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Official HEAT 2015-16 Regular Season Thread - Vol. II

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Re: Official HEAT 2015-16 Regular Season Thread - Vol. II 

Post#361 » by Bishop45 » Mon Feb 8, 2016 3:47 pm

Higher volume would make us a better 3pt team but it's not really their game's
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Post#362 » by Dmcdani6 » Mon Feb 8, 2016 3:48 pm

Havent watched the game yet, although people sounding like they lost a loved one over this lost. Weve still won 6 out of 8, right?? Really on board w/ Johnson, just as someone said earlier, Heat just need that ONE piece, and im starting to believe more and more that he MIGHT be it. Can knock down shots, pass out, create. Still think the team is made well, just need a 3-pt shooter or two and were good, no worries.
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Re: Official HEAT 2015-16 Regular Season Thread - Vol. II 

Post#363 » by dancing2thabeet » Mon Feb 8, 2016 4:02 pm

Yeah. Clips did play bad but they're still a good team and are above average playing away. We'll be alright in the long run as long as we add a shooter. Green isn't cutting it.
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Re: Official HEAT 2015-16 Regular Season Thread - Vol. II 

Post#364 » by smartcane » Mon Feb 8, 2016 4:13 pm

Bishop45 wrote:Higher volume would make us a better 3pt team but it's not really their game's



This is what i have been trying to say as well but the lazy journalist keep fixating on 3 point shooting because it is in style now and and uninformed fans just lock on to it.
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Post#365 » by contract » Mon Feb 8, 2016 4:20 pm

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Re: Official HEAT 2015-16 Regular Season Thread - Vol. II 

Post#366 » by smartcane » Mon Feb 8, 2016 4:21 pm

QUIZ wrote:Bosh has struggled from 3 in 2016. Up until December 29 he was shooting 40.6% from 3. Since then he's shooting 30% from 3. Though his scoring has picked up by about 2ppg and his TS% has still been relatively high, 56.5% as opposed to 58.3% prior to 2016.


The problem is that before teams where just leaving him open and daring him to shoot it. They were not even running at him but with him shooting 40% teams have started respecting it more and now he has more contested 3s. That is why in the past couple games he has had some blow by drives when they run at him. He has to adjust mentally to the increase attention.
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Post#367 » by contract » Mon Feb 8, 2016 4:26 pm

dancing2thabeet wrote:Yeah. Clips did play bad but they're still a good team and are above average playing away. We'll be alright in the long run as long as we add a shooter. Green isn't cutting it.

We still need to dump salary. It's hard to add talent while shedding salary when you have nothing to trade but contracts.
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Post#368 » by RexBoyWonder » Mon Feb 8, 2016 4:45 pm

Bishop45 wrote:Higher volume would make us a better 3pt team but it's not really their game's


This.

But higher volume IS part of the solution. (and that's part of why guys like Klay are shooting this well).

Any shooter that played at any level (above high Scholl) will tell this simple truth - the more you shot the better you shot. Especially from 3.

It's all about rhythm, confidence, feeling free and even encouraged to shot. It makes a big difference in your %.

MUCH easier being a 40% shooter from 3 on 5-6 attempts per game then on 1-2 attempts per game.

With that said, with our current rotation, better shooters also need to be part of the solution.
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Post#369 » by twix2500 » Mon Feb 8, 2016 4:47 pm

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Bishop45 wrote:Higher volume would make us a better 3pt team but it's not really their game's


This.

But higher volume IS part of the solution. (and that's part of why guys like Klay are shooting this well).

Any shooter that played in any level will yet this simple truth - the more you shot the better you shot. Especially from 3.

It's all about rhythm, confidence, feeling free and even encouraged to shot. It makes a big difference in your %.

With that said, with our current rotation, better shooters also need to be part of the solution.

If you are a shooter. In which Deng is not. Never ever been a good rhythm shooter. He always looks uncomfortable shooting.

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Post#370 » by QUIZ » Mon Feb 8, 2016 5:06 pm

Embrace the 3pt shot. Short of adding pure shooters like JJ Redick we won't improve much in that regard by adding average guys like Ariza or Thorton.

I guarantee you that Green wouldn't be a 32% 3pt shooter if he played in Portland or Houston.

I'm not saying take 30 of them a game but being bottom 3 in attempts isn't helping either. This strategy of ignoring it in favor of getting to the rim won't end well for us.

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Post#371 » by QUIZ » Mon Feb 8, 2016 5:21 pm

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Bishop45 wrote:Higher volume would make us a better 3pt team but it's not really their game's


This.

But higher volume IS part of the solution. (and that's part of why guys like Klay are shooting this well).

Any shooter that played in any level will yet this simple truth - the more you shot the better you shot. Especially from 3.

It's all about rhythm, confidence, feeling free and even encouraged to shot. It makes a big difference in your %.

With that said, with our current rotation, better shooters also need to be part of the solution.

If you are a shooter. In which Deng is not. Never ever been a good rhythm shooter. He always looks uncomfortable shooting.

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Re: Official HEAT 2015-16 Regular Season Thread - Vol. II 

Post#372 » by Bishop45 » Mon Feb 8, 2016 5:27 pm

You either hit it with high volume and ordinate efficiency or low volume with high efficiency, no inbetween.
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Post#373 » by QUIZ » Mon Feb 8, 2016 5:31 pm

IDK Bish it looks like we're determined to be the best team in the league at winning games while making less than 4 three's.

5-1 so far in those games.
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Post#374 » by Bishop45 » Mon Feb 8, 2016 5:36 pm

QUIZ wrote:IDK Bish it looks like we're determined to be the best team in the league at winning games while making less than 4 three's.

5-1 so far in those games.


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Re: Official HEAT 2015-16 Regular Season Thread - Vol. II 

Post#375 » by QUIZ » Mon Feb 8, 2016 6:13 pm

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QUIZ wrote:IDK Bish it looks like we're determined to be the best team in the league at winning games while making less than 4 three's.

5-1 so far in those games.


The goat is the only guard in the league that can still knock down 20 a night without attempting a 3 #Nobodydoin'itlikethegoat

Derozan can do that as well Bish. Wade like the entire Heat team has given up on the 3pt shot.
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Post#376 » by Bishop45 » Mon Feb 8, 2016 6:16 pm

DD attempts 2 a game, he ain't real. Him and Westbrook are frauds.
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Post#377 » by QUIZ » Mon Feb 8, 2016 6:20 pm

My original point was the we as a team need to change the way we attempt 3's. Don't focus so much on the makes or the misses. We'll have games where we go 3/14 from three. We allow whether or not the shots are falling to dictate how many three's we attempt and that is simply the wrong way to go about it.

The nature of the three point shot is that its less likely to go in than a 2pt shot. It's because of the extra point that it becomes a shot worth attempting.

Make or miss eventually things will balance themselves out.

We've added Gerald Green, Goran, plus a healthy Bosh yet we've become a worse three point shooting team than when we had 29% Rio and Henry Walker chucking them up. We're attempting less three's as well.
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Post#378 » by Bishop45 » Mon Feb 8, 2016 6:30 pm

QUIZ wrote:My original point was the we as a team need to change the way we attempt 3's. Don't focus so much on the makes or the misses. We'll have games where we go 3/14 from three. We allow whether or not the shots are falling to dictate how many three's we attempt and that is simply the wrong way to go about it.

The nature of the three point shot is that its less likely to go in than a 2pt shot. It's because of the extra point that it becomes a shot worth attempting.

Make or miss eventually things will balance themselves out.

We've added Gerald Green, Goran, plus a healthy Bosh yet we've become a worse three point shooting team than when we had 29% Rio and Henry Walker chucking them up. We're attempting less three's as well.


Yea' Quiz, definitely seems to be something fundamentally flawed here. With Goran/Bosh/Green and even an average shooter in Deng (who would probably be above average on another team) there should be enough to be an average shooting team. Seems our team is just fundamentally flawed tbh
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Post#379 » by QUIZ » Mon Feb 8, 2016 6:40 pm

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QUIZ wrote:My original point was the we as a team need to change the way we attempt 3's. Don't focus so much on the makes or the misses. We'll have games where we go 3/14 from three. We allow whether or not the shots are falling to dictate how many three's we attempt and that is simply the wrong way to go about it.

The nature of the three point shot is that its less likely to go in than a 2pt shot. It's because of the extra point that it becomes a shot worth attempting.

Make or miss eventually things will balance themselves out.

We've added Gerald Green, Goran, plus a healthy Bosh yet we've become a worse three point shooting team than when we had 29% Rio and Henry Walker chucking them up. We're attempting less three's as well.


Yea' Quiz, definitely seems to be something fundamentally flawed here. With Goran/Bosh/Green and even an average shooter in Deng (who would probably be above average on another team) there should be enough to be an average shooting team. Seems our team is just fundamentally flawed tbh


Personally I think the problem is that Wade and Bosh are old and bored. The grind of the season is tough and those guys don't always consistently bring it. LeBron is the same way in Cleveland difference if that he's still a top 3 player who can turn it on when he needs too.

I still believe that we're going to be a dangerous opponent for anybody come playoff time. During our 4 game win streak we saw that Wade can still defend at a high level problem is that he can't maintain that level of effort at this point in his career, at least over an entire season but in a seven game series vs LeBron?

Look at the East right now, the Hawks who we completely own are 4th seed and the Celtics are the 3rd seed. The Celtics have a great coach who is getting his players to give 110% every night, as a result they're overachieving like Thibs did with the Bulls when Rose was injured. Come playoff time though I strongly believe that their lack of talent will be exposed.
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Re: Official HEAT 2015-16 Regular Season Thread - Vol. II 

Post#380 » by Bishop45 » Mon Feb 8, 2016 6:48 pm

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Bishop45 wrote:
QUIZ wrote:My original point was the we as a team need to change the way we attempt 3's. Don't focus so much on the makes or the misses. We'll have games where we go 3/14 from three. We allow whether or not the shots are falling to dictate how many three's we attempt and that is simply the wrong way to go about it.

The nature of the three point shot is that its less likely to go in than a 2pt shot. It's because of the extra point that it becomes a shot worth attempting.

Make or miss eventually things will balance themselves out.

We've added Gerald Green, Goran, plus a healthy Bosh yet we've become a worse three point shooting team than when we had 29% Rio and Henry Walker chucking them up. We're attempting less three's as well.


Yea' Quiz, definitely seems to be something fundamentally flawed here. With Goran/Bosh/Green and even an average shooter in Deng (who would probably be above average on another team) there should be enough to be an average shooting team. Seems our team is just fundamentally flawed tbh


Personally I think the problem is that Wade and Bosh are old and bored. The grind of the season is tough and those guys don't always consistently bring it. LeBron is the same way in Cleveland difference if that he's still a top 3 player who can turn it on when he needs too.

I still believe that we're going to be a dangerous opponent for anybody come playoff time. During our 4 game win streak we saw that Wade can still defend at a high level problem is that he can't maintain that level of effort at this point in his career, at least over an entire season but in a seven game series vs LeBron?

Look at the East right now, the Hawks who we completely own are 4th seed and the Celtics are the 3rd seed. The Celtics have a great coach who is getting his players to give 110% every night, as a result they're overachieving like Thibs did with the Bulls when Rose was injured. Come playoff time though I strongly believe that their lack of talent will be exposed.


If we're 100% then I think we could be around top three in terms of potential in our conference, but if we're missing one or two of even our bench guys then... not so confident
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