MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021

[TroubleS0me]

Priority for the offseason is scoring
we struggled
Beal would be great, hes not doing too bad vs sixers in this series...

[Bishop45]

Good job op, gotta keep the devil down in the hole

[EMC5466]

Spoiler:

Adding a scorer with Bam doesn't benefit the Heat? CJ is an outside shooter who averaged 23 ppg, shot 40% from 3pt range and had 4.7 assists plus he's 2 years younger then Butler. It seems like a nice small reset by getting a little younger around Bam.

I don't know what you guys think you're going to get out of Butler if Miami tries to trade him, he'll be 32 at the start of next season, the only teams that will want him will be contenders and with that, they'll try to send multiple lesser players for him and maybe a young asset or draft pick. Your FO has wasted 2 full years with Butler with the 2021 plan, congratulations.

What I actually think will happen is Oladipo, Dragic, Ariza and Dedmon are retained. I also believe Miami will do a sign and trade for someone like Lowry, L.Bell or even DeRozan. DeRozan is logical since he's been playing PF for San Antonio.

It's actually possible to see these 3 all together in Miami which would let the team compete for a championship for a couple of years and then build around Bam...

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CJ + Bam takes this team to the 12th seed.

Lowry, Derozan, and Butler competing for a championship - what year is this? If that’s the best we can do, Butler should be sent somewhere he can actually compete and that will get us a haul to kickstart a rebuild.

Who in the hell is giving a "haul" for Butler? Philly got J.Richardson for him. Minnesota got Saric, Covington and a 2nd for him but now that he's near the end of his prime, almost 32 years old, Miami is going to get a haul for him? I really don't think so. I'm a huge Butler fan but I'm also realistic on what he can fetch. I could see Thibodeau and the Knicks asking if he's available, not sure what they'd give other then a 1st and someone like Knox or Mitchell, maybe both.

I think I would take that Knicks offer. I want no part of a long term contract extension with Jimmy, we can’t be paying him $50m when he’s 35/36.

[contract]

Spoiler:

CJ + Bam takes this team to the 12th seed.

Lowry, Derozan, and Butler competing for a championship - what year is this? If that’s the best we can do, Butler should be sent somewhere he can actually compete and that will get us a haul to kickstart a rebuild.

Who in the hell is giving a "haul" for Butler? Philly got J.Richardson for him. Minnesota got Saric, Covington and a 2nd for him but now that he's near the end of his prime, almost 32 years old, Miami is going to get a haul for him? I really don't think so. I'm a huge Butler fan but I'm also realistic on what he can fetch. I could see Thibodeau and the Knicks asking if he's available, not sure what they'd give other then a 1st and someone like Knox or Mitchell, maybe both.

I think I would take that Knicks offer. I want no part of a long term contract extension with Jimmy, we can’t be paying him $50m when he’s 35/36.

It's important to keep an eye on the cap, but you also have to keep your eye on the talent level. If we can't replace him with comparable talent, then who are you preserving that cap space for?

[Slot Machine]

The problem with keeping Jimmy is, where is our team’s window? As Bam (hopefully) improves as he gets older, will that be enough to offset Butler’s decline? Signing Butler to that extension will clog our cap through Bam’s prime also.

To me, you either trade Bam to try to win now at all costs with Butler (and extend Butler) or you trade Butler to reload around Bam and potentially Herro, in an attempt to compete in a few years. Our window slammed shut when Harden went to BK and I don’t really see a Bam trade to net us a star that puts us into BK’s stratosphere.

I think we’ll ultimately end up keeping both and playing a more middle ground, with a mediocre playoff team for a few years. Continuing to compete may make more sense for the Heat and Arison’s financials so I understand that. But on strictly basketball terms, I don’t see any way to rebuild this team into a contender with the problems that we are facing.

[IggieCC]

[contract]

Eh I'm not worried about rebuilding for a few years. Better than being stuck in purgatory for a number of years like we were after the big 3. Miami is always going to be a top free agent destination

Way I see it, Butler's game is going to age badly going into his mid-thirties and his injuries are concerning. If he wants to be paid as much as is rumored, you strike while the iron is hot. Love Jimmy but may be time to accept that he & Miami are at a crossroads

That's fine as long as we know what we're signing up for. Rebuilds take years and usually end in failure or mediocrity.

Personally I'd rather rebuild while Jimmy is eating away 30% of our cap in the last couple of years of an extension. It's not like you need that cap space for guys on rookie deals.

[contract]

The problem with keeping Jimmy is, where is our team’s window? As Bam (hopefully) improves as he gets older, will that be enough to offset Butler’s decline? Signing Butler to that extension will clog our cap through Bam’s prime also.

To me, you either trade Bam to try to win now at all costs with Butler (and extend Butler) or you trade Butler to reload around Bam and potentially Herro, in an attempt to compete in a few years. Our window slammed shut when Harden went to BK and I don’t really see a Bam trade to net us a star that puts us into BK’s stratosphere.

I think we’ll ultimately end up keeping both and playing a more middle ground, with a mediocre playoff team for a few years. Continuing to compete may make more sense for the Heat and Arison’s financials so I understand that. But on strictly basketball terms, I don’t see any way to rebuild this team into a contender with the problems that we are facing.

That's a logical way of looking at it. But like you said it's tough to see a way to flip Bam into a significant upgrade. If we can, I'm all for it. Especially after he got saddled and rode by Brook freaking Lopez.

Maybe we can swap him for Brook.

[IceColdCubano]

Re-sign Jimmy you treadmill a little bit for the next couple of years until he retires as there is nothing available this summer. Or you trade him to a contender for a package around young assets & picks and start your rebuild early that bam is young 4-6 years down the line youll have a team capable of dethroning who ever is on top.

[Kobewade11]

Saw this mentioned in the Trade forum - wonder what it would take to shake Collin Sexton from Cleveland. I know somewhere Bish's ears just pricked up lol.

Hear me out though - he's already a legit scoring option. Say what you want about the scrubby Cavs, but the guy still put up 24/3/4 on 47.5% FG. 1.6 treys on 4.4 attempts (37.5% 3fg) and 81.5% FT (6.4 attempts). Averages a steal a game, but also is a supreme fiesty chivato.

Cavs certainly don't seem wedded to him, and given they'll likely have another high pick and he's coming up for extension kinda talk, I could see a trade.

Wild thoughts...Sexton and Love for Herro, Igoudala, Dragic and Achiuwa? Obviously Iggy and Gogi won't be long for the roster, so it's really about getting back rookie salaries that fit better.

Sexton
Robinson
Butler
Love
Adebayo

Love would expire in 2023, which at present is the same offszn as Jimmy if he took up his PO (it's possible Jimmy negotiates an extension though...but if not, that's the reload offszn). Mind you, I'm still trying to work out if Love can actually play anymore or not. Is it a case of the Blake Griffin's (e.g. guy doesn't want to be there anymore and gives minimal effort), or is he just old af and broken down?

I want no parts of Love but Sexton is an interesting name that I haven’t seen mentioned here before. Swapping KZ for Precious, and perhaps a S&T of Duncan in place of Herro would be ideal but I wouldnt be mad at the trade as constructed. I’d rather trade for a younger player with starlike qualities ala Sexton/Fox even if they may never be “superstars” as opposed to veterans that have already peaked.

[Kobewade11]

Re-sign Jimmy you treadmill a little bit for the next couple of years until he retires as there is nothing available this summer. Or you trade him to a contender for a package around young assets & picks and start your rebuild early that bam is young 4-6 years down the line youll have a team capable of dethroning who ever is on top.

Not getting young assets and picks for Jimmy. His reputation around the league precedes him. And nobody builds a team to be good 4-6 years down the line that is an eternity in todays game.

[wade44]

Eh I'm not worried about rebuilding for a few years. Better than being stuck in purgatory for a number of years like we were after the big 3. Miami is always going to be a top free agent destination

Way I see it, Butler's game is going to age badly going into his mid-thirties and his injuries are concerning. If he wants to be paid as much as is rumored, you strike while the iron is hot. Love Jimmy but may be time to accept that he & Miami are at a crossroads

That's fine as long as we know what we're signing up for. Rebuilds take years and usually end in failure or mediocrity.

Personally I'd rather rebuild while Jimmy is eating away 30% of our cap in the last couple of years of an extension. It's not like you need that cap space for guys on rookie deals.

I like the idea of building around Bam and maybe Harro if he gets his head on straight and try to hit on a high draft pick in the coming years. Yes its not a foolproof method, & I know Beasley left a bad taste in the Heat's mouth about drafting high. But we're simply a franchise that's hungry for the next generation Heat young star

The reality is what's the ceiling for the current group? We're not going on another bubble run and last season showed that Jimmy can't shoulder the load all by himself

Also who's a realistic free agent target for this offseason? Demar Derozan? Not sure how big of an upgrade he is from what we've already got

Like Slot Machine mentioned, either Jimmy or Bam need to be traded. We need to figure out our window if we are going all in on the last few years of Jimmy's prime, or not

[marson]

Dame just say the magic word.

Spoiler:

I want Bam and Jimmy

[3ballbomber]

I'm not playing this damn game again. I won't anticipate a whale signing. Not after Giannis disappointment. All that talk, rumors & claims we're the top destination for FA's......only to come away w/ no significant signing.



I'll be some what hopeful in us improving our unit....but keeping my expectations low.

[eddieheatfan]

I'm not playing this damn game again. I'm not anticipate whale signings. Not after Giannis disappointment. All that talk, rumors & claims we're the top destination for FA's......only to come away w/ no significant signing.



I'll be some what hopeful in us improving our unit....but keeping my expectations low.

we all should feel this way,as construed this team its going nowhere.

team needs more size and veteran youth (sounds like an oxymoron i know) because i dont think that jimmy and bam are the guys to bring this team to place of excellence


spo.must.go too.


i'm in favor of blowing it up so that we can get the draft picks that this team needs to deal back and forth.keep developing players and bring some promising players from overseas since this draft season is going to be a dull from what am hearing

[heater4life]

Close this.

I want An Iggie thread

Would you like a gag as well?!?!?

You masochist!!!!!

[MettaWorldPanda]

Nunn S&T and Achuiwa for S&T Lauri Markkannen. Kinda like that deal. Gets Nunn back home to Chicago.

[Wiltside]

Nunn S&T and Achuiwa for S&T Lauri Markkannen. Kinda like that deal. Gets Nunn back home to Chicago.

Not ready to totally give up on Achiuwa yet, personally. Want to see what he does with a proper offseason and development program.

You can't make him 7 feet, but you can get him to add a J and round out his offensive game. A lot of it is confidence too.

I don't hate the idea of Markkannen though. He's a little soft defensively, that's my concern. Offensively he'd be a good fit as a stretch option and doesn't necessarily need the ball to be effective. This season is his first efficient year shooting the rock too, up near 60% eFG.

[heater4life]

To sign a Kawhale!

Live by the whalehunt, die by the whalehunt.

This is the way.

[3ballbomber]

keep developing players

I believe our focus is in house & develop further the young talent we have in Herro, Duncan, Bam, Precious & Nunn. Esp. because we lack picks. That's our future. I can't see us trading away Duncan & Herro for players that'll just move the needle a little, just to buy us a gm or 2 in the 1st round. Let alone sacrificing young talent for aging veterans with small windows, only for us to be bounced in the 1st or 2nd round.........And then what...

Only way we deviate from this is if we have players like Kawhi, Beal etc. interested. Players that'll address our immediate issues & help to make us a legit contender. I think once we land that needle mover other players will come, the domino's will fall & we'll have more options to build a true contender. But that's a big if & what's key here also...landing that significant name to entice others to come.