Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Grant has Miami Heat written all over him. It would be harder for us to find a better fit/player unless of course Riley decides to go all in and trade Herro for a star.

Send KZ to OKC and ask them to remove protections on our pick. Then send 2 1sts Duncan plus whatever salary needed to make the deal work for grant. I think the Bulls try to outbid us and I can see him in CHicago but we’ll see.

A report came out today listing like 10 teams interested in him and neither us or Chicago were even on the list

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I’m not worried about picks really but it does suck not having any when I major fish becomes available.

We find all rookie guys (Nunn and Yurt) and solid undrafted role players (Strus, Martin, Gabe, Duncan) like it’s nothing so I may view them a little different than you all.

[heatwillbeback]

I’m not worried about picks really but it does suck not having any when I major fish becomes available.

We find all rookie guys (Nunn and Yurt) and solid undrafted role players (Strus, Martin, Gabe, Duncan) like it’s nothing so I may view them a little different than you all.

I agree and I don’t mind giving away late picks like candy. We can find guys.

What worries me down the road is if we don’t have picks and our guys age/get injured/etc. Nobody expected the 2007-2008 Heat, but it happened. I guess it wouldn’t of mattered anyway since Beasley ended up being a bust, but going through that season and not having the pick at the end would of just been brutal.

I don’t want to give up unprotected picks more than a few years down the road. So much negative can happen.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I’m not worried about picks really but it does suck not having any when I major fish becomes available.

We find all rookie guys (Nunn and Yurt) and solid undrafted role players (Strus, Martin, Gabe, Duncan) like it’s nothing so I may view them a little different than you all.

I agree and I don’t mind giving away late picks like candy. We can find guys.

What worries me down the road is if we don’t have picks and our guys age/get injured/etc. Nobody expected the 2007-2008 Heat, but it happened. I guess it wouldn’t of mattered anyway since Beasley ended up being a bust, but going through that season and not having the pick at the end would of just been brutal.

I don’t want to give up unprotected picks more than a few years down the road. So much negative can happen.

Yea that’s also a good point. Would suck to have major injuries hit and win 15 games and the pick goes to another team. That season would be miserable

[carnageta]

Has Nunn committed career suicide by going to the Lakers this past offseason? I think that's the real question.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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So his main concern is scoring over a championship? Looks like we’ll pass on him then.

[Wiltside]

Has Nunn committed career suicide by going to the Lakers this past offseason? I think that's the real question.

Quite possible. Nunn is yet to play this year from a variety of injuries, and it sure looks like Monk has his role at the moment. They are pretty thin though, so he should get an opportunity if he can get back on the court.

I'm sure Grumpy would prefer DNP's from Kendrick rather than Herro's 21ppg though

[greg4012]

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So his main concern is scoring over a championship? Looks like we’ll pass on him then.

That's been my concern with Grant's fit here for a minute. Seems like he wants to be a top option on offense. If he's a ball stopper or looking to get his own numbers, then that won't serve us.

Earlier in this thread, AirP mentioned Portland as an interesting trade partner--specifically looking at Larry Nance or Robert Covington. I think that could be a VERY intriguing fit.

[twix2500]

In this situation Miami would know they've got to pay him to keep him because it's probably his last possible big contract and with that he'll want a solid contract or could move on to a team willing to risk somewhere like a 3 year contract on him. To better handle the tax bill next year Miami should look to move Robinson's contract this season for an expiring that helps the Heat this year(for example, Robinson for Covington or better yet Nance). Waiting until the summer to move Robinson will be more challenging to shed money since a sizable expiring doesn't help that much.

The Heat's situation with Oladipo is very interesting to me, I expect him to be rusty but athletic on offense while being one of the better defenders on the team although maybe Martin is good enough to not worry about that(Martin still needs to be converted to a minimum contract to become playoff eligible this year).

IMO Lowry future with the Heat is dependent upon Oladipo. If Heat commit to Dipo long term then Lowry will be moved. Spo wants Dipo at point guard.

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I doubt that. Why would he want no true Pg on the team and a guy running Pg who hasn’t played PG since his rookie season? Dipo is a SG. We tried to land both of them at the deadline last year but the Raptors were being stubborn.

He started at point when he played here. And he played point guard in Orlando.

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[Wiltside]

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So his main concern is scoring over a championship? Looks like we’ll pass on him then.

That's been my concern with Grant's fit here for a minute. Seems like he wants to be a top option on offense. If he's a ball stopper or looking to get his own numbers, then that won't serve us.

Earlier in this thread, AirP mentioned Portland as an interesting trade partner--specifically looking at Larry Nance or Robert Covington. I think that could be a VERY intriguing fit.

Spo would absolutely froth Covington. He'd be Spo's new crush for sure.

Not sure how keen Portland are to take on 4.5yrs of Duncan Robinson though, but who knows. RoCo would take Martin's spot in the rotation though, for better or worse.

[TroubleS0me]

hmm who makes the all-star game for us?

Is it Lowry, Herro or Jimmy?

feel like Jimmy & Bam dont have enough games.

[twix2500]

hmm who makes the all-star game for us?

Is it Lowry, Herro or Jimmy?

feel like Jimmy & Bam dont have enough games.

Jimmy will likely make it

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[dshearn]

Nope, IMO as I said last summer. Him and Heat sat down and had a long term plan that they both agreed upon. Dipo wants to be here and Heat were willing to have patience and pay him through the rehab and hopefully get a boost from him during the playoffs but not dependent upon him.

In this situation Miami would know they've got to pay him to keep him because it's probably his last possible big contract and with that he'll want a solid contract or could move on to a team willing to risk somewhere like a 3 year contract on him. To better handle the tax bill next year Miami should look to move Robinson's contract this season for an expiring that helps the Heat this year(for example, Robinson for Covington or better yet Nance). Waiting until the summer to move Robinson will be more challenging to shed money since a sizable expiring doesn't help that much.

The Heat's situation with Oladipo is very interesting to me, I expect him to be rusty but athletic on offense while being one of the better defenders on the team although maybe Martin is good enough to not worry about that(Martin still needs to be converted to a minimum contract to become playoff eligible this year).

IMO Lowry future with the Heat is dependent upon Oladipo. If Heat commit to Dipo long term then Lowry will be moved. Spo wants Dipo at point guard.

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I seriously doubt that. Lowery might someday be moved, but it's not any time soon.

If anything, lowery provides recent proof how important a ball distributer is. Miami should start working immediately on finding someone who can do what lowery does when lowery can't do it any longer,

There is no double double Yurt without lowery for example. We would be back to spamming dribble hand offs to generate offense when iso is not working.

On top of that, team chemistry is centered a great deal on Lowery, Jimmy is the obvious connection, but even Bam and Herro are mimicking his passing style. Alot of those "interceptions" we have committed is a result of the team learning when and how to do what lowery is doing.

I would suspect Lowery is safe for several years, long after we make a decision on VO's fate in Miami.

[rate_]

I seriously doubt that. Lowery might someday be moved, but it's not any time soon.

If anything, lowery provides recent proof how important a ball distributer is. Miami should start working immediately on finding someone who can do what lowery does when lowery can't do it any longer,

There is no double double Yurt without lowery for example. We would be back to spamming dribble hand offs to generate offense when iso is not working.

On top of that, team chemistry is centered a great deal on Lowery, Jimmy is the obvious connection, but even Bam and Herro are mimicking his passing style. Alot of those "interceptions" we have committed is a result of the team learning when and how to do what lowery is doing.

I would suspect Lowery is safe for several years, long after we make a decision on VO's fate in Miami.

Yurtseven (w/ Lowry): 288 min | 117.65 ORTG
Yurtseven (w/o Lowry): 250 min | 117.11 ORTG

[MiamiSun]

Hot take:

Spo is going to be coach of Eastern Conference All- Star team, yet we won't have any players representing us in the actual game.

[Wiltside]

Hot take:

Spo is going to be coach of Eastern Conference All- Star team, yet we won't have any players representing us in the actual game.

Nah, Jimmy gonna make it.

[rate_]

I think Miami will make #1 seed before voting ends, and Jimmy/Spo will represent Miami

[DayofMourning]

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[al bondiga]

dipo is someone I would love healthy... playoff situation he is absolutely a game changer ...but let's get real ...he is a pipe dream and it's very unlikely that he will happen for the Heat
That is so why we got players like lowry, pj, gabe, strus, calvin, etc ...hoping they can substitute he's supposed output in important games... he is gone baby gone... perhaps providing some relief as a secondary player for a couple of years

Why is it a pipe dream? Miami has had him go on road trips, he seems to be more engaged with the team, he seems to be in good spirits. It's quite possible with another team he'd already be on the court but Miami seems to drag out players getting back to the court which I think they do on purpose to make it easier on Spoelstra to keep players out of the rotation.

14 May Oladipo had surgery.
Around 3 months later he was lifting weights.

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27th of September he said he was walking without discomfort.

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The 1st of October he was walking without a limp.

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Also, during some early game this season (possibly preseason) Oladipo actually jumped a chair celebrating someone's dunk

If this were the 90s I'd be way more weary of him coming back, now I'm not too worried where science is at this point, with the last surgery done wrong which caused issues so I'd think they'd double/triple check what it was done right this time, the messed up surgery has already cost him millions(even if it's just this season).

Oladipo has known his last surgery didn't go well but it was either play through the pain and keep making money(a new contract) or possibly have another surgery and miss out on millions with a surgery, he finally didn't have the choice of playing through pain anymore.

It's always possible that he isn't right but I think everything is being scrutinized at this point in his recovery where they could fix whatever the problem is, even if that meant another surgery.

This. Klay can tear his ACL and Achilles but he’s the 2nd coming of Christ when he returns but Dipo is apparently done and not good enough to play.

what I meant was, dipo will have huge difficulties becoming a good starter... I think he's time is gone... may be a substitute for 10-15 minutes and occasionally he will have a great night with 25-10 and 5 steals but only once every 3 months until he retires because of his knee in the next 2 or 3 years... I hope I'm wrong though we have seen players like him a hundred times

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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So his main concern is scoring over a championship? Looks like we’ll pass on him then.

That's been my concern with Grant's fit here for a minute. Seems like he wants to be a top option on offense. If he's a ball stopper or looking to get his own numbers, then that won't serve us.

Earlier in this thread, AirP mentioned Portland as an interesting trade partner--specifically looking at Larry Nance or Robert Covington. I think that could be a VERY intriguing fit.

Spo would absolutely froth Covington. He'd be Spo's new crush for sure.

Not sure how keen Portland are to take on 4.5yrs of Duncan Robinson though, but who knows. RoCo would take Martin's spot in the rotation though, for better or worse.

I haven’t looked it up but apparently Covington has been terrible from what I hear this year. Not hard to bring defense and 3 point shooting when that’s been your role your whole career though