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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#381 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri May 23, 2025 2:34 pm

twix2500 wrote:Best place to trade Wiggins is LA

That will be for the Suns to decide after the Durant deal.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#382 » by twix2500 » Fri May 23, 2025 2:42 pm

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twix2500 wrote:Best place to trade Wiggins is LA
for whom gabe?
Split him up for two or 3 vet role players. Like Rui or some others maybe Vincent

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#383 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri May 23, 2025 2:50 pm

twix2500 wrote:
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twix2500 wrote:Best place to trade Wiggins is LA
for whom gabe?
Split him up for two or 3 vet role players. Like Rui or some others maybe Vincent

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Rui and Vincent make the numbers work. They will be great fits in Phoenix
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#384 » by Flash4thewin » Fri May 23, 2025 2:51 pm

twix2500 wrote:Best place to trade Wiggins is LA


Nah they need an athletic defensive center. If we do want to rebuild lets gift them Bam and get the first pick next year, the Mavs have shown us the way :wink:
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#385 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri May 23, 2025 3:11 pm

Wiggins is a good fit in LA and Dallas. PJ Washington and Martin coming back here also work or they also work for the Suns too. Seems like Suns have plenty of options to deal Wiggins. Good asset they are getting for Durant.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#386 » by twix2500 » Fri May 23, 2025 3:41 pm

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twix2500 wrote:Best place to trade Wiggins is LA


Nah they need an athletic defensive center. If we do want to rebuild lets gift them Bam and get the first pick next year, the Mavs have shown us the way :wink:
Lakers need more than just a center.

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#387 » by greg4012 » Fri May 23, 2025 3:43 pm

twix2500 wrote:
Flash4thewin wrote:
twix2500 wrote:Best place to trade Wiggins is LA


Nah they need an athletic defensive center. If we do want to rebuild lets gift them Bam and get the first pick next year, the Mavs have shown us the way :wink:
Lakers need more than just a center.

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And the Lakers have sh|t for assets to trade.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#388 » by RexBoyWonder » Fri May 23, 2025 4:00 pm

nobody wants beta Wiggins on that contract.

Only way to trade him is to take on chit contracts in return.


Such an awful return for Jimmy, could set us back years. If we acted with some foresight could have gotten so much more for him.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#389 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri May 23, 2025 4:25 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:nobody wants beta Wiggins on that contract.

Only way to trade him is to take on chit contracts in return.


Such an awful return for Jimmy, could set us back years. If we acted with some foresight could have gotten so much more for him.

You do know he has only 2 years left on his deal and one being a player option. He’s also well liked around the league and till this day everyone on the Warriors stresses how much they miss him. He was a bad fit here plain and simple. His contract is extremely tradeable in the right deal.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#390 » by Vertical Limit » Fri May 23, 2025 4:40 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:nobody wants beta Wiggins on that contract.

Only way to trade him is to take on chit contracts in return.


Such an awful return for Jimmy, could set us back years. If we acted with some foresight could have gotten so much more for him.

Warrior fans on their board seem to think he is the missing piece next season. If they call, we must demand expirings for it. I dont even care about getting any pick for him, just expirings and im good with it. They may have to trade picks to a third team to get it done, it is what it is.

They have let go of gp3 to portland before just to trade for him back to gsw within 3 months.. wouldnt put it past them to try to get Wiggins back
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#391 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri May 23, 2025 4:58 pm

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RexBoyWonder wrote:nobody wants beta Wiggins on that contract.

Only way to trade him is to take on chit contracts in return.


Such an awful return for Jimmy, could set us back years. If we acted with some foresight could have gotten so much more for him.

Warrior fans on their board seem to think he is the missing piece next season. If they call, we must demand expirings for it. I dont even care about getting any pick for him, just expirings and im good with it. They may have to trade picks to a third team to get it done, it is what it is.

They have let go of gp3 to portland before just to trade for him back to gsw within 3 months.. wouldnt put it past them to try to get Wiggins back

I don’t think he ends up back on the Warriors but he’ll be back on a team in the West. LA and Dallas are both great fits. Dallas he gets to reunite with Klay. Much better fit at SF over PJ Washington who should be playing the 4 spot.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#392 » by Flash4thewin » Fri May 23, 2025 5:11 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:nobody wants beta Wiggins on that contract.

Only way to trade him is to take on chit contracts in return.


Such an awful return for Jimmy, could set us back years. If we acted with some foresight could have gotten so much more for him.

You do know he has only 2 years left on his deal and one being a player option. He’s also well liked around the league and till this day everyone on the Warriors stresses how much they miss him. He was a bad fit here plain and simple. His contract is extremely tradeable in the right deal.

The problem is because he is such a bad fit expect pennies on the dollar in any trade. Our players all took a huge hit to their reputations these playoffs. Everyone looked worse than they are and that will unfortunately be reflected on any trade proposal. We would need at least a huge turn around on his play next year to look at getting a good return in a trade.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#393 » by twix2500 » Fri May 23, 2025 5:26 pm

greg4012 wrote:
twix2500 wrote:
Flash4thewin wrote:
Nah they need an athletic defensive center. If we do want to rebuild lets gift them Bam and get the first pick next year, the Mavs have shown us the way :wink:
Lakers need more than just a center.

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And the Lakers have sh|t for assets to trade.
Me personally I'm willing to move Wiggins for veteran backups and push all the young players to the top 7 or 8 in the rotation. Vets who can guide the young players but not required to start.

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#394 » by twix2500 » Fri May 23, 2025 5:33 pm

Unless the Heat are trading for a cornerstone player i want to continue developing the young players.

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#395 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri May 23, 2025 5:35 pm

Flash4thewin wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:nobody wants beta Wiggins on that contract.

Only way to trade him is to take on chit contracts in return.


Such an awful return for Jimmy, could set us back years. If we acted with some foresight could have gotten so much more for him.

You do know he has only 2 years left on his deal and one being a player option. He’s also well liked around the league and till this day everyone on the Warriors stresses how much they miss him. He was a bad fit here plain and simple. His contract is extremely tradeable in the right deal.

The problem is because he is such a bad fit expect pennies on the dollar in any trade. Our players all took a huge hit to their reputations these playoffs. Everyone looked worse than they are and that will unfortunately be reflected on any trade proposal. We would need at least a huge turn around on his play next year to look at getting a good return in a trade.

We won’t get pennies on the dollar. We will get equal value in return for Wiggins body of work. Not saying it’s going to be a haul but his contract is perfect for sending out in a Durant deal or for some expiring vets who would be better fits here. Some of you are down playing Wiggins value in the league way too much. Playoff teams who need a defensive 3 to play a role like he did with Golden State will be all over him.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#396 » by greg4012 » Fri May 23, 2025 5:38 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
Flash4thewin wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:You do know he has only 2 years left on his deal and one being a player option. He’s also well liked around the league and till this day everyone on the Warriors stresses how much they miss him. He was a bad fit here plain and simple. His contract is extremely tradeable in the right deal.

The problem is because he is such a bad fit expect pennies on the dollar in any trade. Our players all took a huge hit to their reputations these playoffs. Everyone looked worse than they are and that will unfortunately be reflected on any trade proposal. We would need at least a huge turn around on his play next year to look at getting a good return in a trade.

We won’t get pennies on the dollar. We will get equal value in return for Wiggins body of work. Not saying it’s going to be a haul but his contract is perfect for sending out in a Durant deal or for some expiring vets who would be better fits here. Some of you are down playing Wiggins value in the league way too much. Playoff teams who need a defensive 3 to play a role like he did with Golden State will be all over him.


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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#397 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri May 23, 2025 6:26 pm

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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#398 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Fri May 23, 2025 6:48 pm

greg4012 wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:
Flash4thewin wrote:The problem is because he is such a bad fit expect pennies on the dollar in any trade. Our players all took a huge hit to their reputations these playoffs. Everyone looked worse than they are and that will unfortunately be reflected on any trade proposal. We would need at least a huge turn around on his play next year to look at getting a good return in a trade.

We won’t get pennies on the dollar. We will get equal value in return for Wiggins body of work. Not saying it’s going to be a haul but his contract is perfect for sending out in a Durant deal or for some expiring vets who would be better fits here. Some of you are down playing Wiggins value in the league way too much. Playoff teams who need a defensive 3 to play a role like he did with Golden State will be all over him.


Our fanbase is steadfast in marketing any player on the roster as being terrible and worthless. It's what the group does best.


We operate on 1 game sample sizes, when Wiggins had 42 he was the best player to ever wear a Heat Jersey
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Re: 2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#399 » by SerialChiller » Fri May 23, 2025 6:50 pm

Here's one for ya Bammy....how many defenders can they try and shove in front of him lmao!

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Here's who would have won based on votes:

OG Anunoby
Bam Adebayo
Derrick White
Giannis Antetokoumpo
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander

If you care, here's who I think should make all-defense 3rd team:

Derrick White
Andrew Nembhard
Kris Dunn
Jaden McDaniels
OG Anunoby

(honourable mention: Tatum, Caruso, Cason Wallace, iHart, Dillon Brooks, Ausar, Suggs, Goga, NAW)
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Post#400 » by cupcakesnake » Fri May 23, 2025 6:57 pm

SerialChiller wrote:Here's one for ya Bammy....how many defenders can they try and shove in front of him lmao!

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cupcakesnake wrote:This award doesn't exist, but it should.

Here's who would have won based on votes:

OG Anunoby
Bam Adebayo
Derrick White
Giannis Antetokoumpo
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander

If you care, here's who I think should make all-defense 3rd team:

Derrick White
Andrew Nembhard
Kris Dunn
Jaden McDaniels
OG Anunoby

(honourable mention: Tatum, Caruso, Cason Wallace, iHart, Dillon Brooks, Ausar, Suggs, Goga, NAW)

Oh yeah I should have had Bambam in the honourable mentions.

That all being said, objectively Bam did not have a good defensive season this year. Guys simply scored on him at a much higher rate as he posted the worst fg% differential and rim% differential of his career. Opponents shot 2.5% better(!) at the rim with Bam as the nearest defender (last year is was -6% worse). His rim defense simply sucked. He wasn't moving the needle as a do-it-all force for Miami either, in terms of on/off. Even his vaunted switching numbers were down.
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