2025 Offseason Thread Vol.4

Post #341 » by **DayofMourning** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:27 pm

Does the Randle deal lower the expectations of Herros next contract?

Kobewade11 · Post #342 » by **Kobewade11** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:31 pm

twix2500 wrote:
NAW its a interesting one. I would assume the interest in NAW is to how he fits with Jakucionis and Herro. I havent really study NAW game so its hard for me to say. Collins I think there is little interest in him. Collins I know for a fact has been desperate wanting to come home and play for the Heat. So all the Collins rumors I believe it comes from his agent. Collins would bring some veteran experience to the front court for Bam. As of right now Bam doesnt have any veteran to play with.

He was dying to get drafted here. I just don't buy the Jake Fischer report. I mean sure I'll take JC for Rozier and a pick swap, but that would mean (1) breaking up the Bam/Ware starting front court, or (2) paying Collins 27 million to come off the bench and (3) Collins being cool with that role in a contract year. I just can't see any of the 3 happening.

contract · Post #343 » by **contract** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:41 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:Why are we targeting supporting players when we don't have any main guys to support?

CrossOver · Post #344 » by **CrossOver** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:43 pm

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Vertical Limit · Post #345 » by **Vertical Limit** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:47 pm

DayofMourning wrote:Does the Randle deal lower the expectations of Herros next contract?

Who knows, we can revisit that subject in 2027 when herro is a free agent.. giving him an extension this year or next is straight up lunacy and only **** franchises like the Wizards would do that.

Lennyzinho · Post #346 » by **Lennyzinho** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:50 pm

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If we could land Collins for rozier and a SRP swap... i mean Id think that deal would have been done by now. Doesnt get any cheaper of an asking price than that. Ainge wants his tank commander.

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #347 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:50 pm

Collins, Derozan, Beal post buyout, and one other MLE signing, The Godfather is working overtime this summer

EMC5466 · Post #348 » by **EMC5466** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:53 pm

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fincane30 · Post #349 » by **fincane30** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:54 pm

SerialChiller wrote:
fincane30 wrote:
SerialChiller wrote:
Exactly, guys like that are only useful if you have Jimmy or Durant already and are going all in. We obviously aren't so lets forget about that kind of stuff for now. Have a developmental year where we also own our own pick and have clean books to then go and resume star hunting again next offseason.

Well John Collins is an expiring. So he wouldn't be messing up any books. And it is in the Heat's best interest to be competent this season if star chasing is in the plans. Stars don't join bad teams. You can't swap out your entire roster so guys have to play well enough to attract a hypothetical star. Being an absolute dumpster isn't gonna cut it. One of the reasons Kevin Durant and subsequently Kyrie Irving chose the Nets is because they saw a team with guys who finished above .500 the year before and made the playoffs. And with the prospect of a star reaching FA unlikely you're probably using that 2026 pick in the star trade anyway. Likely something close to the KD trade. Where it couldn't become official until the new league year.

He'd still likely be taking away minutes from guys like Jovic, Ware, and Goldin and for what to make another playin and miss out on the lotto? I think stars will join a Miami Heat team that has a plan, lately we've been directionless and trying to straddle the line between going all in around an aging star and developing young players. We accomplished neither. Develop the young guys, and get a high lotto pick to trade or use. Then worry about a star and complimentary pieces aside from Bam, Herro and the youth.

Goldin is a 24 year old two-way who may not make it out of summer league with that two way. They shouldn't and won't be taking his playing time into consideration. And if it means clearing the backcourt of Terry Rozier I'm making that trade for Collins. John Collins didn't keep the Jazz from missing the play-in. He won't be that difference in Miami. And IF they are in on Kuminga they don't have their eyes set on avoiding the play-in and falling into the lottery so this is all a moot point. We're more likely to make a run trying to be the Pacers than everyone's dream scenario of trading for a star actually coming to fruition.

Frankly the whole thing is tiring. From the fanbase to the Miami media pushing the narrative. Throw in the organization entertaining it as well. Every conversation devolves into what helps us best to be in position to trade for a star. And when is the last time a star at the time of the trade resulted in anything? AD in 2020? And he joined LeBron. No star is coming to save us. The roster needs to show they have life. Not that they need to be thrown a life preserver. There is no one way to build a contender.

inhabitMiami · Post #350 » by **inhabitMiami** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:57 pm

You have people in here still clinging to the delusional hope that this team will not try to make the playoffs.

It will never happen. Let it go. Shift your perspective to how this team can improve, no matter how minimally. Hoping for the team to make moves to get worse is not going to happen.

If you can get Collins for cheap that is a great move. Don't be ridiculous.

lastb1ckman · Post #351 » by **lastb1ckman** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 9:01 pm

Lennyzinho wrote:
EMC5466 wrote:

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If we could land Collins for rozier and a SRP swap... i mean Id think that deal would have been done by now. Doesnt get any cheaper of an asking price than that. Ainge wants his tank commander.

Oh man, thats another name people tried to say was better than Bam back in the day. (Hawks fans mostly). He must have really fallen off if he could be gotten that cheap.

twix2500 · Post #352 » by **twix2500** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 9:02 pm

Michael Doleac wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:
Why are we targeting supporting players when we don't have any main guys to support?

My thoughts exactly!

You have to build around somebody. You can't just add a bunch of uncomplementary pieces regardless how good they are individually.

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SoFlaKingReal · Post #353 » by **SoFlaKingReal** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 9:03 pm

John Collins is from West Palm Beach so I’m sure he’d love to be here.

SoFlaKingReal · Post #354 » by **SoFlaKingReal** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 9:05 pm

twix2500 wrote:
Michael Doleac wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:
Why are we targeting supporting players when we don't have any main guys to support?

My thoughts exactly!
You have to build around somebody. You can't just add a bunch of uncomplementary pieces regardless how good they are individually.

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They are building around Bam. Last year they drafted a center to ease the front court burden off Bam. This year they got the big PG to help get Bam easier looks. All while hoping a star becomes available that they can pair with Bam.

inhabitMiami · Post #355 » by **inhabitMiami** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 9:06 pm

The point of "star chasing" is to improve (cheaply) around the margins so you have a team ready to receive them. That is the point of "targeting supporting players."

MiamiLoyal926 · Post #356 » by **MiamiLoyal926** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 9:06 pm

So do we rather Rui or Collins? Both will eat into PF minutes, thus Jovic.

EMC5466 · Post #357 » by **EMC5466** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 9:09 pm

Ethan Skolnick is an idiot.

inhabitMiami · Post #358 » by **inhabitMiami** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 9:09 pm

MiamiLoyal926 wrote:So do we rather Rui or Collins? Both will eat into PF minutes, thus Jovic.

Jovic won't take a meaningful step until he takes on almost a purely wing role. I don't see much growth for him as a big beyond a stretch 4 who can be a connector on offense. Much better for him to take minutes at the 3 spot where he still has a ton of room for growth. Just my 2c

vagelis · Post #359 » by **vagelis** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 9:11 pm

lastb1ckman wrote:
Lennyzinho wrote:
EMC5466 wrote:

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If we could land Collins for rozier and a SRP swap... i mean Id think that deal would have been done by now. Doesnt get any cheaper of an asking price than that. Ainge wants his tank commander.

Oh man, thats another name people tried to say was better than Bam back in the day. (Hawks fans mostly). He must have really fallen off if he could be gotten that cheap.

If Miami gets Collins then it is likely Adebayo or Ware is traded.
Don't see a reason to trade for 25m Collins to come of the bench

MiamiLoyal926 · Post #360 » by **MiamiLoyal926** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 9:12 pm

inhabitMiami wrote:
MiamiLoyal926 wrote:So do we rather Rui or Collins? Both will eat into PF minutes, thus Jovic.

Jovic won't take a meaningful step until he takes on almost a purely wing role. I don't see much growth for him as a big beyond a stretch 4 who can be a connector on offense. Much better for him to take minutes at the 3 spot where he still has a ton of room for growth. Just my 2c

Fair enough… so have him study Durant…. I can see that. So assuming our next star plays the 3, and we are building around the edges for that star, does that mean Jovic is a second unit player? And so is Rui or Collins?