2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 1

[twix2500]

The shot distribution in the Knicks game when the starters are together

Tyler Herro - 8 fga
Terry Rozier - 6 fga
Jimmy Butler - 4 fga
Bam Adebayo - 3 fga
Nikola Jovic - 3 fga

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The shot distribution in the Knicks game when the starters are together

Tyler Herro - 8 fga
Terry Rozier - 6 fga
Jimmy Butler - 4 fga
Bam Adebayo - 3 fga
Nikola Jovic - 3 fga

Sure, those 4 shots of Butler's with the starters were all in the last 6:15 of the game. So, almost in the full first 3 1/2 quarters Butler took zero FGA with the starters. 0 of his 4 FTs were with the starters also. Having 2 volume scorers as Miami's starting backcourt is probably the problem and more specifically Rozier.

Much as I expected, this offense is helping Herro and Rozier, both have very good efficiency but it's hurting nearly everyone else. This type of offense feels like what Spoelstra has wanted to go to for a long time with his preference of combo guards (converted SGs to PGs) vs more pure PGs.

[Kobewade11]

Lets look at the field goal attempts averages of 1st and 3rd quarter in the last four games when the starters are on the court the most. Who is the offense being run through when the starters are together?

1st quarter
Tyler Herro - 8 pts, 5 fga
Nikola Jovic - 5.5 pts, 3.5 fga
Terry Rozier - 4.3 pts, 3.3 fga
Jimmy Butler - 1.3 pts, 2 fga
Bam Adebayo - 1.5 pts, 1.5 fga

3rd quarter
Tyler Herro - 3.3 pts, 5.5 fga
Terry Rozier - 3.3 pts, 4.0 fga
Bam Adebayo - 4.0 pts, 3.0 fga
Jimmy Butler - 2.5 pts, 1.8 fga
Nikola Jovic - 1 pts, 2.5 fga

I'd be interested to see these figures paired with game tape. Then we could see who is touching the ball when, are they looking to pass as soon as they get it, is there an opportunity to drive or for an open shot, etc. fga will only tell part of the story. Here are some numbers I found interesting on touches, now this is per game but if possible I'd love to see it on a quarter level alongside film + the numbers you shared to put this altogether

this is touches per game with the core 4:
Rozier 68.0
Herro 59.5
Jimmy 56.8
Bam 51.5

avg sec per touch:
Rozier 4.15
Jimmy 4.09
Herro 3.61
Bam 2.61

avg dribble per touch:
Rozier 3.66
Herro 3.06
Jimmy 2.92
Bam 1.5

[twix2500]

The shot distribution in the Knicks game when the starters are together

Tyler Herro - 8 fga
Terry Rozier - 6 fga
Jimmy Butler - 4 fga
Bam Adebayo - 3 fga
Nikola Jovic - 3 fga

Sure, those 4 shots of Butler's with the starters were all in the last 6:15 of the game. So, almost in the full first 3 1/2 quarters Butler took zero FGA with the starters. 0 of his 4 FTs were with the starters also. Having 2 volume scorers as Miami's starting backcourt is probably the problem and more specifically Rozier.

Much as I expected, this offense is helping Herro and Rozier, both have very good efficiency but it's hurting nearly everyone else. This type of offense feels like what Spoelstra has wanted to go to for a long time with his preference of combo guards (converted SGs to PGs) vs more pure PGs.

You are close.
The closing unit in the Knicks game was the starters I think for the first time.

Jimmy Butler - 4 pts, 3 fga
Tyler Herro - 3 pts, 2 fga
Terry Rozier - 3 pts, 2 fga
Bam Adebayo - 1 pts, 1 fga
Nikola Jovic - 0 pts, 0 fg

[AirP.]

Spoiler:

Lets look at the field goal attempts averages of 1st and 3rd quarter in the last four games when the starters are on the court the most. Who is the offense being run through when the starters are together?

1st quarter
Tyler Herro - 8 pts, 5 fga
Nikola Jovic - 5.5 pts, 3.5 fga
Terry Rozier - 4.3 pts, 3.3 fga
Jimmy Butler - 1.3 pts, 2 fga
Bam Adebayo - 1.5 pts, 1.5 fga

3rd quarter
Tyler Herro - 3.3 pts, 5.5 fga
Terry Rozier - 3.3 pts, 4.0 fga
Bam Adebayo - 4.0 pts, 3.0 fga
Jimmy Butler - 2.5 pts, 1.8 fga
Nikola Jovic - 1 pts, 2.5 fga

I'd be interested to see these figures paired with game tape. Then we could see who is touching the ball when, are they looking to pass as soon as they get it, is there an opportunity to drive or for an open shot, etc. fga will only tell part of the story. Here are some numbers I found interesting on touches, now this is per game but if possible I'd love to see it on a quarter level alongside film + the numbers you shared to put this altogether

this is touches per game with the core 4:
Rozier 68.0
Herro 59.5
Jimmy 56.8
Bam 51.5

avg sec per touch:
Rozier 4.15
Jimmy 4.09
Herro 3.61
Bam 2.61

avg dribble per touch:
Rozier 3.66
Herro 3.06
Jimmy 2.92
Bam 1.5

I guess I need to really work on getting playbyplay stats so I can get this info.

Trying to get some type of data, I looked at just the 1st quarter since the starters play together most of that quarter with Butler usually playing with the backups.

FGA 1st quarter
Herro 5 FGA
Rozier 3.3 FGA
Butler 2.0 FGA (3 out of the 8 FGA came in the first 2 minutes of the Orlando game, so 5 in the 1st in 3 other games)
Bam 1.3 FGA

It's still early.

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[twix2500]

Lets look at the field goal attempts averages of 1st and 3rd quarter in the last four games when the starters are on the court the most. Who is the offense being run through when the starters are together?

1st quarter
Tyler Herro - 8 pts, 5 fga
Nikola Jovic - 5.5 pts, 3.5 fga
Terry Rozier - 4.3 pts, 3.3 fga
Jimmy Butler - 1.3 pts, 2 fga
Bam Adebayo - 1.5 pts, 1.5 fga

3rd quarter
Tyler Herro - 3.3 pts, 5.5 fga
Terry Rozier - 3.3 pts, 4.0 fga
Bam Adebayo - 4.0 pts, 3.0 fga
Jimmy Butler - 2.5 pts, 1.8 fga
Nikola Jovic - 1 pts, 2.5 fga

I'd be interested to see these figures paired with game tape. Then we could see who is touching the ball when, are they looking to pass as soon as they get it, is there an opportunity to drive or for an open shot, etc. fga will only tell part of the story. Here are some numbers I found interesting on touches, now this is per game but if possible I'd love to see it on a quarter level alongside film + the numbers you shared to put this altogether

this is touches per game with the core 4:
Rozier 68.0
Herro 59.5
Jimmy 56.8
Bam 51.5

avg sec per touch:
Rozier 4.15
Jimmy 4.09
Herro 3.61
Bam 2.61

avg dribble per touch:
Rozier 3.66
Herro 3.06
Jimmy 2.92
Bam 1.5

I thought about making a game tape, but I thought it would a lot of work but no one would really care enough to do that amount of work. lol. I might do it after 5 games.

But I can surely do it. I watched much of it already

[batterybro42]

Bam is 27 right in the middle of his prime

Starting to think I might be out on him in the 26 window as well. We really could just reset the entire deal and empty out all the cap space and have Jamie/Ware with 3 max slots.

I think it is time to rebuild this thing

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If we were going to trade with Milwaukee, I would just be thinking, Bam can't go, Jimmy they would not want, so it is everything else. Also makes little sense for Milwaukee to keep Lillard.

Heat:
Giannis Antetokounmpo - $48,787,676
Damian Lillard - $48,787,676

Bucks:
Tyler Herro - $29,000,000
Terry Rozier - $24,924,126
Duncan Robinson - $19,406,000
Haywood Highsmith - $5,200,000
Kel'el Ware - $4,231,800
Jaime Jaquez Jr - $3,685,800
Nikola Jovic - $2,464,200
Pelle Larsson - $1,157,153
All our picks and pick swaps.

Pretty close on salary, but give up a lot of shooting that would make sense with Giannis.

Heat fans will say a big 4 of Jimmy Bam Giannis Dame makes us worse

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[dolphinatik]

So far Dru Smith has looked very good on defense snatching anything in his way. He needs to watch some Andre Miller film and figure out a consistent shot. A solid midrange and floater would make him a keeper.

[twix2500]

So far Dru Smith has looked very good on defense snatching anything in his way. He needs to watch some Andre Miller film and figure out a consistent shot. A solid midrange and floater would make him a keeper.

Dru foot is not right, he has no power. He is not running fast nor stop and cut, or exploded on his leg.

[Pokuokic]

The shot distribution in the Knicks game when the starters are together

Tyler Herro - 8 fga
Terry Rozier - 6 fga
Jimmy Butler - 4 fga
Bam Adebayo - 3 fga
Nikola Jovic - 3 fga

Bam/Jimmy are not aggressive which is forcing the low IQ backcourt into shooting (Herro who I was disgusted by in the playoffs last year is playing well he's not the problem atm ). Bam has no confidence atm and is not getting spoon feed so when he catches it he just holds the ball, pretends he's going to do something or try foul baiting and Jimmy when he gets it drives for the pass rather than to score.

The passiveness of Bam and Jimmy is forcing the lesser players to have to do more/step up while I can't like Charlotte Terry its being forced on him to be that through cuck basketball. There's just way to many excuses for Jimmy/Bam they either need to be aggressive or traded.

[unowen85]

I’m gonna look on the bright side and hope that Spo is actively trying to increase usage of Terro and decrease usage of Jimmy/Bam to start the season and then move towards balancing them into perfect synergy as season moves forward.

[al bondiga]

To all the posters in this forum... Don't get Caught up in the "numbers game", you will go crazy.

[Beenie]

Dame, Bam , Herro is a play in team at best. Bucks are not gonna make a move that makes them average or below average. If they move Giannis they go to tank mode.

Whether Milwaukee would even want Bam we can debate, and whether a potential trade with Mil would involve other team(s) whom Bam could be sent to facilitate a complex trade is secondary to my central point.

The question I have for you is do you think Mia should make Bam available in a trade that lands them Giannis?

Bam can't even be traded this year

I forgot.

Makes the idea moot I suppose

For argument sake, I’d like to know how many people in here would hypothetically support Mia trading Bam (if they were able to) in exchange for Giannis and how many people would be against it.

[Bmaster]

Whether Milwaukee would even want Bam we can debate, and whether a potential trade with Mil would involve other team(s) whom Bam could be sent to facilitate a complex trade is secondary to my central point.

The question I have for you is do you think Mia should make Bam available in a trade that lands them Giannis?

Bam can't even be traded this year

I forgot.

Makes the idea moot I suppose

For argument sake, I’d like to know how many people in here would hypothetically support Mia trading Bam (if they were able to) in exchange for Giannis and how many people would be against it.

I would do that trade. Bam never going to be giannis type player. He is very good but doesn't have outside shooting like giannis has. Also with this move it allows the heat to play ware as starting center. Something they did not try in preseason with bam on floor Also if this happened would trade Jimmy butler too for younger players.

[Flash4thewin]

The shot distribution in the Knicks game when the starters are together

Tyler Herro - 8 fga
Terry Rozier - 6 fga
Jimmy Butler - 4 fga
Bam Adebayo - 3 fga
Nikola Jovic - 3 fga

Bam/Jimmy are not aggressive which is forcing the low IQ backcourt into shooting (Herro who I was disgusted by in the playoffs last year is playing well he's not the problem atm ). Bam has no confidence atm and is not getting spoon feed so when he catches it he just holds the ball, pretends he's going to do something or try foul baiting and Jimmy when he gets it drives for the pass rather than to score.

The passiveness of Bam and Jimmy is forcing the lesser players to have to do more/step up while I can't like Charlotte Terry its being forced on him to be that through cuck basketball. There's just way to many excuses for Jimmy/Bam they either need to be aggressive or traded.

Didn’t Herro single handily win us our only game of the playoffs last year?

Personally I would just nuke this team but that’s not the direction this front office wants. Also it’s kinda comical we are missing the big picture. Our front office wants Herro and Terry to do well so their trade value increases and are thus traded, that’s not a bad plan. The composition of this team if it stays the same needs Herro and Terry to be scorers and hope Jimmy does his Superman impersonation in the playoffs. It needs Bam to be the defensive anchor not a scorer, that’s what he is. Having Bam become a scorer at the expense of his defense destroys his value to this current team. With different personnel Bam and scoring might be needed more but right now his true value is in his defense to this version of the team.

[twix2500]

Whatever scheme changes are made. These are the areas that need to be improved with those changes