I suspected. Hopefully he can fit back in with all the great ball movement we've been having. But correct me if I'm wrong.

[AirP.]

Note... it is a small sample size of only 13 games.

Decided to check the 4th quarters with Herro


Vs the 4th quarters without Herro


Grabbed this also, everyone so far in the 4th quarter for the first 13 games.

If I'm understanding these stats correctly, we're better with Herro? Because that's what I suspected. Hopefully he can fit back in with all the great ball movement we've been having. But correct me if I'm wrong.

Miami's been nearly 4 points better in the 4th without him, notice the -6.3 with Herro and the -1.7 without him which is still bad.

Small sample size.

[VaDe255]

Note... it is a small sample size of only 13 games.

Decided to check the 4th quarters with Herro


Vs the 4th quarters without Herro


Grabbed this also, everyone so far in the 4th quarter for the first 13 games.

If I'm understanding these stats correctly, we're better with Herro? Because that's what I suspected. Hopefully he can fit back in with all the great ball movement we've been having. But correct me if I'm wrong.

Miami's been nearly 4 points better in the 4th without him, notice the -6.3 with Herro and the -1.7 without him which is still bad.

Small sample size.

This is totally pointless, the sample size isn't even close to have any meaning.

[AirP.]

This is totally pointless, the sample size isn't even close to have any meaning.

It has some meaning, just not much. It does somewhat dispel that just going back to Herro will fix the issues, it could but maybe adding him into the mix and not dominating the ball would be better although I don't think that's on Herro's mind of how to play. At the very least, there is a pattern starting to take shape of Miami's winnning based on Herro in the starting lineup and Herro not in the starting lineup. I'd be ok with seeing him as a scoring 6th man again but that salary kinda dictates he won't, he's not a past his prime guy like Lowry, he's supposedly has his best years ahead of him.

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This is an interesting dynamic, players who believe they are great feel that they play up to their greatness and it's up to the coach and FO to put the right players around them to win. I happen to think Herro is a solid scorer but I don't think he's good enough to dominate the ball/shots to get into his grove while everyone else gets out of theirs, I'd really like to see him be more off ball and take more 3s than 2s. I expected Herro with a large contract had zero to lose by staring to jack even more shots and boy did he, with him going out with only 4 shots in 8 minutes his last game, he dropped his FGA from 21+ FGA to averaging 19.

I hope this year he can stay healthy for the playoffs and Miami getting past the 1st round, need to see what he can do against playoff defenses past the first round.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I didn't like what I saw, it was Jimmy dominating the ball and ISO every time down the court, and pick and roll with Jimmy to get him the switch he wanted as the seconds kept coming off the board. Dumb half court offense that goes against everything we did in the first 2-1/2 quarters. Jimmy was scoring, as needed and proportionate to what the other team was giving him. Then he decided that he wanted his number and iced the entire team out going for his numbers. Bam was literally eating bbq nuggets on the whole Chicago squad were he was getting doubled and tripled teamed, meaning he was getting team mates wide open looks. Then we relegated Bam to a screening big that didn't even roll cause he wasn't getting the ball. Frankly that is what is upsetting to me, like never have I seen when Jimmy is cooking and killing a team anybody and suddenly him being frozen out for 12 minutes straight. I guess Bam is still not at a level where he is like listen Jimmy im the guy who has the advantage this game, let me control the offense, I promise youll eat off my result additionally.

Offensive rating by quarter this season:

1st - 116
2nd - 108
3rd - 117
4th - 101

Just terrible 4th quarter play. Slow stagnant dribble the air out of the ball offense. Very predictable offense

Note... it is a small sample size of only 13 games.

Decided to check the 4th quarters with Herro


Vs the 4th quarters without Herro


Grabbed this also, everyone so far in the 4th quarter for the first 13 games.

We suck in the 4th quarter when the offense stalls and we start playing hero ball confirmed