Winslow

[orphicwhip]

Thing is, if recent play really is Justise starting to figure it out (not sold yet but one can hope), we should still be able to lock him up pretty cheap. Probably less than Rich got last offseason, something like 4/32?

If Winslow finishes the rest of the year averaging 14/15 ppg(not whole season average but March through playoffs) then he's not accepting 4/32, I could see him taking the QO and trying to get more like what Jimmy Butler did.

If we can move Whiteside or Waiters in the offseason, that would free up the cap quite a bit.

Winslow hasnt come close to playing at JRich contract even the past few games. Some of yall get WAAAY ahead of yourselves when it comes to Winslow. He has been decent he past few games. He been playing at McGruder level. Which is an improvement and its good to see. I know some of you are eager to say something positive in regards to Winslow because of all the beat down he been getting and deservedly so. I happy to see he is making open shots that teams are giving him. Sooner or later teams might start defending him, then its going to be can he score efficiently under pressure. Improvement but he has a long way to go.

All I said is that if he continues to score 14/15 a game(which is waaaaaaaaaaaaay higher than anything mcgruder has ever averaged and 14/15 ppg is literally what rich has been averaging the last 3 months.) that I don't think he would accept 4/32 and would rather take the QO. I never even said what the heat should offer so I don't know what caused you to be so quick to jump down my throat.

[Wiltside]

Thing is, if recent play really is Justise starting to figure it out (not sold yet but one can hope), we should still be able to lock him up pretty cheap. Probably less than Rich got last offseason, something like 4/32?

If Winslow finishes the rest of the year averaging 14/15 ppg(not whole season average but March through playoffs) then he's not accepting 4/32, I could see him taking the QO and trying to get more like what Jimmy Butler did.

If we can move Whiteside or Waiters in the offseason, that would free up the cap quite a bit.

Winslow hasnt come close to playing at JRich contract even the past few games. Some of yall get WAAAY ahead of yourselves when it comes to Winslow. He has been decent he past few games. He been playing at McGruder level. Which is an improvement and its good to see. I know some of you are eager to say something positive in regards to Winslow because of all the beat down he been getting and deservedly so. I happy to see he is making open shots that teams are giving him. Sooner or later teams might start defending him, then its going to be can he score efficiently under pressure. Improvement but he has a long way to go.

Do you remember J-Rich's numbers last season before he broke out in April?

Refresher on his season before then:

November (13 games): 10.9ppg, 3.1rpgm 1.8apg, 0.5bpg, 0.8spg, 28.1mpg on 39%fg.
December (11 games): 12.0ppg, 3.7rpg, 3.4apg, 0.5bpg, 0.9spg, 33.5mpg on 40%fg.
January (4 games): 10.0ppg, 3.0rpg, 4.3apg, 0.5bpg, 1.5spg, 35.5mpg on 35%fg.
February (3 games): 1.3ppg, 1.3rpg, 1.3apg, 0.0bpg, 0.0spg, 11.7mpg on 20%fg.
March (16 games): 8.2ppg, 3.3rpg, 2.5apg, 1.1bpg, 1.3spg, 29.6mpg on 38%fg.

Brutal FG and inconsistent. Safe to say he wasn't killing it at all - due to injuries and inconsistency. Sound familiar?

That was a 47 game sample size. Which is exactly the same number of games Winslow has played up until the end of February this season.

J-Rich's April showed his potential (6 games):

15.0ppg, 3.2rpg, 3.0apg, 1.5bpg, 2.3spg, 38.3mpg on 46% shooting. Very comparable to his December, January and February and March numbers from this year (we'll forget his horrible December).

Winslow's March so far (4 games):

14.3ppg, 6.8rpg, 2.5apg, 0.3bpg, 2.3spg, 32.0mpg on 54%fg (not sustainable).

We basically banked on Richardson being able to replicate his April numbers by giving him the 4/40 deal. Was looking shaky early but it's now looking like a steal.

Now, Winslow has played like 5 good games out of his last 6. I'm not ready to anoint him and say he has arrived, particularly as the bulk of this has occured while Wayne and TJ were out, but he looks a more confident player and seems to have Spo's trust. If he sustains this play through March/April/Playoffs - he could well get JRich money. As I put initially, I still had him a bit below ($8M per rather than Rich's $10m).

[rate_]

per 36 min:
16 Winslow: 8-7-2-1 | 49% TS | -0.90 RPM
17 Winslow: 11-5-4-2 | 40% TS | -3.92 RPM
18 Winslow: 11-8-3-1-1 | 49% TS | -0.16 RPM

This is his best season yet. He is starting to put it all together, but Miami needs to put the ball in his hands a bit more. In his prime he can average something like:

12-8-5-2-1 | 50% TS | (+) RPM

That would be a true productive player. May not be all star worthy, but a nice utility player that can fill the stat sheet and guard 3-4 positions; maybe an outlier efficient scoring season.

[Kobewade11]

If Winslow finishes the rest of the year averaging 14/15 ppg(not whole season average but March through playoffs) then he's not accepting 4/32, I could see him taking the QO and trying to get more like what Jimmy Butler did.

If we can move Whiteside or Waiters in the offseason, that would free up the cap quite a bit.

Winslow hasnt come close to playing at JRich contract even the past few games. Some of yall get WAAAY ahead of yourselves when it comes to Winslow. He has been decent he past few games. He been playing at McGruder level. Which is an improvement and its good to see. I know some of you are eager to say something positive in regards to Winslow because of all the beat down he been getting and deservedly so. I happy to see he is making open shots that teams are giving him. Sooner or later teams might start defending him, then its going to be can he score efficiently under pressure. Improvement but he has a long way to go.

All I said is that if he continues to score 14/15 a game(which is waaaaaaaaaaaaay higher than anything mcgruder has ever averaged and 14/15 ppg is literally what rich has been averaging the last 3 months.) that I don't think he would accept 4/32 and would rather take the QO. I never even said what the heat should offer so I don't know what caused you to be so quick to jump down my throat.

To this day I don't understand the McGruder thing. I dont know if he just has a cool nickname that endears him to heat fans or what His career high is like 15 points. Im in no way bashing him, but even today he doesn't offer the full complement of talents that Winslow does. He's strictly a pesky defender that's going to knock down the occasional 3.

[twix2500]

Winslow hasnt come close to playing at JRich contract even the past few games. Some of yall get WAAAY ahead of yourselves when it comes to Winslow. He has been decent he past few games. He been playing at McGruder level. Which is an improvement and its good to see. I know some of you are eager to say something positive in regards to Winslow because of all the beat down he been getting and deservedly so. I happy to see he is making open shots that teams are giving him. Sooner or later teams might start defending him, then its going to be can he score efficiently under pressure. Improvement but he has a long way to go.

All I said is that if he continues to score 14/15 a game(which is waaaaaaaaaaaaay higher than anything mcgruder has ever averaged and 14/15 ppg is literally what rich has been averaging the last 3 months.) that I don't think he would accept 4/32 and would rather take the QO. I never even said what the heat should offer so I don't know what caused you to be so quick to jump down my throat.

To this day I don't understand the McGruder thing. I dont know if he just has a cool nickname that endears him to heat fans or what His career high is like 15 points. Im in no way bashing him, but even today he doesn't offer the full complement of talents that Winslow does. He's strictly a pesky defender that's going to knock down the occasional 3.

And Winslow been worse than McGruder the past two years. Oh wow Winslow surpassed McGruder career high by a few points. Such a huge divide. Oh wait I forgot Winslow is Chris Paul at point cause he kicks it out when he reluctant to shoot.

[Kobewade11]

And Winslow been worse than McGruder the past two years. Oh wow Winslow surpassed McGruder career high by a few points. Such a huge divide. Oh wait I forgot Winslow is Chris Paul at point cause he kicks it out when he reluctant to shoot.

Winslow as a rookie was better than McGruder

[twix2500]

And Winslow been worse than McGruder the past two years. Oh wow Winslow surpassed McGruder career high by a few points. Such a huge divide. Oh wait I forgot Winslow is Chris Paul at point cause he kicks it out when he reluctant to shoot.

Winslow as a rookie was better than McGruder

I guess if you say so

[GameTime_3]

As the season has developed and I think the addition of Wade has alowed Justise to grow a bit more and gain confidence. He went from a player who could not shoot and was afraid to attack to a decent ball handler and a very good spot up shooter. In the first few years, I was nervous when I saw him with ball in his hands, to now a player when he is wide open, that he will take down that shot.Add in that face that recently, he has handled the ball a bit more and show the ability to get by his defender with the ball.

So far this season, Justise Winslow is shooting 44% (37-of-84) from deep this season which sounds great but people forget, he shot 41.8 percent from beyond the arc during his freshman year of college.

I still expect him to improve on his rim percentage as he misses way to many bunnies but Justise is coming along and I think we may have a decent SF for the future on our hands.

[Zasterror]

As the season has developed and I think the addition of Wade has alowed Justise to grow a bit more and gain confidence. He went from a player who could not shoot and was afraid to attack to a decent ball handler and a very good spot up shooter. In the first few years, I was nervous when I saw him with ball in his hands, to now a player when he is wide open, that he will take down that shot.Add in that face that recently, he has handled the ball a bit more and show the ability to get by his defender with the ball.

So far this season, Justise Winslow is shooting 44% (37-of-84) from deep this season which sounds great but people forget, he shot 41.8 percent from beyond the arc during his freshman year of college.

I still expect him to improve on his rim percentage as he misses way to many bunnies but Justise is coming along and I think we may have a decent SF for the future on our hands.

It is real apparent that Winslow's confidence and level of play has increased with the Wade addition; besides these last few games, Winslow has not played this well since his rookie season in which Wade again was present.

[orphicwhip]

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[Wiltside]

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[MartyConlonJr]

Justise made 6 of 22 3's in his first 17 games
Justise made 33 of 66 3's in his last 37 games

[MartyConlonJr]

Also Justise makes 49.6% of his 2 point shots at home and 34.3% on the road, but on 3's, he makes 48% on the road and 39.5% at home. Does he just get jitters finishing on the road?

[caliban]

Measured take.

500 attempts is usually stated as a large enough sample to determine how good a player is from 3. Right now Justise with a halfway sample is at 33% on a positive trend.

[Kobewade11]

McGruder Level

[fouled out boy]

Well, at least he showed some LeJustise flashes last game and why he was "Chosen 10" in a first place.

[MettaWorldPanda]

[dshearn]

Regardless of whats taking place, the Heat are in a better place. I have always been the guy that argues you sit rookie Abs and let them study for a year.

Is it easier to learn on the job? Most the time yes.... but


The media and Fan's can forget what they have seen, your value becomes the sum of your work.

If Winslow had been stashed the past few years and Miami pulled out a 21 year old "rookie" this season...and he had a positive month after month improvement to his game... We would all be going nuts.

One of the harder things in sports to do is accept the "now"

[DayofMourning]

I think it's safe to say Winslow is a superstar and any schmuck who has thought otherwise deserves a teabagging.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I think it's safe to say Winslow is a superstar and any schmuck who has thought otherwise deserves a teabagging.