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MIA vs PHILA GAME 2 PG: Herro, Bam, Dipo HBD

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Re: MIA vs PHILA GAME 2 PG: Herro, Bam, Dipo HBD 

Post#41 » by marson » Thu May 5, 2022 7:38 am

3ballbomber wrote:We need Embiid back. Hopefully he's good to go gm3. We need to be tested! It's not ideal having an easy route before we possibly face Giannis or Tatum & much tougher Bucks/Celts units. But at the same time we are able to afford extended rest for Lowry.


Part of me wants this but looking at our roster, we got a lot of old guys that need a lot of rest. PJ, Jimmy, and Lowry would benefit the most for ECF if we finish this series early.
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Post#42 » by harlem_ball » Thu May 5, 2022 7:56 am

HeatFanLifer wrote:
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At this point, trade Drob and Herro for an expiring and some depth. Don’t even need a starter. Re-sign Dipo and use the under lux tax space gained to re-sign Strus, Vincent, and Yurt in 2023. I’m not hating on Herro, but by 2023 its going to be either Herro+Duncan or Dipo, Strus, Yurt, Vincent, and probably another decent player.


:crazy:

Trade bam, herro, robinson and sign expiring vets and gleaguers. Got it.


You are one of the worst posters on this forum. You take things people say out of context constantly and personally attack them. There is no joy to be had in reading anything you say. I am done with your nonsense.


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Post#43 » by harlem_ball » Thu May 5, 2022 8:05 am

HeatFanLifer wrote:
harlem_ball wrote:
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At this point, trade Drob and Herro for an expiring and some depth. Don’t even need a starter. Re-sign Dipo and use the under lux tax space gained to re-sign Strus, Vincent, and Yurt in 2023. I’m not hating on Herro, but by 2023 its going to be either Herro+Duncan or Dipo, Strus, Yurt, Vincent, and probably another decent player.


:crazy:

Trade bam, herro, robinson and sign expiring vets and gleaguers. Got it.


You are one of the worst posters on this forum. You take things people say out of context constantly and personally attack them. There is no joy to be had in reading anything you say. I am done with your nonsense.


In my defense I only insult Sammy SucksTS because he spams crappy things all day. I've yet to insult anyone else. Sammy enjoys my insults and always begs for more.

Plus he deserves my insults after copying my Yurtgate narrative out of pure jealousy and incompetence as a writer. He's a slow learner.

As you were.

And yeah, i didn't like your idea. Sorry buddy.
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Post#44 » by twix2500 » Thu May 5, 2022 10:01 am

Very easy win for the Heat. They played a well round game offensively in regards to players contributing.

I think this game has killed the 76ers moral. The defense is sniffling them and the Heat countered all the defensive tactics that Doc threw at them.

Do not think its worth the 76ers to bring back Embiid. He can't see out one eye, face can't be touched and his hand is badly injured.

This series should be a sweep or at the most 5 games. The objective should be to continue to play smart and get out of this healthy. 76ers may start fouling hard with nothing to lose.

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Post#45 » by 3ballbomber » Thu May 5, 2022 10:17 am

QUIZ wrote:This is a boring series with Embiid out but all we can do is keep taking care of business. Is Embiid does return in game 3 that would be cool.

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Re: MIA vs PHILA GAME 2 PG: Herro, Bam, Dipo HBD 

Post#46 » by Hallstar » Thu May 5, 2022 10:28 am

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Not only that but did you see his body language when he finally got on the court? Dude was not happy at all. Subbing in for a min, and he was like out of it and over it. Which matches our impression of his role on the team. We will need to attach an asset to get rid of him.

I dont like it but the idea of Duncan and Herro for Donovan does have some merit. We consolidate, get rid of a bad contract and get a young super star back but I feel ill just thinking about it. It makes sense but I dont like it.


Another undersized player in a smallball system that asks guards to rebound


It makes perfect sense

:crazy:

Bam and Robinson for Gobert makes just as much sense


At this point, trade Drob and Herro for an expiring and some depth. Don’t even need a starter. Re-sign Dipo and use the under lux tax space gained to re-sign Strus, Vincent, and Yurt in 2023. I’m not hating on Herro, but by 2023 its going to be either Herro+Duncan or Dipo, Strus, Yurt, Vincent, and probably another decent player.

You realize this makes no sense right? We literally picked up the players you want to keep off the scrap heap
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Post#47 » by benhillboy » Thu May 5, 2022 11:03 am

10 Mo.

Bam eating as expected. Team high 154 to 100 rating so far in the series. I know he gets a lot of flack here (and Spo with where he’s played) but y’all are lucky. I watch the Hawks; he’s far more rugged than Collins and far more skilled than Capela.

Herro close second at 148 to 109.

Maxey making all the noise (120 to 127) but Harris the only player providing consistent winning impact outperforming both his team’s ratings at 120 to 119. Harden a slight minus on both ends as expected. He’s far too selfish to do anything helpful off the ball but I’m very surprised and impressed Doc got him to defend with effort.

If the Heat win a ring they’re gonna have to get one for Danny Green. Offensive rating of 54. He’s piling up missed wide open threes so much he might as well be subtracting points. 14 three point attempts to 0 FT attempts. Retirement time.
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Post#48 » by Kobewade11 » Thu May 5, 2022 11:12 am

Miami_Lux wrote:Unrelated question. Can we still get value for Duncan in a potential off-season trade?

Its going to be hard to get “value” in return but they can attach a pick and dump him in the summer.
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Post#49 » by RexBoyWonder » Thu May 5, 2022 11:21 am

Kobewade11 wrote:
Miami_Lux wrote:Unrelated question. Can we still get value for Duncan in a potential off-season trade?

Its going to be hard to get “value” in return but they can attach a pick and dump him in the summer.

he can be useful as salary filler to trade for a good player making 12-20 mil.

Despite not having value as a standalone contract, we might benefit from having him on the books.

Add a pick or 2 and we could land a legit starter level PF
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Post#50 » by goodboy » Thu May 5, 2022 12:52 pm

HeatFanLifer wrote:
harlem_ball wrote:
HeatFanLifer wrote:
At this point, trade Drob and Herro for an expiring and some depth. Don’t even need a starter. Re-sign Dipo and use the under lux tax space gained to re-sign Strus, Vincent, and Yurt in 2023. I’m not hating on Herro, but by 2023 its going to be either Herro+Duncan or Dipo, Strus, Yurt, Vincent, and probably another decent player.


:crazy:

Trade bam, herro, robinson and sign expiring vets and gleaguers. Got it.


You are one of the worst posters on this forum. You take things people say out of context constantly and personally attack them. There is no joy to be had in reading anything you say. I am done with your nonsense.

OP officially broke you HFL. I can take the reigns of the banner holder lmk
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Post#51 » by marson » Thu May 5, 2022 12:55 pm

Kinda feel bad for Duncan tbh. His time may be running out here and then your coach suddenly doesn't trust you.

You can totally sense he was pissed during that garbage minutes :lol:
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Post#52 » by Tony15 » Thu May 5, 2022 1:00 pm

His own doing.....can't defend a lick, so if he isn't hitting shots he's unplayable. I surely hope he uses this this as fuel to get better in the offseason so Spo has no choice but to play him.
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Post#53 » by fishfuego. » Thu May 5, 2022 1:18 pm

harlem_ball wrote:
HeatFanLifer wrote:
harlem_ball wrote:
Another undersized player in a smallball system that asks guards to rebound


It makes perfect sense

:crazy:

Bam and Robinson for Gobert makes just as much sense


At this point, trade Drob and Herro for an expiring and some depth. Don’t even need a starter. Re-sign Dipo and use the under lux tax space gained to re-sign Strus, Vincent, and Yurt in 2023. I’m not hating on Herro, but by 2023 its going to be either Herro+Duncan or Dipo, Strus, Yurt, Vincent, and probably another decent player.


:crazy:

Trade bam, herro, robinson and sign expiring vets and gleaguers. Got it.


Seriously, I don’t get the infatuation by some posters on trading Herro. Reminds me of the Herro for Harden tornado by posters that thankfully never happened.

Mitchell, a 6’1” minus guard that can’t rebound, worst defender and does nothing different when all things considered for Herro, a young (still developing) 6’5” or 6’6”( still growing) guard that can actually rebound in Spo’s system. Don’t see it.

Now if you say Lowry and Duncan, that seems more of an upgrade offensively but weakens the defense in the process. Pass!
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Post#54 » by greg4012 » Thu May 5, 2022 1:33 pm

I love both Herro and Mitchell. I'm pretty indifferent on this speculation.

I find the games people play to characterize size distinctions to be utterly hilarious. It reminds me of national media deducting an inch or two from Bam every time they talk about him.

- Herro is 6'5 and has a 8'4.5 standing reach but a 6'3.5 wingspan
- Mitchell is 6'1 and has a 8'1 standing reach but a 6'10 wingspan
- Herro is not still growing and has a narrow frame, but is still getting stronger
- Mitchell is stout for his size and is a plus athlete but has only regressed as a defender

Let's just be real about these things and if you want to speculate at least base it in reality.

I'm just enjoying Herro produce this series while Mitchell is on vacation.
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Post#55 » by greg4012 » Thu May 5, 2022 1:46 pm

Philly fans want to latch onto their poor 3 point shooting as their beacon of hope in this series (aside from an Embiid return). There's some merit to it, but I really think a lot of their "open" 3s are less open than they want to think. Of course, they've missed a few open 3s, but they've also missed a bunch of 3s that have been affected by closeouts without Miami overcommitting to contest the shot and leave the paint too vulnerable. Still results in off-platform shots, off-rhythm shots, and shots with altered trajectories.

Bigger picture for the series--the Heat have mostly controlled both games but the Sixers have hung around in striking distance. It seems Miami has been OK with that. Miami hasn't exerted themselves to a significant degree and has been able to close out 2 double digit wins. I think that's great. We haven't had to play our guys heavy minutes and have been able to give our depth good run and gain some rhythm.

Conversely, you see Philly running on fumes as the game comes to an end. It's not just chance that has James Harden totaling the same number of second half points through 2 games as Omer Yurtseven (8 total for each for the series). It's not just chance that has a Philly player fouling out of consecutive games.

Now, as we travel to Philly I think we can expect the Heat to need to press a bit more to secure victory, especially if Philly gets hot from 3. But, Miami is prepared to do so. And again, Miami is one of the best teams at limiting opponents' 3 point percentages for a reason.

Let's take care of business and get our guys more rest and prep time for the next round.
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Post#56 » by DayofMourning » Thu May 5, 2022 1:46 pm

Tony15 wrote:His own doing.....can't defend a lick, so if he isn't hitting shots he's unplayable. I surely hope he uses this this as fuel to get better in the offseason so Spo has no choice but to play him.


His offensive efficiency has decreased every year. And before he had no real competition for his role. Now he has Strus, Martin and Oladipo. His days are numbered.
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Post#57 » by MHeat0279 » Thu May 5, 2022 2:57 pm

twix2500 wrote:Very easy win for the Heat. They played a well round game offensively in regards to players contributing.

I think this game has killed the 76ers moral. The defense is sniffling them and the Heat countered all the defensive tactics that Doc threw at them.

Do not think its worth the 76ers to bring back Embiid. He can't see out one eye, face can't be touched and his hand is badly injured.

This series should be a sweep or at the most 5 games. The objective should be to continue to play smart and get out of this healthy. 76ers may start fouling hard with nothing to lose.

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Call me crazy but i dont think Embiid will be able to play for the whole series. If they bring him back i think it will be very counterproductive for his health not to mention dangerous.
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Post#58 » by MHeat0279 » Thu May 5, 2022 2:59 pm

harlem_ball wrote:
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:crazy:

Trade bam, herro, robinson and sign expiring vets and gleaguers. Got it.


You are one of the worst posters on this forum. You take things people say out of context constantly and personally attack them. There is no joy to be had in reading anything you say. I am done with your nonsense.


In my defense I only insult Sammy SucksTS because he spams crappy things all day. I've yet to insult anyone else. Sammy enjoys my insults and always begs for more.

Plus he deserves my insults after copying my Yurtgate narrative out of pure jealousy and incompetence as a writer. He's a slow learner.

As you were.

And yeah, i didn't like your idea. Sorry buddy.



where is Bammy the evil slut? :lol: sorry bud dont take it personal but that was hilarious.
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Post#59 » by fishfuego. » Thu May 5, 2022 3:03 pm

MHeat0279 wrote:
twix2500 wrote:Very easy win for the Heat. They played a well round game offensively in regards to players contributing.

I think this game has killed the 76ers moral. The defense is sniffling them and the Heat countered all the defensive tactics that Doc threw at them.

Do not think its worth the 76ers to bring back Embiid. He can't see out one eye, face can't be touched and his hand is badly injured.

This series should be a sweep or at the most 5 games. The objective should be to continue to play smart and get out of this healthy. 76ers may start fouling hard with nothing to lose.

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Call me crazy but i dont think Embiid will be able to play for the whole series. If they bring him back i think it will be very counterproductive for his health not to mention dangerous.

Both posts bring up good points.
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Post#60 » by fishfuego. » Thu May 5, 2022 3:31 pm

greg4012 wrote:I love both Herro and Mitchell. I'm pretty indifferent on this speculation.

I find the games people play to characterize size distinctions to be utterly hilarious. It reminds me of national media deducting an inch or two from Bam every time they talk about him.

- Herro is 6'5 and has a 8'4.5 standing reach but a 6'3.5 wingspan
- Mitchell is 6'1 and has a 8'1 standing reach but a 6'10 wingspan
- Herro is not still growing and has a narrow frame, but is still getting stronger
- Mitchell is stout for his size and is a plus athlete but has only regressed as a defender

Let's just be real about these things and if you want to speculate at least base it in reality.

I'm just enjoying Herro produce this series while Mitchell is on vacation.


People grow until the age of 26, this much I know, and yes I consult a doctor in my family daily in regards to another family member in this exact matter. Herro at 6’5” specially doing upward motions daily could grow about an inch, in which case will put him at around the 6,6” height.

Mitchell is athletic but skills last longer and it is just as effective (plenty of examples with some of the greatest players of all times). Herro has skills, plus he has plenty of athleticism, but he does have a thinner frame that should get stronger as he evolves from the teenage/young adult body to the adult one.

Rebounding in Spo’s system suffers a bit, and Herro excels at it for a guard.

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