2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Just like Jimmy right? Everyone knew we were getting a Pacers/Knicks ECF and Pacers in the Finals and potential championship this year too. Most predictable season we’ve ever seen.

[MettaWorldPanda]

What a damn troll lol

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[MettaWorldPanda]

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Just like Jimmy right? Everyone knew we were getting a Pacers/Knicks ECF and Pacers in the Finals and potential championship this year too. Most predictable season we’ve ever seen.

Once we start getting close to something Simmons starts to panic and poo poo everything we are trying to do. Same guy who reported he heard Spurs done deal. Phucking ahole

[ZoStrong]

You mean if KD ends up on the Wolves becasue he would have had reservations about the Heat front office and let Edwards know to stay away aswell. That would not be in our favor

IF KD joins the Wolves and fails to deliver the ring and Minnesota is forced to trade AE, why would he listen to the old guy? Edwards already has a huge respect for Spo. And this is a franchise w a proven success. Not saying we'll have a good chance of getting him, but KD wouldn't be a influencer on Edwards future decisions. By that time he might call it a career

I guess you could also say the same thing about KD listening to Butler right? KD has respect for Spo and Bam from team USA.

In the end, players go where they think they will be most successful (financially more so than any other reason. It's a short career) regardless of their close friends. Just look at Fox. The Kentucky buddy of Bam. Never even entertained playing w Bam in Miami.

[MettaWorldPanda]

IF KD joins the Wolves and fails to deliver the ring and Minnesota is forced to trade AE, why would he listen to the old guy? Edwards already has a huge respect for Spo. And this is a franchise w a proven success. Not saying we'll have a good chance of getting him, but KD wouldn't be a influencer on Edwards future decisions. By that time he might call it a career

I guess you could also say the same thing about KD listening to Butler right? KD has respect for Spo and Bam from team USA.

In the end, players go where they think they will be most successful (financially more so than any other reason. It's a short career) regardless of their close friends. Just look at Fox. The Kentucky buddy of Bam. Never even entertained playing w Bam in Miami.

Spurs were his hometown team. Can’t blame him much for that

[fincane30]

Bane is much lower on the scouting report than Herro and is doesnt have the ball handling Herro does. If Bane was in Herro's position this season, we'd likely not have even been a play in team. Its the same situation as with Reeves on the Lakers. Bane is going to a great situation with Franz and Paolo drawing all the attention. Thats his ideal role. (Even thought the Magic wayyyyy over paid)

Youre seriously giving credit to Herro for leading us to a .450 record this season like thats an accomplishment?

Ill tell you one thing for sure, Ty Jerome isnt clamping Bane and scoring 25 on him either.

You don't know that. Desmond Bane got a taste of being the #1 perimeter option against the Thunder in this year's playoffs. And it wasn't even the whole series because Ja played in three of the games. He put up worse numbers than Herro. 31% FG 22% 3P nearly 4 turnovers per game and 15 pts per game. All worse than Herro. He got a -51 in a game in that series too.

Everyone underestimates what it means to be the #1 option and what a good team can do to you when all they have to do is focus on you.

Miami has played in 9 playoff games over the last two years. They were competitive twice. Once each series. Both games 2s. Beat Boston, lost to the Cavs. One of the common themes in both is Herro had his best games of those series in Game 2. Smothered otherwise. Being a #1 is hard. Bane didn't bathe himself in glory when he had the chance.

[VaDe255]

People calling herro a defender is wild to me.

Bane isn't a great defender, might not even be a good one. But, he can at least guard his position.That is definitely something herro cant do.

Bane got what he got because he spaces the floor and can hold his own on defense. Magic badly needed that amd went out and over paid for it. Herro gives you more creativity and shot making, but just too many defensive leaks to cover up for.

The magic saw an opportunity and took their shots. He slides in perfectly with Suggs, Pablo, and Wagner.

Bane came into the league later and is 1.5y older than Tyler.
Sure, you can make a case for Bane being better on defense, but at the same time he's not as talented on offense.

Just depends on what you want from a guy, I think Heat would turn that offer down (and maybe did). We'll never know but Herro would have been a better fit with how much defense there already is on Orlando and how badly they lack shot creation.

If they turned that down, they are better off being the gleague team for the Hornets.

The offensive gap between the 2 are negligible. Herro has a bigger bag, but he doesn't have a role outside of 6th man on a contender. Bane is much easier to fit him. He's stable, can shoot, and guard his man. He isn't a no.1, but he'd be a great no.2/3.

Herro is either a first option or 6th man. He doesn't do enough on the other side of the ball to be worth his contract to play as a no.2 or no.3.

Imo, every contender would take bane over herro. I don't even think it's an argument.

Herro gives you something way harder to find than some average defense at best: on-ball creation, scoring versatility, and legit playmaking. That’s exactly what Orlando lacks. With elite defenders like Suggs, Franz, and Isaac already in place, you can afford to cover for Herro’s defensive shortcomings. What you can’t fake is high-level shot creation and Herro brings that in spades.

Bane might be easier to plug into any lineup, sure. But Herro offers more upside.

The idea that “every contender would take Bane over Herro” skips over real context and ignores Herro’s production this year: 24 PPG, 5.5 APG, efficient splits, and an All-Star selection. If the take is just “I don’t like Herro so he can’t be good,” then we’re not really having a basketball conversation.

[oreon]

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Just like Jimmy right? Everyone knew we were getting a Pacers/Knicks ECF and Pacers in the Finals and potential championship this year too. Most predictable season we’ve ever seen.

I don't think he's wrong. Celtics injury opens the door. But chances are more likely than naught that KD Miami Heat don't make the finals in the KD era. Reality is the Heat core as is poor. And KD hasn't had playoffs success since the Bucks and Nets series 4 or 5 years ago. They won't win a title with KD. Best case is one final run. More likely 2nd round exits and maybe one ECF finals.
I could be wrong and they could win a title but objectively that's super low possibility.

[fincane30]

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Just like Jimmy right? Everyone knew we were getting a Pacers/Knicks ECF and Pacers in the Finals and potential championship this year too. Most predictable season we’ve ever seen.

I don't think he's wrong. Celtics injury opens the door. But chances are more likely than naught that KD Miami Heat don't make the finals in the KD era. Reality is the Heat core as is poor. And KD hasn't had playoffs success since the Bucks and Nets series 4 or 5 years ago. They won't win a title with KD. Best case is one final run. More likely 2nd round exits and maybe one ECF finals.
I could be wrong and they could win a title but objectively that's super low possibility.

He's thinking that Miami will simply stand pat if they get KD. That's too narrow of a thought process. That is a remote possibility in my opinion. They've had since February to figure out a KD-Bam-Herro build out. I don't think the team will look remotely the same if they get the trade done

[EMC5466]

We heard a lot of the same **** about Jimmy Butler 6 years ago. I do agree with Simmons about the awkward fit in Minnesota. KD would have the ball in his hands way more down here with us.

[Hallstar]

People calling herro a defender is wild to me.

Bane isn't a great defender, might not even be a good one. But, he can at least guard his position.That is definitely something herro cant do.

Bane got what he got because he spaces the floor and can hold his own on defense. Magic badly needed that amd went out and over paid for it. Herro gives you more creativity and shot making, but just too many defensive leaks to cover up for.

The magic saw an opportunity and took their shots. He slides in perfectly with Suggs, Pablo, and Wagner.

Bane came into the league later and is 1.5y older than Tyler.
Sure, you can make a case for Bane being better on defense, but at the same time he's not as talented on offense.

Just depends on what you want from a guy, I think Heat would turn that offer down (and maybe did). We'll never know but Herro would have been a better fit with how much defense there already is on Orlando and how badly they lack shot creation.

If they turned that down, they are better off being the gleague team for the Hornets.

The offensive gap between the 2 are negligible. Herro has a bigger bag, but he doesn't have a role outside of 6th man on a contender. Bane is much easier to fit him. He's stable, can shoot, and guard his man. He isn't a no.1, but he'd be a great no.2/3.

Herro is either a first option or 6th man. He doesn't do enough on the other side of the ball to be worth his contract to play as a no.2 or no.3.

Imo, every contender would take bane over herro. I don't even think it's an argument.

Bane has never been highlighted for defense, like ever. This is literally guys pulling arguments out their butt and hoping everyone is as clueless. We don't know what's has and hasn't been offered for any player on the Heat so these wild proclamations don't make any sense. We would literally be arguing the unknown. All we know is before last year Herro saddled with Duncan Robinson couldn't get us a top 10 player. That somehow equates to Herro has no trade value.

[batterybro42]

Bane came into the league later and is 1.5y older than Tyler.
Sure, you can make a case for Bane being better on defense, but at the same time he's not as talented on offense.

Just depends on what you want from a guy, I think Heat would turn that offer down (and maybe did). We'll never know but Herro would have been a better fit with how much defense there already is on Orlando and how badly they lack shot creation.

If they turned that down, they are better off being the gleague team for the Hornets.

The offensive gap between the 2 are negligible. Herro has a bigger bag, but he doesn't have a role outside of 6th man on a contender. Bane is much easier to fit him. He's stable, can shoot, and guard his man. He isn't a no.1, but he'd be a great no.2/3.

Herro is either a first option or 6th man. He doesn't do enough on the other side of the ball to be worth his contract to play as a no.2 or no.3.

Imo, every contender would take bane over herro. I don't even think it's an argument.

Bane has never been highlighted for defense, like ever. This is literally guys pulling arguments out their butt and hoping everyone is as clueless. We don't know what's has and hasn't been offered for any player on the Heat so these wild proclamations don't make any sense. We would literally be arguing the unknown. All we know is before last year Herro saddled with Duncan Robinson couldn't get us a top 10 player. That somehow equates to Herro has no trade value.

Prepare yourself for a decade of Magic Supremacy after they got world renowned NBA Super Star Desmond Bane

[batterybro42]

They have a much better outlook than us right now for sure lol we’ll see if the FO can change that

Magic Supremacy

I’m hoping this ages better than your other arguments with me

The Magic were just Demond Bane away from winning the title

[SA37]

Spoiler:

Are you of the impression that rookie development needs to coincide with winning for it to prove valuable?

I contend it’s something you progress to. If you didn’t see Ware’s progress this season and his ability to adjust to attention he got and digest what was happening on the court, then I’m sorry you missed it. If you don’t see how his physical tools and presence create a game tilting dynamic when well utilized and the potential that provides, then idk what to tell you.

Perhaps you just have no faith in his 3ball. To me, the obvious natural touch he possesses and his top percentile shooting profile among center prospects his age has me pretty certain Ware will develop to being one of the better 3pt shooting centers in the NBA. Maybe the question is just one of time. How long until he gets there.

My point is he may take time to develop. Do you know how many people on here promised Oladipo/Jovic/Winslow/KZ Okpala...etc were ready to destroy the league the following season?

And if you want a rags-to-riches-to rags story, look no further than Hassan Whiteside.

As I've said previously, I think Ware's ceiling is Brook Lopez/Porzingis. Even if he makes it to that level, I am ok with Miami getting 2-3 years of Durant even at 37 in exchange. I just don't see Ware being a central, cornerstone player.

I could be wrong, of course.

Imo, i see wares ceiling as Jarrett Allen with a 3 pt shot. And that's a fantastic player.

His biggest issues right now is his strength and awareness. The strength will come over time or he gets a kid in the offseason fpr that dad strength. He isn't low bbiq, but he's slow at processing the peripherals. He uses his athleticism to cover up for his misses. I think having game reps with people around him will fix alot of this. An off season with the same core will do wonders for him.

So we're more or less in agreement with where we think his ceiling is. I would trade Jarrett Allen for Durant. I would not pass on Kevin Durant to keep Jarrett Allen. I would not trade Kevin Durant for Jarrett Allen. In fact Cleveland is rumored to be shopping Allen (and Garland) for an upgrade to their roster. And that is a 60-win team. Minnesota just found out Gobert can play like **** and they can still make the WCF with Julius Randle as their 2nd best player.

The reality is unless we're talking about Jokic/Embiid/A Davis level bigs, mediocre bigs just don't move the needle. Miami and Golden St have made multiple Finals without a true center and playing 6'5 guys at PF.

IMO, Miami is a wildly better team if you swap Durant with Wiggins and Ware, and that is what it comes down to. You get Durant 1st and worry about the rest later. It would be great if Miami could find a way not to include Ware if they really think he's that talented, but he should not be a deal-breaker in a trade for Durant.

[Hallstar]

On another note, we should look at Scottie Pippen jr. He's the kind of guard that's caught in a logjam that could probably be very productive for us at pg.

[insfo]

How many picks did Minny give away for Gobert? So I guess that means no one wanted Bam right?

[psman2]

On another note, we should look at Scottie Pippen jr. He's the kind of guard that's caught in a logjam that could probably be very productive for us at pg.

Memphis didn't have a log jam before we traded Bane. For sure don't now, spj likely a 30+ minute guy now in Memphis.

[Vertical Limit]

Bane is much lower on the scouting report than Herro and is doesnt have the ball handling Herro does. If Bane was in Herro's position this season, we'd likely not have even been a play in team. Its the same situation as with Reeves on the Lakers. Bane is going to a great situation with Franz and Paolo drawing all the attention. Thats his ideal role. (Even thought the Magic wayyyyy over paid)

Youre seriously giving credit to Herro for leading us to a .450 record this season like thats an accomplishment?

Ill tell you one thing for sure, Ty Jerome isnt clamping Bane and scoring 25 on him either.

You don't know that. Desmond Bane got a taste of being the #1 perimeter option against the Thunder in this year's playoffs. And it wasn't even the whole series because Ja played in three of the games. He put up worse numbers than Herro. 31% FG 22% 3P nearly 4 turnovers per game and 15 pts per game. All worse than Herro. He got a -51 in a game in that series too.

Everyone underestimates what it means to be the #1 option and what a good team can do to you when all they have to do is focus on you.

Miami has played in 9 playoff games over the last two years. They were competitive twice. Once each series. Both games 2s. Beat Boston, lost to the Cavs. One of the common themes in both is Herro had his best games of those series in Game 2. Smothered otherwise. Being a #1 is hard. Bane didn't bathe himself in glory when he had the chance.

Bane went up against Dort, an all nba defensive specialist. Ty Jerome couldnt even get minutes in the second round.

[fincane30]

Youre seriously giving credit to Herro for leading us to a .450 record this season like thats an accomplishment?

Ill tell you one thing for sure, Ty Jerome isnt clamping Bane and scoring 25 on him either.

You don't know that. Desmond Bane got a taste of being the #1 perimeter option against the Thunder in this year's playoffs. And it wasn't even the whole series because Ja played in three of the games. He put up worse numbers than Herro. 31% FG 22% 3P nearly 4 turnovers per game and 15 pts per game. All worse than Herro. He got a -51 in a game in that series too.

Everyone underestimates what it means to be the #1 option and what a good team can do to you when all they have to do is focus on you.

Miami has played in 9 playoff games over the last two years. They were competitive twice. Once each series. Both games 2s. Beat Boston, lost to the Cavs. One of the common themes in both is Herro had his best games of those series in Game 2. Smothered otherwise. Being a #1 is hard. Bane didn't bathe himself in glory when he had the chance.

Bane went up against Dort, an all nba defensive specialist. Ty Jerome couldnt even get minutes in the second round.

You still don't know what Cleveland would've done to stop Bane if he replaced Herro as the Heat's only perimeter threat. Bane had Ja as a running mate. Herro had Davion Mitchell. This comparison game can be played as much as you like. Both guys went up against #1 seeds and both fared poorly. One was the #2 perimeter option the other was the #1 option and drew the attention of the entire team. Ty Jerome was one of several defenders as part of an entire defensive gameplan.

[Hallstar]

Youre seriously giving credit to Herro for leading us to a .450 record this season like thats an accomplishment?

Ill tell you one thing for sure, Ty Jerome isnt clamping Bane and scoring 25 on him either.

You don't know that. Desmond Bane got a taste of being the #1 perimeter option against the Thunder in this year's playoffs. And it wasn't even the whole series because Ja played in three of the games. He put up worse numbers than Herro. 31% FG 22% 3P nearly 4 turnovers per game and 15 pts per game. All worse than Herro. He got a -51 in a game in that series too.

Everyone underestimates what it means to be the #1 option and what a good team can do to you when all they have to do is focus on you.

Miami has played in 9 playoff games over the last two years. They were competitive twice. Once each series. Both games 2s. Beat Boston, lost to the Cavs. One of the common themes in both is Herro had his best games of those series in Game 2. Smothered otherwise. Being a #1 is hard. Bane didn't bathe himself in glory when he had the chance.

Bane went up against Dort, an all nba defensive specialist. Ty Jerome couldnt even get minutes in the second round.

Lol, Herro was surrounded by 3-4 dudes every time he hit the paint. Spo tried moving him off ball game 3 and the team got worse because we don't have other real ball handlers.

And I don't want to hear about Dort, Herro had the literal DPOY at the rim, and I didn't remember that being an excuse. I'm sure it would have been mentioned for Bane though.