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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 1 

Post#41 » by dean456 » Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:50 am

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RexBoyWonder wrote:I still think a scoring PF like a Harrison Barnes is the missing piece.

A guy that can you give you 18 random points in a game like this without killing you on defense.

Having both Tucker and Gabe playing big minutes and providing no scoring just means all the other main guys have to play good on offense, when you're missing Lowry and with Duncan so limited with his creation we can't afford Jimmy or Bam to have an off night.

We need another decent scorer. preferably at the PF spot.
Hopefully Omer can get some minutes without looking lost, if there's one thing I'm sure about him - he'll put the ball in the basket.


Right now Herro's looking like our only reliable scorer off the bench, I wouldn't be interested in trading Robinson for any upgrades if it means removing Herro from the bench unit.

I think we have more than enough guys who can score especially at full strength and after any additions we may have in the buyout market.

If we make any moves it should be to strengthen our bench.

While I don’t disagree with this sentiment, the issue remains that our bench is currently constructed like this:

PG - Dipo (min)/Vincent (min)
SG - Herro ($4m rookie deal)
SF - Strus (min)/Martin (min)
PF - Morris (min)/KZ (min)
C - Dedmon (min)/Yurtseven (min)/UD (min)

There is no way to upgrade this, outside of vet min for vet min type deals, without breaking up the starting 5.

The trick will be finding someone desperate enough for shooting that they value Robinson high enough to part with a decent piece. Otherwise it’s the buyout market for us.


If we can add one or two guys from the buyout market that are upgrades over either Vincent, Strus or Morris then I think we will be more than fine. When fully healthy even without Oladipo and we are able to stagnate one of our big 3 then our 2nd unit is serviceable enough now.

If you add a healthy Oladipo to the 2nd unit alongside Herro that changes things considerably. I think if we could get Marvin Bagley in a possible buyout then I think that would do a lot for the 2nd units frontline. We would be able to use him a lot of the ways we use Bam on offense.

Oladipo
Herro
Strus
Bagley III
Dedmond/Morris

If you have a 2nd unit like this while stagnating one of Lowry or Jimmy with that group over Strus come playoff time then our bench will be fine. It would be great if Yurtseven could get to the same level defensively as Dedmond by the end of the year as I think he would be a better fit alongside Bagley on the offensive side of the ball.
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Post#42 » by twix2500 » Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:56 pm

I'm not too worried about Morris. He will be better as the season goes. Especially when Dipo returns.

Need to find a way to get Strus more involved with Herro. Herro usage is way to high, I would like some of that taken from Herro and given to Strus to see what he can do. The bench can't be a one man show in Herro. Let's see if the Heat can get Strus to be at least a 9-10 pt game player.

Don't get me wrong I want Herro to be keep his scorer first mentality but the coaches need to regulate it. Herro usage is almost 10% higher than Bam and Jimmy.

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Post#43 » by harlem_ball » Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:09 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:I still think a scoring PF like a Harrison Barnes is the missing piece.

A guy that can you give you 18 random points in a game like this without killing you on defense.

Having both Tucker and Gabe playing big minutes and providing no scoring just means all the other main guys have to play good on offense, when you're missing Lowry and with Duncan so limited with his creation we can't afford Jimmy or Bam to have an off night.

We need another decent scorer. preferably at the PF spot.
Hopefully Omer can get some minutes without looking lost, if there's one thing I'm sure about him - he'll put the ball in the basket.


Barnes is ok but the Heat are capped out and would have to trade a player in the rotation. If Robinson struggles Im sure all eyes would point to him since he is pretty one dimensional at this point.
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Post#44 » by harlem_ball » Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:10 pm

twix2500 wrote:I'm not too worried about Morris. He will be better as the season goes. Especially when Dipo returns.

Need to find a way to get Strus more involved with Herro. Herro usage is way to high, I would like some of that taken from Herro and given to Strus to see what he can do. The bench can't be a one man show in Herro. Let's see if the Heat can get Strus to be at least a 9-10 pt game player.

Don't get me wrong I want Herro to be keep his scorer first mentality but the coaches need to regulate it. Herro usage is almost 10% higher than Bam and Jimmy.

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You don't need to regulate Herro at all. If he remains red hot you give him the green light.
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Post#45 » by AirP. » Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:15 pm

With the NBA changing basketballs this year, are some players helped/hurt with the change, back in 2006 it was a bigger change with the ball but it absolutely helped/hurt players.
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Post#46 » by twix2500 » Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:18 pm

AirP. wrote:With the NBA changing basketballs this year, are some players helped/hurt with the change, back in 2006 it was a bigger change with the ball but it absolutely helped/hurt players.
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Depends on the player. Some players are specific where they place their hand on the ball and how it feels when they release it. Just like Arena background depth can affect a player.

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Post#47 » by AirP. » Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:35 pm

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AirP. wrote:With the NBA changing basketballs this year, are some players helped/hurt with the change, back in 2006 it was a bigger change with the ball but it absolutely helped/hurt players.
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Depends on the player. Some players are specific where they place their hand on the ball and how it feels when they release it. Just like Arena background depth can affect a player.

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Luol Deng in that season shot great the first full 2 months of 2006 before they changed the ball back in January. He had an adjustment month then back to his norm. Deng shot a ton of long 2s, not sure why he didn't just shoot a foot further back for a 3.
Nov .549
Dec .532
Jan .493
Feb .517
Mar .506
Apr .508

Some players were effected for the better, some for the worst, it seemed to depend on how you shot the ball, the guys who used their fingertips more it helped because the ball was "stickier". He looked like a much better shooter but it was more about the ball.
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Post#48 » by harlem_ball » Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:41 pm

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Barnes has started the season absolutely hooping for Sacramento but maybe Miami's problem is this: if there is no floor general to get Miami in it's offense, Miami is going to struggle. Miami's pieces fit a certain way but without proper direction the team is a mess. The Pacers were able to take Miami out of it's comfort zone, causing the Heat to become rattled and lose their offensive identity. So throwing Barnes in there instead of Robinson would not fix this core issue.

Come back soon Lowry! Heat need another PG.
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Post#49 » by AirP. » Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:42 pm

Something I noticed from the Indiana game, PJ Tucker is still learning his teammates, he seemed to give up open shots to his man because he's looking to help teammates(Robinson). I'd expect in a few games through game film there will be adjustments made by Spoelstra/Tucker on how often to help and with that, better defense. Maybe not the biggest issue, but it's an issue that should be fixed in the next few games.
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Post#50 » by twix2500 » Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:55 pm

AirP. wrote:
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AirP. wrote:With the NBA changing basketballs this year, are some players helped/hurt with the change, back in 2006 it was a bigger change with the ball but it absolutely helped/hurt players.
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Depends on the player. Some players are specific where they place their hand on the ball and how it feels when they release it. Just like Arena background depth can affect a player.

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Luol Deng in that season shot great the first full 2 months of 2006 before they changed the ball back in January. He had an adjustment month then back to his norm. Deng shot a ton of long 2s, not sure why he didn't just shoot a foot further back for a 3.
Nov .549
Dec .532
Jan .493
Feb .517
Mar .506
Apr .508

Some players were effected for the better, some for the worst, it seemed to depend on how you shot the ball, the guys who used their fingertips more it helped because the ball was "stickier". He looked like a much better shooter but it was more about the ball.
He was playing a different role and position than what he was beginning of the season. Also I think where he shot three was also different. If I recall Deng is good at corner threes

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Post#51 » by AirP. » Mon Oct 25, 2021 6:46 pm

twix2500 wrote:
AirP. wrote:
twix2500 wrote:Depends on the player. Some players are specific where they place their hand on the ball and how it feels when they release it. Just like Arena background depth can affect a player.

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Luol Deng in that season shot great the first full 2 months of 2006 before they changed the ball back in January. He had an adjustment month then back to his norm. Deng shot a ton of long 2s, not sure why he didn't just shoot a foot further back for a 3.
Nov .549
Dec .532
Jan .493
Feb .517
Mar .506
Apr .508

Some players were effected for the better, some for the worst, it seemed to depend on how you shot the ball, the guys who used their fingertips more it helped because the ball was "stickier". He looked like a much better shooter but it was more about the ball.
He was playing a different role and position than what he was beginning of the season. Also I think where he shot three was also different. If I recall Deng is good at corner threes

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He played SF, only later in his career did he start playing PF. His role in the offense didn't change until his 5th year when he got his 2nd contract and with that bump in pay they tried to run more of the offense through him instead of just letting him shooting long 2s and cutting to the basket, he was a great cutter so playing through him took that away from his game. His shooting was just much better with the stickier ball, it was highly noticeable the difference in his shot after changing back to the old ball. This is back when I followed the Bulls before realizing bad owners make bad hires which then build bad teams. Miami fans are lucky with it's overall organization and it's stability.
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Post#52 » by twix2500 » Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:32 pm

AirP. wrote:
twix2500 wrote:
AirP. wrote:
Luol Deng in that season shot great the first full 2 months of 2006 before they changed the ball back in January. He had an adjustment month then back to his norm. Deng shot a ton of long 2s, not sure why he didn't just shoot a foot further back for a 3.
Nov .549
Dec .532
Jan .493
Feb .517
Mar .506
Apr .508

Some players were effected for the better, some for the worst, it seemed to depend on how you shot the ball, the guys who used their fingertips more it helped because the ball was "stickier". He looked like a much better shooter but it was more about the ball.
He was playing a different role and position than what he was beginning of the season. Also I think where he shot three was also different. If I recall Deng is good at corner threes

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He played SF, only later in his career did he start playing PF. His role in the offense didn't change until his 5th year when he got his 2nd contract and with that bump in pay they tried to run more of the offense through him instead of just letting him shooting long 2s and cutting to the basket, he was a great cutter so playing through him took that away from his game. His shooting was just much better with the stickier ball, it was highly noticeable the difference in his shot after changing back to the old ball. This is back when I followed the Bulls before realizing bad owners make bad hires which then build bad teams. Miami fans are lucky with it's overall organization and it's stability.
Sorry got confused i was thinking 2016

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Post#53 » by al bondiga » Tue Oct 26, 2021 2:15 am

want your opinion guys... lately I have noticed a stint of jealousy coming from Butler, I think he doesn't like Herro's attitudes... it is it me or Jimmy is a bit immature or is he just a typical kid in his thirties
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Post#54 » by harlem_ball » Tue Oct 26, 2021 2:16 am

al bondiga wrote:want your opinion guys... lately I have noticed a stint of jealousy coming from Butler, I think he doesn't like Herro's attitudes... it is it me or Jimmy is a bit immature or is he just a typical kid in his thirties


nah, you're delusional.
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Post#55 » by dshearn » Tue Oct 26, 2021 2:41 am

al bondiga wrote:want your opinion guys... lately I have noticed a stint of jealousy coming from Butler, I think he doesn't like Herro's attitudes... it is it me or Jimmy is a bit immature or is he just a typical kid in his thirties



Jimmy does not do subtle........if there was something....the world would know it
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Post#56 » by AirP. » Tue Oct 26, 2021 3:34 pm

Early numbers for league averages...

Name - Last year/This year (Ranking of all time)
ORTG - 112.3 / 106.7 (23rd)
Pace - 99.2 / 101.1 (13th)
FTA - 21.8 / 19.8 (34th)
3PA - 34.6 / 36.3 (1st)
eFG% - .538 / .518 (5th)
3pt% - .367 / .348 (25th)
PTS - 112.1 / 109.0 (24th)
TRB - 44.3 / 46.7 (29th)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats_per_game.html
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Post#57 » by AirP. » Tue Oct 26, 2021 3:49 pm

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Post#58 » by RexBoyWonder » Tue Oct 26, 2021 5:21 pm



6'9 with a decent 3 point shot, might have something there.

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Post#59 » by BenoUdrihFTL » Tue Oct 26, 2021 6:30 pm

I'd give Brandon Knight one game to see if he can still walk upright and if he can then call him up and put Gabe on the first bus to South Dakota
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Post#60 » by twix2500 » Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:04 pm

AirP. wrote:Early numbers for league averages...

Name - Last year/This year (Ranking of all time)
ORTG - 112.3 / 106.7 (23rd)
Pace - 99.2 / 101.1 (13th)
FTA - 21.8 / 19.8 (34th)
3PA - 34.6 / 36.3 (1st)
eFG% - .538 / .518 (5th)
3pt% - .367 / .348 (25th)
PTS - 112.1 / 109.0 (24th)
TRB - 44.3 / 46.7 (29th)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats_per_game.html
I think the league in general every year starts off fast. As teams learn their set plays the pace slows down.

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