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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024 2.0** 

Post#361 » by Wiltside » Sun Jun 23, 2024 6:56 am

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DayofMourning wrote:CBS boy said Knecht is like an athletic Tyler Herro.


That sounds like a near allstar player. Is Knecht possibly that good?


I said something similar earlier in the year. Gave me more athletic Herro vibes for sure.

I really liked him, but he has leapfrogged our pick position.
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024 2.0** 

Post#362 » by RexBoyWonder » Sun Jun 23, 2024 11:54 am

I'm confident there will be several good options available at #15.

I just want a high upside player, weather it's Collier, Edey, Tyler Smith, Carrington, Ware, Holland, Topic or whoever. I could live with a miss if we go for the home run.

It can't be a safe, low upside, limited role player. It makes no sense for this team at this time.

So No to Da Silva,
No Carter,
No Holmes,
No Kolek,
No Mccain,
No Filipowski


Just bet on the player you believe in the most and that brings something special to the table.

If there isn't a path to ever becoming anything near an Allstar - it shouldn't be our pick.
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024 2.0** 

Post#363 » by greg4012 » Sun Jun 23, 2024 12:52 pm

lastb1ckman wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:CBS boy said Knecht is like an athletic Tyler Herro.


That sounds like a near allstar player. Is Knecht possibly that good?


Knecht is only one year younger than Herro. When Knecht was 20 years old, he was averaging 8.9 ppg along with 1 apg for Colorado State in the Big Sky Conference. When Herro was 20 years old, he was averaging 14 ppg and 2.5 apg as a rookie in the NBA.

Dalton Knecht is lauded as being a 3 pt sniper, but he shot 28% on pull up 3s this past season. Herro has never shot less than 33% on pull up 3s as a NBA player and was at 37% this past season.

Personally, I don't see it with Knecht as a top 10 pick.
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Post#364 » by greg4012 » Sun Jun 23, 2024 12:56 pm

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On the list of confirmed workouts for the Heat
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Post#365 » by Rapaz » Sun Jun 23, 2024 1:25 pm

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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024 2.0** 

Post#366 » by lastb1ckman » Sun Jun 23, 2024 2:17 pm

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lastb1ckman wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:CBS boy said Knecht is like an athletic Tyler Herro.


That sounds like a near allstar player. Is Knecht possibly that good?


Knecht is only one year younger than Herro. When Knecht was 20 years old, he was averaging 8.9 ppg along with 1 apg for Colorado State in the Big Sky Conference. When Herro was 20 years old, he was averaging 14 ppg and 2.5 apg as a rookie in the NBA.

Dalton Knecht is lauded as being a 3 pt sniper, but he shot 28% on pull up 3s this past season. Herro has never shot less than 33% on pull up 3s as a NBA player and was at 37% this past season.

Personally, I don't see it with Knecht as a top 10 pick.


Yeah that's where my skepticism comes in. He's doing this as a super senior in college. Tyler is averaging 20 mutliple seasons in the nba. There's levels to this. He's probably not gonna be even as good as Herro now! Let alone be an athletic Tyler Herro lol
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Post#367 » by Beenie » Sun Jun 23, 2024 2:35 pm

lastb1ckman wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
lastb1ckman wrote:
That sounds like a near allstar player. Is Knecht possibly that good?


Knecht is only one year younger than Herro. When Knecht was 20 years old, he was averaging 8.9 ppg along with 1 apg for Colorado State in the Big Sky Conference. When Herro was 20 years old, he was averaging 14 ppg and 2.5 apg as a rookie in the NBA.

Dalton Knecht is lauded as being a 3 pt sniper, but he shot 28% on pull up 3s this past season. Herro has never shot less than 33% on pull up 3s as a NBA player and was at 37% this past season.

Personally, I don't see it with Knecht as a top 10 pick.


Yeah that's where my skepticism comes in. He's doing this as a super senior in college. Tyler is averaging 20 mutliple seasons in the nba. There's levels to this. He's probably not gonna be even as good as Herro now! Let alone be an athletic Tyler Herro lol



He kinda reminds me of Strus

Built somewhat similar and has physicality in his game
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Post#368 » by greg4012 » Sun Jun 23, 2024 2:40 pm

Beenie wrote:
lastb1ckman wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
Knecht is only one year younger than Herro. When Knecht was 20 years old, he was averaging 8.9 ppg along with 1 apg for Colorado State in the Big Sky Conference. When Herro was 20 years old, he was averaging 14 ppg and 2.5 apg as a rookie in the NBA.

Dalton Knecht is lauded as being a 3 pt sniper, but he shot 28% on pull up 3s this past season. Herro has never shot less than 33% on pull up 3s as a NBA player and was at 37% this past season.

Personally, I don't see it with Knecht as a top 10 pick.


Yeah that's where my skepticism comes in. He's doing this as a super senior in college. Tyler is averaging 20 mutliple seasons in the nba. There's levels to this. He's probably not gonna be even as good as Herro now! Let alone be an athletic Tyler Herro lol



He kinda reminds me of Strus

Built somewhat similar and has physicality in his game


I think that's a reasonable comp
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Post#369 » by greg4012 » Sun Jun 23, 2024 2:45 pm

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Really liking Dadiet’s game and blend of skills for a 18 year old prospect. Always so tricky to evaluate euro prospects when young guys get limited minutes and I have little sense for which leagues are most competitive.

I’m a sucker for prospects that came up as PGs then had a late growth spurt. Def think his shooting is for real. Strong handle, great frame. I def dig that the Heat worked him out.

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I'm pretty fascinated by the 3-level scoring potential of Dadiet. I think his 3 ball is for real and he may have some of the best overall touch in this class. A LOT to work with for a 18 year old prospect.

I was wondering if anyone else in this class is over 65% at the rim (Dadiet = 73%); over 45% on non-rim 2s (Dadiet = 50%); and over 33% from 3 (Dadiet = 36%)

Here's what I could find:

Pacome Dadiet: 73% at the rim; 50% on non-rim 2s; 36% from 3

Reed Sheppard: 65% at the rim; 45.8% on non-rim 2s; 52% from 3
Zaccharie Risacher: 60% at the rim; 32% on non-rim 2s; 38% from 3
Dalton Knecht: 59% at the rim; 36% on non-rim 2s; 40% from 3
Rob Dillingham: 55% at the rim; 43% on non-rim 2s; 44% from 3
Cody Williams: 73% at the rim; 37% on non-rim 2s; 41% from 3 (lowest volume)
Tristan Da Silva: 61% at the rim; 49.5% on non-rim 2s; 39.5% from 3
Devin Carter: 65% at the rim; 29% on non-rim 2s; 38% from 3
Jared McCain: 59% at the rim; 44% on non-rim 2s; 41% from 3
Jaylon Tyson: 57% at the rim; 40% on non-rim 2s; 36% from 3
Ron Holland: 60% at the rim; 32% on non-rim 2s; 24% from 3
Tyler Smith: 64% at the rim; 37% non-rim 2s; 36% from 3
Matas Buzelis: 57% at the rim; 38% on non-rim 2s; 27% from 3
Johnny Furphy: 80% at the rim; 25% on non-rim 2s; 36% from 3
Kyshawn George: 60% at the rim; 22% on non-rim 2s; 41% from 3
Isaiah Collier: 61% at the rim; 40% on non-rim 2s; 33% from 3
Kyle Filipowski: 63% at the rim; 38% on non-rim 2s; 34% from 3
Kel'el Ware: 74% at the rim; 44% on non-rim 2s; 41% from 3
Daron Holmes: 74% at the rim; 35% on non-rim 2s; 38% from 3
Bub Carrington: 54% at the rim; 50% on non-rim 2s; 32% from 3
Terrence Shannon Jr: 65% at the rim; 39% on non-rim 2s; 36% from 3
Tyler Kolek: 58% at the rim; 47% on non-rim 2s; 38% from 3
Baylor Scheierman: 63% at the rim; 45% on non-rim 2s; 38% from 3
Ajay Mitchell: 59% at the rim; 44% on non-rim 2s; 37% from 3
Cam Christie: 47% at the rim; 40% on non-rim 2s; 39% from 3
KJ Simpson: 55% at the rim; 40% on non-rim 2s; 43% from 3
Cam Spencer: 61% at the rim; 50% on non-rim 2s; 44% from 3

From what I can gather, it's just Dadiet and Reed Sheppard.
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2024 2.0** 

Post#370 » by lastb1ckman » Sun Jun 23, 2024 2:48 pm

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lastb1ckman wrote:
Yeah that's where my skepticism comes in. He's doing this as a super senior in college. Tyler is averaging 20 mutliple seasons in the nba. There's levels to this. He's probably not gonna be even as good as Herro now! Let alone be an athletic Tyler Herro lol



He kinda reminds me of Strus

Built somewhat similar and has physicality in his game


I think that's a reasonable comp


Yeah I totally see Strus there. Especially since Strus, especially early heat strus, has some underrated hops
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Post#371 » by greg4012 » Sun Jun 23, 2024 2:59 pm

I'm also very impressed by the fact that Dadiet shot just as well (or better) on guarded 3s as open 3s. A lot of indicators he's a real deal shooter
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Post#372 » by lastb1ckman » Sun Jun 23, 2024 6:34 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:I'm confident there will be several good options available at #15.

I just want a high upside player, weather it's Collier, Edey, Tyler Smith, Carrington, Ware, Holland, Topic or whoever. I could live with a miss if we go for the home run.

It can't be a safe, low upside, limited role player. It makes no sense for this team at this time.

So No to Da Silva,
No Carter,
No Holmes,
No Kolek,
No Mccain,
No Filipowski


Just bet on the player you believe in the most and that brings something special to the table.

If there isn't a path to ever becoming anything near an Allstar - it shouldn't be our pick.


This might be controversial, but I don't see all star up side with Tyler Smith. I just don't see the level of creation or passing that I would think is necessary for his archetype to be a star. I'd think he'd need to be ELITE defensive wise to male it with his skills now. Like Jonathan issac level
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Post#373 » by greg4012 » Sun Jun 23, 2024 7:07 pm

lastb1ckman wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:I'm confident there will be several good options available at #15.

I just want a high upside player, weather it's Collier, Edey, Tyler Smith, Carrington, Ware, Holland, Topic or whoever. I could live with a miss if we go for the home run.

It can't be a safe, low upside, limited role player. It makes no sense for this team at this time.

So No to Da Silva,
No Carter,
No Holmes,
No Kolek,
No Mccain,
No Filipowski


Just bet on the player you believe in the most and that brings something special to the table.

If there isn't a path to ever becoming anything near an Allstar - it shouldn't be our pick.


This might be controversial, but I don't see all star up side with Tyler Smith. I just don't see the level of creation or passing that I would think is necessary for his archetype to be a star. I'd think he'd need to be ELITE defensive wise to male it with his skills now. Like Jonathan issac level


Don’t see much indication of a handle
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Post#374 » by RexBoyWonder » Sun Jun 23, 2024 7:40 pm

greg4012 wrote:
lastb1ckman wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:I'm confident there will be several good options available at #15.

I just want a high upside player, weather it's Collier, Edey, Tyler Smith, Carrington, Ware, Holland, Topic or whoever. I could live with a miss if we go for the home run.

It can't be a safe, low upside, limited role player. It makes no sense for this team at this time.

So No to Da Silva,
No Carter,
No Holmes,
No Kolek,
No Mccain,
No Filipowski


Just bet on the player you believe in the most and that brings something special to the table.

If there isn't a path to ever becoming anything near an Allstar - it shouldn't be our pick.


This might be controversial, but I don't see all star up side with Tyler Smith. I just don't see the level of creation or passing that I would think is necessary for his archetype to be a star. I'd think he'd need to be ELITE defensive wise to male it with his skills now. Like Jonathan issac level


Don’t see much indication of a handle


Yup agreed his upside is more of an elite role player. His combination of age/shooting/size/athleticism
do give some hope he can become a spiecial type of shooting big, even if not an Allstar.

I'd add Pacome Dadiet to the high upside list. I'd be fine with swinging for him or any young, positionally big player with a natural talent for scoring.

I low key like Jaylon Tyson too, but he's kind of between the 2 different list.
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Post#375 » by twix2500 » Sun Jun 23, 2024 9:30 pm

lastb1ckman wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:I'm confident there will be several good options available at #15.

I just want a high upside player, weather it's Collier, Edey, Tyler Smith, Carrington, Ware, Holland, Topic or whoever. I could live with a miss if we go for the home run.

It can't be a safe, low upside, limited role player. It makes no sense for this team at this time.

So No to Da Silva,
No Carter,
No Holmes,
No Kolek,
No Mccain,
No Filipowski


Just bet on the player you believe in the most and that brings something special to the table.

If there isn't a path to ever becoming anything near an Allstar - it shouldn't be our pick.


This might be controversial, but I don't see all star up side with Tyler Smith. I just don't see the level of creation or passing that I would think is necessary for his archetype to be a star. I'd think he'd need to be ELITE defensive wise to male it with his skills now. Like Jonathan issac level
Lateral quickness is a question with Smith. There is question about his ability to defend the perimeter

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Post#376 » by Wiltside » Sun Jun 23, 2024 10:51 pm

greg4012 wrote:
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On the list of confirmed workouts for the Heat


That tweet screams Heat second round pick tbh.
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Post#377 » by lastb1ckman » Mon Jun 24, 2024 2:46 am

Wiltside wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
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On the list of confirmed workouts for the Heat


That tweet screams Heat second round pick tbh.


Having a rookie Bam off the bench is a good backup. Maybe Onyeka Okongwu at his peak. That's good to have
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Post#378 » by lastb1ckman » Mon Jun 24, 2024 3:35 pm

With all the talk of Bam playing the 4 and building his game there, out of the guys they have worked out who are we thinking would let him do that in the coming years? I don't see any of them starting at center their rookie season but Ware and Edey seem the most likely candidates in the future. Holmes would be nice too, but I don't think the Heat have the chance to check him out.
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Post#379 » by twix2500 » Mon Jun 24, 2024 5:06 pm

Looks like the Heat are making the pick for themselves.

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Post#380 » by twix2500 » Mon Jun 24, 2024 5:08 pm

Looks like Klutch/Dillingham are trying to make a pitch for the Heat to draft Dillingham. Dillingham might be falling a lot

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