Miami Heat Speculation Thread - 2020 and beyond...

[RonaldSeikaly]

Problem is Indiana may not accept that. I agree with others here that are advocating for Cousins. He is a great low cost high reward one year option. If not then see what the price tag is for someone like Aldridge. Maybe a first and KO? If not draft someone that can score the ball in the front court and run it back.


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Indy should take that and run. Oladipo has put out all the signs that he is not resigning. They are not going to get a superstar trade package for him. I would reduce the offer as Olynyk and a first for VO.

A player I mention before should also be in the mix, Dennis Schroder. Do something like Swap picks with OKC, Olynyk for Schroder. Then sign Gallinari or Ibaka. Resign Dragic

PG: Schroder - Dragic - Nunn
SG: Butler - Herro
SF: Robinson - Iggy
PF: Ibaka or Gallinari - Okpala
Ce: Adebayo - Leonard - Silva

As a Heat fan I wish Indy would accept that deal. I am just saying the few times I proposed it on the general board that is the feedback I got. Means nothing in real life and probably is the case of one team overvaluing their player and undervaluing the other teams. We will see. To me you don’t do anything to jeopardize 2021. Trade for a guy on a one year deal or take a flier on someone whose market is diminished that fits in our system. We need another scorer for sure.


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Having max cap space for 21 is a priority, but if we can get a max type player at a low cost next year then by all means we should sacrifice 21 space.

We need a big that can play high level defense and shoot 3s. And if Robinson can’t learn to play defense, we need a 3-and-D. We need to hold onto Jae and Goran. I assume we’ve given up on DJJ learning to shoot... at least on our cap space.... but if not that too should be a priority. I actually don’t think Bam learning to shoot is a particular priority. We run so much inside out offense thru him in the center of the court that having him sit outside even if our opponent were to respect the threat, it would set us back.

The only other thing that worries me is we have two high milage guys (Jimmy and Goran) who are both at an age that they could see sharp declines any year. We need to be careful that we Don’t ask more of them then they can realistically do. Also that we have a pipeline of talent that can help fill in some of the productivity gaps when they start their decline or need to have their minutes further reduced.


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[carnageta]

See lots of mentions here of us potentially getting some guards (Oladipo, Beal, etc).. but that doesn’t address our biggest concern - another serviceable big who can defend, rebound and co-exist with Bam.

As someone pointed out, Myles Turner would make a good fit. Yes, him and Bam have had some problems, but so have Jimmy and Crowder in the past. That’s a non issue.

I wonder what it would take to get Embiid. He thinks highly of Butler and Spo, and with the Sixers being the train wreck they are it’s possible he may demand a trade. I think he would fit wonderfully alongside Bam.

I would not give up Herro, Robinson or Bam in any deal, but if we could get Joel then it would truly be a ‘whale‘ catch. If this playoff run has proven anything it’s that we are absolutely fk*ed whenever Bam comes off the court. Having Embiid would allow us to keep at least one of the two on the floor at all times in the postseason.


Riley loves big men and Embiid may be the best C in the league, alongside Jokic.

Again, not sure how we could pull it off, but if anyone can do it, it’s Riley..

Imagine a starting 5 of:

Herro
Robinson
Butler
Bam
Embiid

Dragic off the bench (1 year deal). That’s a contender, and realistically that group could make it back to the finals next year assuming they stay healthy.

He’s going to be on the block, it’s just a matter of if we can get him without giving up the bank. Worst case scenario for us would be if he somehow ends up on a team like the Celtics.. Tatum/Biid/Brown for the next 5+ years? Forget about it..

[puppa bear]

Indy should take that and run. Oladipo has put out all the signs that he is not resigning. They are not going to get a superstar trade package for him. I would reduce the offer as Olynyk and a first for VO.

A player I mention before should also be in the mix, Dennis Schroder. Do something like Swap picks with OKC, Olynyk for Schroder. Then sign Gallinari or Ibaka. Resign Dragic

PG: Schroder - Dragic - Nunn
SG: Butler - Herro
SF: Robinson - Iggy
PF: Ibaka or Gallinari - Okpala
Ce: Adebayo - Leonard - Silva

As a Heat fan I wish Indy would accept that deal. I am just saying the few times I proposed it on the general board that is the feedback I got. Means nothing in real life and probably is the case of one team overvaluing their player and undervaluing the other teams. We will see. To me you don’t do anything to jeopardize 2021. Trade for a guy on a one year deal or take a flier on someone whose market is diminished that fits in our system. We need another scorer for sure.


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Having max cap space for 21 is a priority, but if we can get a max type player at a low cost next year then by all means we should sacrifice 21 space.

We need a big that can play high level defense and shoot 3s. And if Robinson can’t learn to play defense, we need a 3-and-D. We need to hold onto Jae and Goran. I assume we’ve given up on DJJ learning to shoot... at least on our cap space.... but if not that too should be a priority. I actually don’t think Bam learning to shoot is a particular priority. We run so much inside out offense thru him in the center of the court that having him sit outside even if our opponent were to respect the threat, it would set us back.

The only other thing that worries me is we have two high milage guys (Jimmy and Goran) who are both at an age that they could see sharp declines any year. We need to be careful that we Don’t ask more of them then they can realistically do. Also that we have a pipeline of talent that can help fill in some of the productivity gaps when they start their decline or need to have their minutes further reduced.


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I have to say I agree almost wholeheartedly. 2021 should remain priority, unless we can get an equivalent player now.

Jae & Goran need to be locked up for big numbers next year, with the expectation of softer 2021 numbers.

We do need players who can: a. Provide regular season relief for Jimmy & Goran, b. a big that can complement Bam and still be playable in the PO, and c. development from the youngsters (Herro/Duncan/Nunn/KZ/Silva) if they’re to be part of this thing long term - I think they all can, but they all need to improve in at least 1 area (D for a few). With the youth we already have, I don’t see the 20th as being one we use, unless we’re planning on moving at least one of the current group of 1-2 year players.

It really would have been nice to have gotten Gallo onboard, and it would have likely only been at a cost of Hill. Perhaps we resign Hill to a big 1-year deal with the understanding that he’s trade bait at the deadline. No one will give him anything big in this market, so that type of guaranteed money should be a no-brainer for him.

[3ballbomber]

Season isn't over yet, and there will be all kinds of option out there. But my guess is the next meaningful player we'll be one of these names :

Danillo Galinari (free agent in 2020)
Ibaka (free agent in 2020)
Jerami Grant (free agent in 2020)

Giannis (free agent in 2021)
Kawhi Leonard (free agent in 2021)
V.Oladipo (free agent in 2021)
Jrue Holiday (free agent in 2021)
Kyle Lowery (free agent in 2021)
Paul George (free agent in 2021)

Bradley Beal (free agent in 2022)
M.Turner (free agent in 2023)


The thing is - there's a huge advantage to adding a free agent as opposed to tradingfor a player under contract.

Let's say you think M.Turner better then Jerami Grant. But we could add Jermi to the current team if he wants to join us and we won't give up anything or anyone to add him.

But if you insist that you want Turner over him, that means we have to trade for him since he's under contract for a few more years. So in that can we'll probably lose Herro/Duncan/KZ/Iggy or some combination of those.

So even if you think Turner > J.Grant, Adding Grant as a free agent might be a lot better for the team if you're looking at the strength of the full roster and not individually about the added player.

Bottom line is - Im looking at those names, their ages, their free agency dates - And I'm praying Victor Oladipo fully recovers, becomes a beast again next year and then heads to free agency.

Giannis and Kawhi look like long shots to come here and Jrue getting up there in age. And I don't w ant to give up assets for turner or Beal.

Appreciate that explanation. I’m not too versed in the workings of FA’s/Contracts etc.

I also get 2020 & 2021 FA’s mixed up. I thought Giannis was available this offseason but it’s the following offseason Could we still trade for him this offseason as an option?

Knowing that now we need to stay competitive nxt season w/new additions. What ever will work while preserving cap space for 2021. Ibaka now looks appealing. Galinari wld certainly address our scoring issues. What are the chances of Miami acquiring Danillo this offseason?

We could trade for him if Bucks want to entertain an offer. Its not really in our best interests though, we’d field a better roster signing him outright vs. gutting assets in a trade. The reality for next season is that our hopes rest on Bam taking a KG type leap offensively. That next “whale” probably wont be available until next summer.

I don’t see him requesting a trade this offseason but in the event he does, what’s our move?

Bam’s ceiling's high. I can see him elevate his gm further. But we need a defensive big for when we face fakers. AD too much height for Bam.

[Wiltside]

I highly doubt Bam is going to be traded. Spo gushes about him, Riley talks about him like he's UD/Zo/DWade...he's not being dealt. I'd be shocked if we traded him for Embiid, even though right now, Joel is probably the superior player. Key word being right now - the leap Bam has taken in 1 season has been huge. Who says he can't do another next year?

I have to assume that the plan remains 2021. I think it'd be a mistake to cash in our chips for a short term 2020 fix in hopes it puts us in the title conversation, but I'm certainly happy to entertain upgrades of talent that expire in 2021. Not that I think Toronto would do us any solid, but Lowry sure would be handy. There was a little smoke about him and Ibaka earlier, would be nice if that was true.

As an example, something like Andre Igoudala, Kendrick Nunn and an opted-in Kelly Olynyk would work to fit Lowry in a trade. Whether Toronto would view that as enough of a return? Doubtful. Perhaps with Pick 20 attached it might get it done. Ibaka fits very well, but at his age, I don't think he's going to settle for a 1yr deal. Love to be wrong on that, as Serge could definitely help us, but that means we're likely out.

Would potentially give us a 2020 lineup of:

PG - Lowry / Dragic (both on 1yr deals)
SG - Robinson / Herro
SF - Butler / Crowder? Jones Jr? A low cost FA?
PF - Adebayo / Okpala?
C - Ibaka / Leonard?

Draymond Green has openly been talking up the virtues of Jae Crowder over our playoff run. I'd be surprised if the Dubs aren't keeping a close eye on him. Their cap situation must be squeezed, but they'd probably offer him MLE+ type money for multiple years to play on that squad given the fit. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.

It's going to be hard to see how we improve much in 2020-21 from a roster construction perspective. We'll need to bank on internal improvement, unless Riley has a little ace up his sleeve that we aren't aware of yet.

It's worth noting that the teams with the most likely cap space this offseason are New York, Detroit, Atlanta, Phoenix and us. Not exactly a whose who of prime destinations, so we would in theory have a reasonable pick of players to choose from. They've just got to accept it as a 1yr deal and reassess next offszn.

We simply have to be players in 2021 if we want to be legit. Unless AD is coming to SoBe, you have to be a player in the Giannis/Kawhi etc sweepstakes if you want to be a perennial contender.

[Chalm Down]

Lowry is too much of a fan favorite to get traded out of toronto imo. For a star player sure, but not anything we'd give up most likely

[3ballbomber]

Would potentially give us a 2020 lineup of:

PG - Lowry / Dragic (both on 1yr deals)
SG - Robinson / Herro
SF - Butler / Crowder? Jones Jr? A low cost FA?
PF - Adebayo / Okpala?
C - Ibaka / Leonard?

That line up wld have tied the series yesterday

[kidco2]

Tank next season, Clippers exit in second round again, Pat ringed Kawhi, Bam or Giannis/Kawhi/JB/Herro/top 3 pick in 2021.

[HeatingUp3]

Ibaka goin to ask a long term deal and it doesnt gonna happen.
We need a star mig man like Embid and he may ask to be traded. Thats a dream probebly. But we will be good. Miami gonna be a target for stars FA im telling you..

[puppa bear]

Tank next season, Clippers exit in second round again, Pat ringed Kawhi, Bam or Giannis/Kawhi/JB/Herro/top 3 pick in 2021.

We don’t have our pick next year, sorry.

It’s the last part of the Dragic deal, and will either be with Houston or OKC. It’s had quite a journey since 2015: Miami->Phoenix->Philly->LAC->Houston->OKC

[DayofMourning]

Tank next season, Clippers exit in second round again, Pat ringed Kawhi, Bam or Giannis/Kawhi/JB/Herro/top 3 pick in 2021.

We don’t have our pick next year, sorry.

It’s the last part of the Dragic deal, and will either be with Houston or OKC. It’s had quite a journey since 2015: Miami->Phoenix->Philly->LAC->Houston->OKC

Realgm had that pegged as the number one overall pick in 2021 and extremely valuable, lmfao. Culture baby.

[HeatIn5]

I see us going after a guard through either FA or trade, and then using pick 20 to pick a guy that will be the other big to bam.

Oturu, Smith, or Carey fit that mold.

Nunn, KO, 2025 protected 1st for Dipo

Goran and Jae back on inflated 1 year deals

Oladipo/Goran
Duncan/Herro
Jimmy/Igg
Jae/KZ
Bam/Oturu

2021 with Goran, Jae and Iggy all expiring you’re in perfect to spot for Giannis or Kawhi


Going to be VERY interesting to see what happens with DJJ RFA deal

[DayofMourning]

Heck, with how good we've done with draft picks recently, I'd just keep finding the guys with an edge to add to the team. Get me a guy who's a little crazy and will play his ass off.

Do we pay Jae, after watching him come back down to earth? He's going to want years on his contract.

Is KZ going to be ready?

[RexBoyWonder]

Heck, with how good we've done with draft picks recently, I'd just keep finding the guys with an edge to add to the team. Get me a guy who's a little crazy and will play his ass off.

Do we pay Jae, after watching him come back down to earth? He's going to want years on his contract.

Is KZ going to be ready?

1. I keep hyping KZ and it might be unrealistic, But I really think he's going to be key piece going forward :

He has great size, good athleticism, good overall IQ and a nice handle and shooting touch.
I think he's biggest weakness is his rawness, but that tends to fix itself with playing time. He's surrounded with high BBIQ players and a great coaching staff, I think he really a chance to become an important rotation player as soon as next year.

2. I don't think we'll keep DJJ. I like the kid, but to me his defense is overated.

He still makes too many mistakes, And he was unable to improve his 3 point shot or show any offensive improvement. And he couldn't get stronger. He's 24 to start next season, I think he's a marginal rotation player on a good team. Doesn't have a lot of room to improve and Not a player a desired team should spend cap space on IMO.

3. Crowder was expected to come back to earth after an amazing start, and he somewhat did.

He's good but we can't afford to overpay due to him overachieving for a few months. He's a useful piece to have, but not really a starter level player on a championship team. it's all about the $$$ and retaining cap space with him. A winning, tough big wing that you'd like have around, but not a player that has a starter position on lock.

4. About trading for Oladipo - the thing is - he doesn't look good coming back from a serious injury.

If he looked good I wouldn't mind giving up assets to get him a year before he become a free agent (this offseason instead of waiting for next offseason) But I seriously worry about trading for him only to see him struggle here for a full year and be left with 2 bad options : Let him walk for nothing after giving up assets to trade for him, or having to overpay him despite him disappointing here in the hopes he can bounce back after we extend him.

There's always the chance we trade for him and he looks amazing next year and it's totally worth giving up assets for. And It might help us keep him long term for a slightly cheaper long term contract. He just didn't look good this year...I see red flags...

[Kobewade11]

Heck, with how good we've done with draft picks recently, I'd just keep finding the guys with an edge to add to the team. Get me a guy who's a little crazy and will play his ass off.

Do we pay Jae, after watching him come back down to earth? He's going to want years on his contract.

Is KZ going to be ready?

I'd offer Crowder a lucrative one year deal and if he gets a better multi-yr deal elsewhere just wish him well. If we weren't worried about keeping the books clear for next summer I wouldn't be opposed to adding years to his deal, he defends well and has some toughness to him. But no question in my mind his shooting was aided by the bubble.

[MHeat0279]

I see us going after a guard through either FA or trade, and then using pick 20 to pick a guy that will be the other big to bam.

Oturu, Smith, or Carey fit that mold.

Nunn, KO, 2025 protected 1st for Dipo

Goran and Jae back on inflated 1 year deals

Oladipo/Goran
Duncan/Herro
Jimmy/Igg
Jae/KZ
Bam/Oturu

2021 with Goran, Jae and Iggy all expiring you’re in perfect to spot for Giannis or Kawhi


Going to be VERY interesting to see what happens with DJJ RFA deal

i like this idea.

[twix2500]

I rather have a veteran big next to bam that knows how to play his role. A draft picked player is not helping this team on high enough level no time soon.

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[Wiltside]

I rather have a veteran big next to bam that knows how to play his role. A draft picked player is not helping this team on high enough level no time soon.

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I keep saying, Aron Baynes would be perfect for that 5 spot for a year. Can stretch the floor, is solid defensively and has size. He’s also a really good screener and would suit our offense well.

[HeatIn5]

A draft picked player is not helping this team on high enough level no time soon.

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We literally just drafted Tyler Herro, picked up undrafted Nunn, Duncan and drafted Bam just a few years ago.... Bam who we were begging them to play more his rookie year.

What do you mean?


If anything I'd rather have a veteran guard next to Herro over one next to Bam

[HeatIn5]

Heck, with how good we've done with draft picks recently, I'd just keep finding the guys with an edge to add to the team. Get me a guy who's a little crazy and will play his ass off.

Do we pay Jae, after watching him come back down to earth? He's going to want years on his contract.

Is KZ going to be ready?

That's why we offer them inflated 1 year deals similar to the one JJ signed with Philly - like 1-20ish,

Could even add a 2nd year team option. If we happen to miss in 2021 and want to go to 2022 Jae gets an extra 20M out of it.

His best offer will probably be like 3-50. I feel like a 2-40 with us may be a better option with a chance to get a 3-50 again the following year.