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**NBA Draft Discussion 2025**

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Who's the guard pick if all available at 20?

Poll ended at Thu Jun 26, 2025 1:35 pm

Jase Richardson
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Nolan Traore
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Walter Clayton Jr
14
61%
Ben Saraf
3
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Post#381 » by greg4012 » Fri Apr 4, 2025 5:31 pm

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What do you see as an upside scenario for Jase? I very much enjoy the player and am confident he can be a productive NBA player, but I struggle with seeing the paths to scaled up production at the NBA level
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2025** 

Post#382 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri Apr 4, 2025 5:48 pm

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Conductor on the Jase Richardson hype train


What do you see as an upside scenario for Jase? I very much enjoy the player and am confident he can be a productive NBA player, but I struggle with seeing the paths to scaled up production at the NBA level

Guess we could hope for Jalen Brunson type
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Post#383 » by greg4012 » Fri Apr 4, 2025 6:25 pm

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Conductor on the Jase Richardson hype train


What do you see as an upside scenario for Jase? I very much enjoy the player and am confident he can be a productive NBA player, but I struggle with seeing the paths to scaled up production at the NBA level

Guess we could hope for Jalen Brunson type


Man what a steal that would be!

I def don't want to bet against it, but I obviously can't expect it either.

I'm pretty confident in Jase's floor despite his size. His touch is for real--he's good at all 3 levels and the FT line. And he just plays a really smart team floor game--always exploiting space created and operating in a super coordinate manner in tight spaces.

He's undersized for his largely off-ball guard game at around 6'3, but I have a feeling that he'll have at least a 6'6 wingspan. Jase is strange because he seems to have a short neck and small head. Still likely limited to just a guard defender.

The less likely Miami is to have a top 10 pick, the easier it is for me to be confidently IN on Jase. I have him right around 11-12 on my personal board currently (5th among guards).

I definitely still have unanswered concerns due to his size paired with his largely off-ball role at MSU (and even in HS). He created less than half of his own offense--around 45% self-created--along with a 15% assist %. For comparison, as a Sophomore--about the same age as Jase as Fr--Brunson created 73% of his own offense and had a 26% assist percentage.

Encouraging point: Jase was in the 96th percentile as PnR ballhandler this season (he just wasn't frequently the primary ballhandler for his team).

I def expect the Heat to work him out and I'm rooting for him to blow them away and show more of his on-ball game.
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Post#384 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri Apr 4, 2025 6:35 pm

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Let’s not forget he’s also the son of former NBA player Jason Richardson. He’ll be prepared day one for the NBA
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Re: **NBA Draft Discussion 2025** 

Post#385 » by dshearn » Fri Apr 4, 2025 7:00 pm

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Conductor on the Jase Richardson hype train


What do you see as an upside scenario for Jase? I very much enjoy the player and am confident he can be a productive NBA player, but I struggle with seeing the paths to scaled up production at the NBA level



The Twitter post linked says his upside comparison is a mini sized Tyler Herro. All his shooting stats are better than Tyler, but Tyler had twice the DWS. Of course Tyler took more unassisted shots.
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Post#386 » by greg4012 » Fri Apr 4, 2025 9:40 pm

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Conductor on the Jase Richardson hype train


What do you see as an upside scenario for Jase? I very much enjoy the player and am confident he can be a productive NBA player, but I struggle with seeing the paths to scaled up production at the NBA level



The Twitter post linked says his upside comparison is a mini sized Tyler Herro. All his shooting stats are better than Tyler, but Tyler had twice the DWS. Of course Tyler took more unassisted shots.


Yea it's hard to find precedent for the upside case we hope for with Jase that has as low of a rate of self-created offense and as low of a rate of 3pt shooting. The best (and one of the only) upside parallel I've been able to find is Bradley Beal at Florida with 45% of his offense self-created and a 13% assist percentage. Beal still put up the 3 ball at a higher rate, but was less efficient.

Jase is pretty unique. The downside statistical prospect comp is a player like Frank Jackson (teammate of Tatum and Kennard at Duke)
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Post#387 » by dshearn » Fri Apr 4, 2025 11:02 pm

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What do you see as an upside scenario for Jase? I very much enjoy the player and am confident he can be a productive NBA player, but I struggle with seeing the paths to scaled up production at the NBA level



The Twitter post linked says his upside comparison is a mini sized Tyler Herro. All his shooting stats are better than Tyler, but Tyler had twice the DWS. Of course Tyler took more unassisted shots.


Yea it's hard to find precedent for the upside case we hope for with Jase that has as low of a rate of self-created offense and as low of a rate of 3pt shooting. The best (and one of the only) upside parallel I've been able to find is Bradley Beal at Florida with 45% of his offense self-created and a 13% assist percentage. Beal still put up the 3 ball at a higher rate, but was less efficient.

Jase is pretty unique. The downside statistical prospect comp is a player like Frank Jackson (teammate of Tatum and Kennard at Duke)


If he was another Tyler Herro that would not be the end of the world...but I get the feeling alot of us want the actual Tyler Herro to take that off-ball roll

But...I suspect not a ton of people will have legitimate complaints about an added all-star-ish level shooter sitting on the roster.
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Post#388 » by lastb1ckman » Sat Apr 5, 2025 12:12 am

It's kinda funny how both Tre Johnson and Jase Richardson are getting Herro comparisons. Imo Tre Johnson is more like current Herro, while Jase is more like 6th man of the year off ball era Herro. If it came down to it who would work better on the Heat?
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Post#389 » by lastb1ckman » Sat Apr 5, 2025 12:25 am

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Conductor on the Jase Richardson hype train


What do you see as an upside scenario for Jase? I very much enjoy the player and am confident he can be a productive NBA player, but I struggle with seeing the paths to scaled up production at the NBA level


Also Herro and Tony Parker are two very different guards lol. Might as well say Steve Nash/Monta Ellis
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Post#390 » by MettaWorldPanda » Sat Apr 5, 2025 2:44 am

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Must read thread above on Jase. One of the best breakdowns out there predraft.
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Post#391 » by Beenie » Sat Apr 5, 2025 5:34 am

Jase reminds me of Eric Gordon
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Post#392 » by dshearn » Sat Apr 5, 2025 5:37 am

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I don't know what you call that in Basketball, but in Boxing it is called a flare step. The dude has feet like a boxer, he is controlling the cut off angle as he accelerates side to side.

Dude has some of the smoothest feet I think you have ever posted.


Exaxtly. Hes got crazy quick movements and acceleration. Twiiitchy.

Hes a high level passer too.

I mean those two attributes alone got me excited.

The Heat scouts said they look to see if you have one standout skill that will help the team. This dude has a few.


Watched just about everything posted on YouTube about the guy...for crazy a fast guy...he really has some of that Luka slow-man game. I did not see any of that old school John Wall wait for the switch and just blow between them type stuff...but you could kinda just see how that might work for him.


Another thing, you notice how he takes 3 pointers with both his left hand...and...his right hand(unless the video was just flipped)? Same with passing. He is left hand dominant, but the dude is good enough to make pretty damn accurate no look passes with his right hand too.

He is probably usable from day one, but a few years with a shooting coach and getting him to hammer down his best shooting form and he probably is one of them dudes who is a better Pro then he was in school. On top of that CLEARLY he could fish for fouls wayyyyy more often.
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Post#393 » by DayofMourning » Sat Apr 5, 2025 7:23 pm

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I don't know what you call that in Basketball, but in Boxing it is called a flare step. The dude has feet like a boxer, he is controlling the cut off angle as he accelerates side to side.

Dude has some of the smoothest feet I think you have ever posted.


Exaxtly. Hes got crazy quick movements and acceleration. Twiiitchy.

Hes a high level passer too.

I mean those two attributes alone got me excited.

The Heat scouts said they look to see if you have one standout skill that will help the team. This dude has a few.


Watched just about everything posted on YouTube about the guy...for crazy a fast guy...he really has some of that Luka slow-man game. I did not see any of that old school John Wall wait for the switch and just blow between them type stuff...but you could kinda just see how that might work for him.


Another thing, you notice how he takes 3 pointers with both his left hand...and...his right hand(unless the video was just flipped)? Same with passing. He is left hand dominant, but the dude is good enough to make pretty damn accurate no look passes with his right hand too.

He is probably usable from day one, but a few years with a shooting coach and getting him to hammer down his best shooting form and he probably is one of them dudes who is a better Pro then he was in school. On top of that CLEARLY he could fish for fouls wayyyyy more often.


As most draftees, he will need to build consistency.

One thing coaches know how to do today is teach dudes how to shoot.

I look at his speed and see a guy who will be able to get in to the paint often. Having both our points be able to do that at a high level opens up the offense.

18 pts and 8 ast per 36 with poor percentages leaves a ton of room to grow. His form looks fine on his shot. If he can find his spots then his innate attributes have me thinking he could surprise.
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Post#394 » by Wiltside » Sat Apr 5, 2025 9:25 pm

I can see the Brunson comparisons with Jase, although he’s probably not as crafty and is more athletic.

Hopefully we will get a choice of one of either Richardson or Fears. Both would fit what we’re missing. I think Spo would like the on/off ball versatility of a guy like Jase though.
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Post#396 » by MettaWorldPanda » Sun Apr 6, 2025 12:56 am

DayofMourning wrote:https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-basketball/florida/news/walter-clayton-jr-nba-mock-draft-scouting-report-florida-star/569edc8d504912fe1c9d46e2

Walter with a monster game tonight to will Florida to the chip game.

He’s going to give us another option in that early teens lottery spot. Been calling him baby Steph Curry all tournament
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Post#397 » by DayofMourning » Sun Apr 6, 2025 1:19 am

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DayofMourning wrote:https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-basketball/florida/news/walter-clayton-jr-nba-mock-draft-scouting-report-florida-star/569edc8d504912fe1c9d46e2

Walter with a monster game tonight to will Florida to the chip game.

He’s going to give us another option in that early teens lottery spot. Been calling him baby Steph Curry all tournament


Hes had an awesome tourney. Really putting the ball in the basket.

Im intrigued.
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Post#398 » by DayofMourning » Sun Apr 6, 2025 11:57 am

Multiple missed opportunities in the final 2 mins by Duke. Thought they were a team of destiny.
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Post#399 » by greg4012 » Sun Apr 6, 2025 5:43 pm

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Tre Johnson is the best shooter in this draft class.
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Post#400 » by MettaWorldPanda » Sun Apr 6, 2025 9:28 pm

DayofMourning wrote:Multiple missed opportunities in the final 2 mins by Duke. Thought they were a team of destiny.

Gators are the team of destiny

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