MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 Vol.5 - What Time Is It?

[harlem_ball]

No ATL game thread yet? Are we waiting for Iggie to start one and "kick off" our season?

The forum seems pretty dead from what I had seen before. Did COVID kill a bunch of the fanbase?

[wadenation305]

Trust me I get it cause I was just annoyed as the next person every time he got ran through like a wet tile of Charmin ultra soft.. but I think that is clouding some people's memory. His three is so lethal that although he is by no means a star in this league, defenders literally give him star player levels of attention. Think about that and ponder. Not a star but defenders give him the respect to treat him as a star. A player who you want at all costs to get the ball out of his hands and make anyone else not him beat you. Because he can literally shoot you right out of a game over the span of just a minute if you're not careful.

There were times that Robinson got the ball and three people darting right at him to try to get him to miss.

Make or miss the play did it's job. He made it? Good you just got 3 points. He missed? Well at least two players are out of position meaning one of our guys doesn't have someone on him and you got an opening. Everything worked as planned.


The man has something very few have in the league when you pass him the ball. Gravity.

[wadenation305]

No ATL game thread yet? Are we waiting for Iggie to start one and "kick off" our season?

Shambles

[AirP.]

This is the wrong way of looking at it. We have talked about this over and over. Duncan unlocks all the other players. His shooting is such a focus for the opposing defenses that he could go 0-10 in a game but the offense flows because of the attention he commands.

I also think we shouldn't look at last years playoffs and make too much of it. The team was tired and spent. All 4 final 4 teams from the bubble where spent.

At some point Duncan will sit out a game or two and you will see the difference.

I've been wanting to see Robinson miss a few consecutive games to see the drop off with another good 3pt shooter in his place, I think it may surprise people, maybe the offense drops some, but the offense should go up also unless Herro were to move up to the starters during that time.

Also, the point of a roleplaying 3pt shooter is to have gravity. Lots of teams have this, the reason why they help "unlock" teammates is because they'll score well if they don't get a lot of attention, so if a team didn't "respect" another 3pt shooter in the starting lineup that person should be able to score well when he has 3-4 higher options on the court.

I like looking at ORTG - DRGT to see how a team does with a certain player on the court, Robinson in his first year had a great ORTG of 122 which over was +9 in ORGT - DRTG, he made an incredible difference that first season, last year he dropped greatly in ORTG to 112(which was league average) while having a 114 in DRTG making him a negative player(-1).

Is Robinson that first season player or did teams just not understand what shots to take away from him to take away from him because they didn't have enough videos on him? Did he become a worse player year 2 or did defenses figure out how to defend him based on the shots he liked to take?

Spoiler:

Exactly. Strus has proven nothing. He's an inexperienced Joe Harris-type at this point, potentially. Harris was trash in the playoffs, btw.

You think Robinson hasn't been trash in the playoffs?

Sure, Joe Harris was trash in the playoffs.
11.2 pts, 40% 3pt%, 3.6 reb, 1.6 ast

Compared to Robinson in last year's playoffs.
10.3 pts, 37% 3pt%, 2.8 reb, .8 ast
Best year...
11.7 pts, 40% 3pt% 2.8 reb, 1.8 ast <= Robinson's best playoffs is comparable to what you said was trash from J.Harris.

Honestly, a guy who's only positive attribute is shooting 3s is a role player and mostly will only get to use his only strong attribute because mostly his teammates get him open for his career high 13.1 ppg.

I'm not saying I don't like Robinson, he seems to be a worker, but when you look at the player, he's very limited and hurts the team on the defensive end and I don't like teams putting so much of their cap towards a player like that.

Hopefully with Lowry Robinson will get more open looks but I'm going to be highly interested in seeing what Strus can do when he's getting steady playing time and when replacing Robinson with the 4 other starters on the court.

[harlem_ball]

This is the wrong way of looking at it. We have talked about this over and over. Duncan unlocks all the other players. His shooting is such a focus for the opposing defenses that he could go 0-10 in a game but the offense flows because of the attention he commands.

I also think we shouldn't look at last years playoffs and make too much of it. The team was tired and spent. All 4 final 4 teams from the bubble where spent.

At some point Duncan will sit out a game or two and you will see the difference.

I've been wanting to see Robinson miss a few consecutive games to see the drop off with another good 3pt shooter in his place, I think it may surprise people, maybe the offense drops some, but the offense should go up also unless Herro were to move up to the starters during that time.

Also, the point of a roleplaying 3pt shooter is to have gravity. Lots of teams have this, the reason why they help "unlock" teammates is because they'll score well if they don't get a lot of attention, so if a team didn't "respect" another 3pt shooter in the starting lineup that person should be able to score well when he has 3-4 higher options on the court.

I like looking at ORTG - DRGT to see how a team does with a certain player on the court, Robinson in his first year had a great ORTG of 122 which over was +9 in ORGT - DRTG, he made an incredible difference that first season, last year he dropped greatly in ORTG to 112(which was league average) while having a 114 in DRTG making him a negative player(-1).

Is Robinson that first season player or did teams just not understand what shots to take away from him to take away from him because they didn't have enough videos on him? Did he become a worse player year 2 or did defenses figure out how to defend him based on the shots he liked to take?

Spoiler:

Exactly. Strus has proven nothing. He's an inexperienced Joe Harris-type at this point, potentially. Harris was trash in the playoffs, btw.

You think Robinson hasn't been trash in the playoffs?

Sure, Joe Harris was trash in the playoffs.
11.2 pts, 40% 3pt%, 3.6 reb, 1.6 ast

Compared to Robinson in last year's playoffs.
10.3 pts, 37% 3pt%, 2.8 reb, .8 ast
Best year...
11.7 pts, 40% 3pt% 2.8 reb, 1.8 ast <= Robinson's best playoffs is comparable to what you said was trash from J.Harris.

Honestly, a guy who's only positive attribute is shooting 3s is a role player and mostly will only get to use his only strong attribute because mostly his teammates get him open for his career high 13.1 ppg.

I'm not saying I don't like Robinson, he seems to be a worker, but when you look at the player, he's very limited and hurts the team on the defensive end and I don't like teams putting so much of their cap towards a player like that.

Hopefully with Lowry Robinson will get more open looks but I'm going to be highly interested in seeing what Strus can do when he's getting steady playing time and when replacing Robinson with the 4 other starters on the court.

Riley seems to think it was more of a mental fatigue issue for the whole team. he probably thinks last year will become an outlier.

[AirP.]

Spoiler:

Exactly. Strus has proven nothing. He's an inexperienced Joe Harris-type at this point, potentially. Harris was trash in the playoffs, btw.

You think Robinson hasn't been trash in the playoffs?

Sure, Joe Harris was trash in the playoffs.
11.2 pts, 40% 3pt%, 3.6 reb, 1.6 ast

Compared to Robinson in last year's playoffs.
10.3 pts, 37% 3pt%, 2.8 reb, .8 ast
Best year...
11.7 pts, 40% 3pt% 2.8 reb, 1.8 ast <= Robinson's best playoffs is comparable to what you said was trash from J.Harris.

Honestly, a guy who's only positive attribute is shooting 3s is a role player and mostly will only get to use his only strong attribute because mostly his teammates get him open for his career high 13.1 ppg.

I'm not saying I don't like Robinson, he seems to be a worker, but when you look at the player, he's very limited and hurts the team on the defensive end and I don't like teams putting so much of their cap towards a player like that.

Hopefully with Lowry Robinson will get more open looks but I'm going to be highly interested in seeing what Strus can do when he's getting steady playing time and when replacing Robinson with the 4 other starters on the court.

Can't disagree with this. Heat did Robinson a solid and may have negotiated against itself, I don't know for sure. But it's done and Robinson is set to have a long career in Miami and break a ton of records along the way.

Eh... not entirely sure about that, I don't see him being moved this year, but once Oladipo gets back(if it's near a high level again) he should get paid well next year putting Miami into the tax and possibly looking to move Oladipo to the starting lineup(not sure you go into the tax for a backup), meaning there's probably going to be a move made by the 22-23 season and quite possibly another before the 23-24 season.

Although the team will be better this year, the roster in the next 2 years should be better then this current roster. Miami will have a better idea what Robinson, Strus, Oladipo and Herro can do and with that, plug the hole(big next to Bam) in the lineup... oh and of course they won't be hard capped.

The next 3 years should be good/fun years for Miami Heat fans.

[harlem_ball]

Spoiler:

You think Robinson hasn't been trash in the playoffs?

Sure, Joe Harris was trash in the playoffs.
11.2 pts, 40% 3pt%, 3.6 reb, 1.6 ast

Compared to Robinson in last year's playoffs.
10.3 pts, 37% 3pt%, 2.8 reb, .8 ast
Best year...
11.7 pts, 40% 3pt% 2.8 reb, 1.8 ast <= Robinson's best playoffs is comparable to what you said was trash from J.Harris.

Honestly, a guy who's only positive attribute is shooting 3s is a role player and mostly will only get to use his only strong attribute because mostly his teammates get him open for his career high 13.1 ppg.

I'm not saying I don't like Robinson, he seems to be a worker, but when you look at the player, he's very limited and hurts the team on the defensive end and I don't like teams putting so much of their cap towards a player like that.

Hopefully with Lowry Robinson will get more open looks but I'm going to be highly interested in seeing what Strus can do when he's getting steady playing time and when replacing Robinson with the 4 other starters on the court.

Can't disagree with this. Heat did Robinson a solid and may have negotiated against itself, I don't know for sure. But it's done and Robinson is set to have a long career in Miami and break a ton of records along the way.

Eh... not entirely sure about that, I don't see him being moved this year, but once Oladipo gets back(if it's near a high level again) he should get paid well next year putting Miami into the tax and possibly looking to move Oladipo to the starting lineup(not sure you go into the tax for a backup), meaning there's probably going to be a move made by the 22-23 season and quite possibly another before the 23-24 season.

Although the team will be better this year, the roster in the next 2 years should be better then this current roster. Miami will have a better idea what Robinson, Strus, Oladipo and Herro can do and with that, plug the hole(big next to Bam) in the lineup... oh and of course they won't be hard capped.

The next 3 years should be good/fun years for Miami Heat fans.

I don't know who your sources are but why would they give up a three point marksman for yet another iso guard? Makes little sense. Especially when they will have Tyler Herro coming into his own and already have Jimmy Butler to play that role primarily?

I can understand bringing in Dipo as a future 6th man at a low cost but Oladipo isn't a top 20 guy or anything to be that excited about.

[AirP.]

Spoiler:

Can't disagree with this. Heat did Robinson a solid and may have negotiated against itself, I don't know for sure. But it's done and Robinson is set to have a long career in Miami and break a ton of records along the way.

Eh... not entirely sure about that, I don't see him being moved this year, but once Oladipo gets back(if it's near a high level again) he should get paid well next year putting Miami into the tax and possibly looking to move Oladipo to the starting lineup(not sure you go into the tax for a backup), meaning there's probably going to be a move made by the 22-23 season and quite possibly another before the 23-24 season.

Although the team will be better this year, the roster in the next 2 years should be better then this current roster. Miami will have a better idea what Robinson, Strus, Oladipo and Herro can do and with that, plug the hole(big next to Bam) in the lineup... oh and of course they won't be hard capped.

The next 3 years should be good/fun years for Miami Heat fans.

I don't know who your sources are but why would they give up a three point marksman for yet another iso guard? Makes little sense. Especially when they will have Tyler Herro coming into his own and already have Jimmy Butler to play that role primarily?

I can understand bringing in Dipo as a future 6th man at a low cost but Oladipo isn't a top 20 guy or anything to be that excited about.

Sources? It's economics.
Butler, Bam both maxed.
Lowry around 27?
Robinson 17?

Oladipo... pay him or lose him next season, Miami has Bird rights, if he's good then why wouldn't you pay him vs just losing him for nothing?

Herro, eligible to sign an extension next year, have to decide to pay him or not the summer of 2023.

Not a top 20 guy is your issue with Oladipo when Robinson was ranked 85th this year, and Bam is currently 22nd. I don't get the hate towards Oladipo who plays BOTH sides of the court vs a 3pt shooter who is bad on defense and puts in 13 ppg.

If you don't remember, SI's rankings for Miami(posted in another thread) is...

14. Jimmy Butler
22. Bam Adebayo
40. Kyle Lowry
85. Duncan Robinson

[AirP.]

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[BenoUdrihFTL]

Spoiler:

Although the same distance, maybe not the same shot, for instance, Duncan got a lot of DHOs where Bam screened for him but the defender was still within 4 feet of him but couldn't effect the shot. I'm not sure Strus ever got a DHO ran for him so his shots were mostly just catch and shoot. Same distance for a defender but a little bit different situations for the shot, Robinson got some of those close defender shots off without issue because of a teammate's(Bam) screen while most of Strus' didn't have a teammate screening for him, most if not all his shots were just get it and shoot it.

Also, Duncan got regular minutes and was able to get into the groove of the game, Strus mostly didn't know when he'd get on the court or how long he'd be there. It'll be interesting to see how Strus works when he's out there with most of the starters with him.

It's still a very difficult shot, whether it comes from DHOs or not. Part of what makes Duncan so prolific off DHOs is his ability to move without the ball and then take a dribble or two if needed before pulling up. Not to mention the body control required to be running from a defender one moment before quickly composing yourself enough to get into shooting motion, then having the automatic quick release to get the shot off. If it were easy to just spam DHOs and convert 3s at the rate Duncan does, then everyone would be doing it because it's a high-value shot by the numbers. Say all of Duncan's tight 3s come from DHOs; that 38% conversion rate per 100 possessions equates to a 114 ORTG in a season where the league average ORTG was 112.3, when only 9 teams had an ORTG over 114

So it was such a featured part of Miami's offense because it was one of our most productive plays. Replace Duncan with a shooter who isn't league elite on tight 3s and Miami's 111.2 ORTG gets even worse. Sure, I'd expect Strus' % to improve with getting more reps within the system, but that 21% is such a low starting point that reasonable improvement still doesn't elevate him to Duncan's level. Again, Joe Harris led the NBA shooting 48% overall on 3s last season and even he wasn't on Duncan's level when it comes to tight coverage

Sure it's a difficult shot but it's not as difficult as a shot with no teammate screening them and the defender is actually getting their hands in the shooter's airspace, that's all I was saying, although the data meets that criteria it doesn't mean the data is the same but then again, it's all we have.

Is it an above average shot for the NBA, sure but we don't have the data of how many times the DHO was ran where Robinson didn't get off a shot and had to pass it possibly causing a much more difficult shot since the play was blown up and there were less time on the clock.

My question would be, if Strus got the same ratio of DHOs with Bam like Robinson does, would that raise his 3pt%? I'd think it would but of course at this point we don't have that data.

What's crazy to me is that out of the 108.1 ppg that Miami scored, Robinson(a 1 way player) contributed only 13.1 of those points leaving the rest of the team to score the other 95 points, it would be one thing if he was a solid defender also, but he's not.

With the offball work and body control required to execute Duncan's DHOs, I'm not sure it's easier than a standstill catch&shoot where you still have just enough room to get a clean shot off. I guess it depends on the specific player and what they're just naturally better at -- shooting on the move or standstill

I've witnessed with my own eyes the failed possessions where Duncan wasn't able to get the shot off, so I know it happens. You're right that we don't have the data for how often it occurs, but neither do we have the data for just how impactful the play (and the threat of it) is when it comes to commanding defensive attention and opening things up for everyone else on the floor -- possessions when Duncan doesn't even touch the ball. It's pretty much the only wrinkle to our offense that commands perimeter gravity and we've seen teams like the Bucks make it their first priority to stop when facing us. I've said it before; we're perhaps the only team in the entire NBA whose two best players can't/won't shoot from outside, so it's hard to understate just how crucial that Duncan dimension is to our offense

Duncan scored 13.1 ppg, yes, that's one way of summing up his contributions. Another is to note the fact that he single-handedly accounted for 27% of the team's total 3pt production, all while unlocking untold scoring opportunities for everyone else on the floor with him

But aside from all this, my underlying point is that whoever fills Duncan's role on this team is gonna need to replicate Duncan's ultra elite ability to hit contested 3s. Right or wrong, that's what Spo asks of the position within the team's system and there's only a handful of guys who can do it on Duncan's level

[AirP.]

With the offball work and body control required to execute Duncan's DHOs, I'm not sure it's easier than a standstill catch&shoot where you still have just enough room to get a clean shot off. I guess it depends on the specific player and what they're just naturally better at -- shooting on the move or standstill

I've witnessed with my own eyes the failed possessions where Duncan wasn't able to get the shot off, so I know it happens. You're right that we don't have the data for how often it occurs, but neither do we have the data for just how impactful the play (and the threat of it) is when it comes to commanding defensive attention and opening things up for everyone else on the floor -- possessions when Duncan doesn't even touch the ball. It's pretty much the only wrinkle to our offense that commands perimeter gravity and we've seen teams like the Bucks make it their first priority to stop when facing us. I've said it before; we're perhaps the only team in the entire NBA whose two best players can't/won't shoot from outside, so it's hard to understate just how crucial that Duncan dimension is to our offense

Duncan scored 13.1 ppg, yes, that's one way of summing up his contributions. Another is to note the fact that he single-handedly accounted for 27% of the team's total 3pt production, all while unlocking untold scoring opportunities for everyone else on the floor with him.

But aside from all this, my underlying point is that whoever fills Duncan's role on this team is gonna need to replicate Duncan's ultra elite ability to hit contested 3s. Right or wrong, that's what Spo asks of the position within the team's system and there's only a handful of guys who can do it on Duncan's level

ORTG is a measure of how much a player contributes to the offense based off his own stats and the actual stats produced while that player is on the court which I mentioned going from a great 122 the 19-20 season down to 113 this last season which worries me for a player getting a sizable contract.

I get Robinson is doing what Spoelstra wanted, it's why Spoelstra had him worked so much on that DHO shot during his time in the D-League and even with Miami and maybe it's somewhat of a payback for all the hard work but I just think the FO and/or the coaches get too attached to marginal players and overpay them, for instance in recent years T.Johnson, J.Johnson, D.Waiters, and Whiteside. Also, I get that there may not be others who can do that DHO like Robinson, but my god his lack of bringing anything else to the team is a negative problem.

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[Wiltside]

No ATL game thread yet? Are we waiting for Iggie to start one and "kick off" our season?

The forum seems pretty dead from what I had seen before. Did COVID kill a bunch of the fanbase?

The forum will be back. The dead days of the offseason are now behind us, it’ll pick up.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

With the offball work and body control required to execute Duncan's DHOs, I'm not sure it's easier than a standstill catch&shoot where you still have just enough room to get a clean shot off. I guess it depends on the specific player and what they're just naturally better at -- shooting on the move or standstill

I've witnessed with my own eyes the failed possessions where Duncan wasn't able to get the shot off, so I know it happens. You're right that we don't have the data for how often it occurs, but neither do we have the data for just how impactful the play (and the threat of it) is when it comes to commanding defensive attention and opening things up for everyone else on the floor -- possessions when Duncan doesn't even touch the ball. It's pretty much the only wrinkle to our offense that commands perimeter gravity and we've seen teams like the Bucks make it their first priority to stop when facing us. I've said it before; we're perhaps the only team in the entire NBA whose two best players can't/won't shoot from outside, so it's hard to understate just how crucial that Duncan dimension is to our offense

Duncan scored 13.1 ppg, yes, that's one way of summing up his contributions. Another is to note the fact that he single-handedly accounted for 27% of the team's total 3pt production, all while unlocking untold scoring opportunities for everyone else on the floor with him.

But aside from all this, my underlying point is that whoever fills Duncan's role on this team is gonna need to replicate Duncan's ultra elite ability to hit contested 3s. Right or wrong, that's what Spo asks of the position within the team's system and there's only a handful of guys who can do it on Duncan's level

ORTG is a measure of how much a player contributes to the offense based off his own stats and the actual stats produced while that player is on the court which I mentioned going from a great 122 the 19-20 season down to 113 this last season which worries me for a player getting a sizable contract.

I get Robinson is doing what Spoelstra wanted, it's why Spoelstra had him worked so much on that DHO shot during his time in the D-League and even with Miami and maybe it's somewhat of a payback for all the hard work but I just think the FO and/or the coaches get too attached to marginal players and overpay them, for instance in recent years T.Johnson, J.Johnson, D.Waiters, and Whiteside. Also, I get that there may not be others who can do that DHO like Robinson, but my god his lack of bringing anything else to the team is a negative problem.

Check the frequency %s of Duncan's coverage splits from 2020 and 2021:

Tight (2-4 feet)
2020: 27.6%
2021: 32.2%

Open (4-6 feet)
2020: 35.6%
2021: 33.9%

Wide open (6+ feet)
2020: 23.5%
2021: 17.9%

Which says to me that he was commanding more defensive attention in 2021. A possible residual of this extra attention is that both Yimmy and Bam's individual ORTGs increased in 2021. I should also point out that Duncan's 3pt% declined vs tight and open coverage while increasing on wide open looks (problem is that the large majority of his shots come vs tight and open coverage). But even though defenses are paying more attention to him now, there's hope that he can still up his level of play from last season by simply returning closer to the %s he produced vs tight and open coverage in 2020. And I think that's a reasonably realistic hope given the facts that:

- Miami had the shortest offseason in NBA history
- No one played more mins for Miami than Duncan (suited up literally every game)
- Tired shooter legs are a very real thing, especially for a guy who moves so much without the ball

[Majestic7]

Did COVID kill a bunch of the fanbase?

Hope everyone got vaccinated!! Stay safe!

Let the pre-season begin!!

[AirP.]

Spoiler:

With the offball work and body control required to execute Duncan's DHOs, I'm not sure it's easier than a standstill catch&shoot where you still have just enough room to get a clean shot off. I guess it depends on the specific player and what they're just naturally better at -- shooting on the move or standstill

I've witnessed with my own eyes the failed possessions where Duncan wasn't able to get the shot off, so I know it happens. You're right that we don't have the data for how often it occurs, but neither do we have the data for just how impactful the play (and the threat of it) is when it comes to commanding defensive attention and opening things up for everyone else on the floor -- possessions when Duncan doesn't even touch the ball. It's pretty much the only wrinkle to our offense that commands perimeter gravity and we've seen teams like the Bucks make it their first priority to stop when facing us. I've said it before; we're perhaps the only team in the entire NBA whose two best players can't/won't shoot from outside, so it's hard to understate just how crucial that Duncan dimension is to our offense

Duncan scored 13.1 ppg, yes, that's one way of summing up his contributions. Another is to note the fact that he single-handedly accounted for 27% of the team's total 3pt production, all while unlocking untold scoring opportunities for everyone else on the floor with him.

But aside from all this, my underlying point is that whoever fills Duncan's role on this team is gonna need to replicate Duncan's ultra elite ability to hit contested 3s. Right or wrong, that's what Spo asks of the position within the team's system and there's only a handful of guys who can do it on Duncan's level

ORTG is a measure of how much a player contributes to the offense based off his own stats and the actual stats produced while that player is on the court which I mentioned going from a great 122 the 19-20 season down to 113 this last season which worries me for a player getting a sizable contract.

I get Robinson is doing what Spoelstra wanted, it's why Spoelstra had him worked so much on that DHO shot during his time in the D-League and even with Miami and maybe it's somewhat of a payback for all the hard work but I just think the FO and/or the coaches get too attached to marginal players and overpay them, for instance in recent years T.Johnson, J.Johnson, D.Waiters, and Whiteside. Also, I get that there may not be others who can do that DHO like Robinson, but my god his lack of bringing anything else to the team is a negative problem.

Check the frequency %s of Duncan's coverage splits from 2020 and 2021:

Tight (2-4 feet)
2020: 27.6%
2021: 32.2%

Open (4-6 feet)
2020: 35.6%
2021: 33.9%

Wide open (6+ feet)
2020: 23.5%
2021: 17.9%

Which says to me that he was commanding more defensive attention in 2021. A possible residual of this extra attention is that both Yimmy and Bam's individual ORTGs increased in 2021. I should also point out that Duncan's 3pt% declined vs tight and open coverage while increasing on wide open looks (problem is that the large majority of his shots come vs tight and open coverage). But even though defenses are paying more attention to him now, there's hope that he can still up his level of play from last season by simply returning closer to the %s he produced vs tight and open coverage in 2020. And I think that's a reasonably realistic hope given the facts that:

- Miami had the shortest offseason in NBA history
- No one played more mins for Miami than Duncan (suited up literally every game)
- Tired shooter legs are a very real thing, especially for a guy who moves so much without the ball

Or, since we're comparing his 1st year vs 2nd, it could be as simple as teams now have enough video on him to know how to defend him better? It's completely possible this is the new normal for Duncan which is just a good 3pt shooter and nothing else close to being around nba average.

To me, it's dangerous to the salary cap to bet that player is what he was his first season when defenses didn't understand how to defend him.

I will not be surprised at all in a year or two that people will want Duncan's salary to be moved to plug another hole(big opposite of Bam).

[Hallstar]

please play with this pace

[harlem_ball]

Eh... not entirely sure about that, I don't see him being moved this year, but once Oladipo gets back(if it's near a high level again) he should get paid well next year putting Miami into the tax and possibly looking to move Oladipo to the starting lineup(not sure you go into the tax for a backup), meaning there's probably going to be a move made by the 22-23 season and quite possibly another before the 23-24 season.

Although the team will be better this year, the roster in the next 2 years should be better then this current roster. Miami will have a better idea what Robinson, Strus, Oladipo and Herro can do and with that, plug the hole(big next to Bam) in the lineup... oh and of course they won't be hard capped.

The next 3 years should be good/fun years for Miami Heat fans.

I don't know who your sources are but why would they give up a three point marksman for yet another iso guard? Makes little sense. Especially when they will have Tyler Herro coming into his own and already have Jimmy Butler to play that role primarily?

I can understand bringing in Dipo as a future 6th man at a low cost but Oladipo isn't a top 20 guy or anything to be that excited about.

Sources? It's economics.
Butler, Bam both maxed.
Lowry around 27?
Robinson 17?

Oladipo... pay him or lose him next season, Miami has Bird rights, if he's good then why wouldn't you pay him vs just losing him for nothing?

Herro, eligible to sign an extension next year, have to decide to pay him or not the summer of 2023.

Not a top 20 guy is your issue with Oladipo when Robinson was ranked 85th this year, and Bam is currently 22nd. I don't get the hate towards Oladipo who plays BOTH sides of the court vs a 3pt shooter who is bad on defense and puts in 13 ppg.

If you don't remember, SI's rankings for Miami(posted in another thread) is...

14. Jimmy Butler
22. Bam Adebayo
40. Kyle Lowry
85. Duncan Robinson

My issue is redundancy. Why pay a guy that gives you the same production as Kendrick Nunn when you can keep a 3 point bomber that spaces the floor out? Spo has always won with a bomber, be it Wennington, Luke or even the Nazi guy that was banned from last season. If you can replace him with another 3 point shooter I think that's a better move than stacking the deck with average ISO guys.

If Dipo beasted and played like the second coming of Wade, now that's a different story.

[harlem_ball]

Morris and Deadman in the front court right now. Heat a little bigger than last season...

oopsies. Wrong thread.

[HeatFanLifer]

Based on him running with Lowry, Duncan, Butler and Adebayo. Also based on Spo’s history since Battier of basically running a small ball 4, for better or worse. Last season, that was definitely for worse.

Every year it’s for the worse. It’s effective in the playoffs, but wears players out if done for an entire season. Not sure what it’s going to take for Spo to realize.

It depends on your personnel and how they handle that grind. Jae Crowder seemed ideal but you are right and Crowder was a midseason addition that didn't have to grind the full season. That said, he did well in the same role for the Suns.

The Suns had bigs coming off the bench during the regular season to keep players from wearing out too. Iggie’s boy Kamnisky can attest to that. Spo goes smaller when he brings someone off the bench.