HEAT vs MAGIC // 3.11.2023 /// 7p

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #381 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:50 am

Pharenheit wrote:I mean if you need paid shills/fan boys to defend you online why do you need to be defended in the first place? There shouldn’t need to be some kind of forced bond between the fans and Bam. When Bam actually achieves something with us that is worthwhile (like winning and performing in the playoffs), then fans will begin to naturally accept him.

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wade44 · Post #382 » by **wade44** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:53 am

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Pharenheit wrote:I mean if you need paid shills/fan boys to defend you online why do you need to be defended in the first place? There shouldn’t need to be some kind of forced bond between the fans and Bam. When Bam actually achieves something with us that is worthwhile (like winning and performing in the playoffs), then fans will begin to naturally accept him.

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As if Twitter opinions hold any weight LOL. Keep trying to force people to like Bam though your doing a great job

wade44 · Post #383 » by **wade44** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:56 am

If calling out Bammy for his one sided approach to anything Bam is trolling then so be it. His constant shilling is unbearable

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #384 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:26 am

Pharenheit wrote:If calling out Bammy for his one sided approach to anything Bam is trolling then so be it. His constant shilling is unbearable

You can talk **** all you want lol he’s just a player on my favorite team but at least be reasonable. The **** some of you say is just flat out wrong and is easily debunked if you just take 2 minutes and open your eyes lol. You all see a tough stretch of games and come out the woodworks saying he’s trash and a finished product and this and that and completely forget everything else he’s done this season. He’s been the ONE constant and he was an all star for a reason.

You guys are attacking the one guy that’s showed up majority of the season.

wade44 · Post #385 » by **wade44** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:47 am

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Pharenheit wrote:If calling out Bammy for his one sided approach to anything Bam is trolling then so be it. His constant shilling is unbearable

You can talk **** all you want lol he’s just a player on my favorite team but at least be reasonable. The **** some of you say is just flat out wrong and is easily debunked if you just take 2 minutes and open your eyes lol. You all see a tough stretch of games and come out the woodworks saying he’s trash and a finished product and this and that and completely forget everything else he’s done this season. He’s been the ONE constant and he was an all star for a reason.

You guys are attacking the one guy that’s showed up majority of the season.

I’ve opened my eyes and don’t like what I see. He’s made a lot of improvements but I’m not ready to call him a franchise guy until I see that he can make the 3 consistently or can recruit someone of worth to Miami two of which likely won’t happen

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #386 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:49 am

Pharenheit wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Pharenheit wrote:If calling out Bammy for his one sided approach to anything Bam is trolling then so be it. His constant shilling is unbearable

You can talk **** all you want lol he’s just a player on my favorite team but at least be reasonable. The **** some of you say is just flat out wrong and is easily debunked if you just take 2 minutes and open your eyes lol. You all see a tough stretch of games and come out the woodworks saying he’s trash and a finished product and this and that and completely forget everything else he’s done this season. He’s been the ONE constant and he was an all star for a reason.

You guys are attacking the one guy that’s showed up majority of the season.

I’ve opened my eyes and don’t like what I see. He’s made a lot of improvements but I’m not ready to call him a franchise guy until I see that he can make the 3 consistently or can recruit someone of worth to Miami two of which likely won’t happen

Enjoy your night brother, we’ll revisit in 10 years

Jfh20 · Post #387 » by **Jfh20** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:56 am

Pharenheit wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Pharenheit wrote:If calling out Bammy for his one sided approach to anything Bam is trolling then so be it. His constant shilling is unbearable

You can talk **** all you want lol he’s just a player on my favorite team but at least be reasonable. The **** some of you say is just flat out wrong and is easily debunked if you just take 2 minutes and open your eyes lol. You all see a tough stretch of games and come out the woodworks saying he’s trash and a finished product and this and that and completely forget everything else he’s done this season. He’s been the ONE constant and he was an all star for a reason.

You guys are attacking the one guy that’s showed up majority of the season.

I’ve opened my eyes and don’t like what I see. He’s made a lot of improvements but I’m not ready to call him a franchise guy until I see that he can make the 3 consistently or can recruit someone of worth to Miami two of which likely won’t happen

hes not a franchise guy, not even close. no one we draft, since wade, has been a franchise guy or even close to it... and apparently riley had to be convinced to take wade, he wanted another bust as well (kaman) or something. I think it could also be spo making these picks, youd think riley would give him some leeway to building his own teams... and just take who the coach wants. We need to clean house.

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #388 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:58 am

Jfh20 wrote:
Pharenheit wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
You can talk **** all you want lol he’s just a player on my favorite team but at least be reasonable. The **** some of you say is just flat out wrong and is easily debunked if you just take 2 minutes and open your eyes lol. You all see a tough stretch of games and come out the woodworks saying he’s trash and a finished product and this and that and completely forget everything else he’s done this season. He’s been the ONE constant and he was an all star for a reason.

You guys are attacking the one guy that’s showed up majority of the season.

I’ve opened my eyes and don’t like what I see. He’s made a lot of improvements but I’m not ready to call him a franchise guy until I see that he can make the 3 consistently or can recruit someone of worth to Miami two of which likely won’t happen

hes not a franchise guy, not even close. no one we draft, since wade, has been a franchise guy or even close to it... and apparently riley had to be convinced to take wade, he wanted another bust as well (kaman) or something. I think it could also be spo making these picks, youd think riley would give him some leeway to building his own teams... and just take who the coach wants. We need to clean house.

Who would you have drafted over Bam and Herro in their spots?

wade44 · Post #389 » by **wade44** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:02 am

I genuinely hope I’m wrong on Bam and that he can be that guy. But which star player doesn’t shoot 3s in todays nba. It’s essentially a prerequisite in todays game

Jfh20 · Post #390 » by **Jfh20** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:05 am

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Jfh20 wrote:
Pharenheit wrote:
I’ve opened my eyes and don’t like what I see. He’s made a lot of improvements but I’m not ready to call him a franchise guy until I see that he can make the 3 consistently or can recruit someone of worth to Miami two of which likely won’t happen

hes not a franchise guy, not even close. no one we draft, since wade, has been a franchise guy or even close to it... and apparently riley had to be convinced to take wade, he wanted another bust as well (kaman) or something. I think it could also be spo making these picks, youd think riley would give him some leeway to building his own teams... and just take who the coach wants. We need to clean house.

Who would you have drafted over Bam and Herro in their spots?

theres really no one to take at those spots... but i would of trade up for donovan mitchell.

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #391 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:06 am

Pharenheit wrote:I genuinely hope I’m wrong on Bam and that he can be that guy. But which star player doesn’t shoot 3s in todays nba. It’s essentially a prerequisite in todays game

Give it time, he’s working on it and for some of these guys shooting 3s, they shouldn’t. They’re bailing the defense out every time they do.

He’s an all star, no one is saying he’s a superstar top 5 player but he can absolutely be the 2nd or 3rd best player on a championship team. Hell, he probably already would be if not for injury.

He will continue to improve.

wade44 · Post #392 » by **wade44** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:08 am

Jfh20 wrote:
Pharenheit wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
You can talk **** all you want lol he’s just a player on my favorite team but at least be reasonable. The **** some of you say is just flat out wrong and is easily debunked if you just take 2 minutes and open your eyes lol. You all see a tough stretch of games and come out the woodworks saying he’s trash and a finished product and this and that and completely forget everything else he’s done this season. He’s been the ONE constant and he was an all star for a reason.

You guys are attacking the one guy that’s showed up majority of the season.

I’ve opened my eyes and don’t like what I see. He’s made a lot of improvements but I’m not ready to call him a franchise guy until I see that he can make the 3 consistently or can recruit someone of worth to Miami two of which likely won’t happen

hes not a franchise guy, not even close. no one we draft, since wade, has been a franchise guy or even close to it... and apparently riley had to be convinced to take wade, he wanted another bust as well (kaman) or something. I think it could also be spo making these picks, youd think riley would give him some leeway to building his own teams... and just take who the coach wants. We need to clean house.

If you’re right then we will just waste years and resources as a franchise on him thinking he’s the guy. Unsure what the outcome will be but That’s the way it’s been trending since he self proclaimed that he wants to be a Heat lifer a while back

Jfh20 · Post #393 » by **Jfh20** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:16 am

Pharenheit wrote:
Jfh20 wrote:
Pharenheit wrote:
I’ve opened my eyes and don’t like what I see. He’s made a lot of improvements but I’m not ready to call him a franchise guy until I see that he can make the 3 consistently or can recruit someone of worth to Miami two of which likely won’t happen

hes not a franchise guy, not even close. no one we draft, since wade, has been a franchise guy or even close to it... and apparently riley had to be convinced to take wade, he wanted another bust as well (kaman) or something. I think it could also be spo making these picks, youd think riley would give him some leeway to building his own teams... and just take who the coach wants. We need to clean house.

If you’re right then we will just waste years and resources as a franchise on him thinking he’s the guy. Unsure what the outcome will be but That’s the way it’s been trending since he self proclaimed that he wants to be a Heat lifer a while back

ya ive known for years bam was not the answer... he folded in the finals against the lakers and got mauled... it was embarrassing. undersized, unskilled... just a good solid defender with a strong motor and athleticism. his offensive game is too weak to compete in this nba.

rate_ · Post #394 » by **rate_** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:17 am

Bam is 3rd option potential on a championship team. The problem is that Miami doesn’t have a legit sidekick for Jimmy come playoffs.

Shewasfly · Post #395 » by **Shewasfly** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:41 am

Pharenheit wrote:I genuinely hope I’m wrong on Bam and that he can be that guy. But which star player doesn’t shoot 3s in todays nba. It’s essentially a prerequisite in todays game

You've been on point with your posts, but I disagree with the last sentence. Wade would be just as dominant today not shooting 3s. And of course we all know Giannis is the best player in the league while being a horrid 3 point shooter.

But I know what the response will be for that: "Wade was a generational talent/Giannis is a freak of nature, that's too high of a standard to go by" which I will concede. But you know who isn't a generational talent who can be first option and dominate when he wants to without 3s? Jimmy Butler. It was actually funny watching people turn Jimmy's blase approach into the worst thing ever, when the fact that Jimmy can give you 25-30 while looking like he's not giving af, is a testament to how great he is.

Since last year, when I was actually one of the biggest defenders of Bam, I thought Bam could have that same approach. So I was one of the loudest ones saying Bam doesn't need to develop a 3. I thought he can just be a bully downlow and be a source of constant rim pressure. One that we could dump the ball down to and generate 2 points, easy. And further more be something in the offense that could actually help pull defenders away from our shooters/supporting cast, the way that stars do for their teammates.

But that hasn't been the case. Bam has improved on offense, but the way that Bam scores, has none of those desired effects. Since we all love twitter threads, there was a twitter thread on it that was posted previously. I wish I was on that platform to find it. But the gist is, he scores inside, but he's more finesse than anything, and the defense often doesn't have to move much to defend him. They are okay with single covered contested mid range jumpers in the paint, even if he can now make them at a decent clip. Basically, it doesn't move the needle in the way I'd hoped.

All that is to say, the realization that I've come to that we all need to eventually come to, is that what is hampering Bam and is a part of what hurts this offense, is that he's not a C. But he is forced to play as one because of his offensive and other limitations. The way that Bam scores has further solidified himself as a PF, and so your conclusion that he must develop a 3 is correct. This does not get into how defensively him at C is also a detriment, since he is not a good rebounder and absolutely cannot hang with defending bigger, stronger players without help.

Trapstar3 · Post #396 » by **Trapstar3** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:43 am

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
S/O to TS3 hating from the shadows by the way

Liking other people's posts that call you out is considered "hating" now?

Although I must admit, I do hate your annoying ass. :lol:

Post #397 » by **Wiltside** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:03 am

If we can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all. Getting pretty tired of having to trawl through this chit and clean it up.

3ballbomber · Post #398 » by **3ballbomber** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:32 pm

Wiltside wrote:If we can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all. Getting pretty tired of having to trawl through this chit and clean it up.

Well posters are sick of doing the right thing, blocking idiots only to still be able to see their dumb ass posts through quotes. That's a board issue not the poster.

3ammy3uck3ts · Post #399 » by **3ammy3uck3ts** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:48 pm

You all crack me up, I could say Bam is averaging 21 PPG and you all would go off on some wild rant about how wrong I am :lol:

That’s essentially what this is. Everything I say I back with the stats and facts.

Get all that hate out of your heart and appreciate your franchise player while you can. Imagine hating a guy who wants to be here for like 10 more years until retirement who’s a 20-10 guy, top of the world level defender, and multiple time all star just because he isn’t LeBron or Giannis lol

Pokuokic · Post #400 » by **Pokuokic** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:02 pm

If I'm the Denver Nuggets I'm offering Murray/Gordan+ picks for Bam/Herro (Herro does not even need to be part of the deal, would even take Lowry's expiring deal) or filler next season your not getting a better fit next to Jokic and it's a amazing fit for Bam as well if the Heat/Heat fans don't think he's a franchise guy.