Damian Lillard Trade Thread

[Hoops3355]

The only player of interest on our team for the Blazers is going to be Bam and of course we all know that's not going to happen. We throw around Herro's name and his newly minted long term contract making upwards of 30 mil a year as if other team's will be welcoming that with open arms. Yes you'll find teams willing to take it on but it has to make utter and complete sense. I find the only teams willing to take on a Herro are teams that have an aging vet star two guard that's disgruntled that Herro would be replacing at a much cheaper cost. Something along the lines of a LaVine or Beal but even that seems like a stretch. Another out of the box possibility is a S&T for Kyrie Irving using Herro. Maybe Kevin Love and Irving reunion? I honestly think that makes more sense then Dame at the moment.

Wouldnt mind landing Kyrie if the Damian thing doesnt come to fruition

Herro and Lowry for Irving makes some sense as if you give Irving somewhere close to a max deal for 5 years then Lowry and Herro's salary come close to what Irving is going to cost. Then you make a separate deal of Robinson for Hardaway Jr. to complete the trade. Mavs would be a team I would see having a lot of interest in Herro and we know Cuban likes Robinson personally. Instead of losing Irving for nothing this would make sense for them.

C Bam Adebayo
PF Kevin Love/PF Nikola Jovic
SF Jimmy Butler
SG Tim Hardaway Jr.
PG Kyrie Irving

Honestly not too shabby

That PF situation would be so bad. I'm still of the mindset of passing off on making a run at Dame and looking at swapping Lowry for a big. KP ends up waiting out of Washington I'd be all over that if Riley and Spo are interested. Letting Bam get minutes at the 4 next season should be their goal. You'd unleash him on another level defensively and his post game would be better against 4s.

[Hoops3355]

Miami could of grinded out wins in this series if they had somebody that could score consistantly.

Probably wouldve won in 5. I like Denver but theyre not some Goliath.

Glad I'm the not only one who felt that way. Jimmy with one leg kept us close for the most part.

[ShulaDon92]

Our biggest issue was 100% a 3 level all star scorer and terrible guard play. Put Dame in this team and we would’ve won this championship

We may have won a ship with a healthy Herro too. We need an elite shotmaker that demands attention and that doesn't hurt our defensive disposition.

-SHULA.

[Wizenheimer]

Spoiler:

interesting thread

as a Blazer fan I'd say the odds are still pretty high Dame remains a Blazer, even if Portland keeps the pick. That doesn't mean Dame won't eventually ask to be traded, but if it does happen it won't likely be till next season. Dame does not want to leave Portland. There probably isn't a star in the NBA as personally and emotionally invested in a city and franchise as Dame is in Portland. He just moved into a new house here, and he has businesses in the community

if Portland's GM fails at building better team, one that can at least compete well for a playoff spot, Dame might ask out. But it won't take much for him to stay

if it does come down to Dame asking out, I don't think Miami has good enough assets to convince Blazer brass. It really doesn't help Miami to not have a an unencumbered 1st round pick till 2028.

Considering the fact Portland would send Dame to his preferred destination, if we sent Herro somewhere and received 2 1sts would Lowry and dipos expiring with 5 1sts be enough?

Keep in mind while he’s very elite that contract is a little scary

you mean 4 first's and a swap? It's a little closer but it would depend on protections. Still, to be 5 years away from the earliest Miami 1st is discouraging, and I'd question how good the first's would be from a Herro trade

I think Brookln could put together a better trade packs of expirings and first's. By quite a bit if they were willing

as for Dame's contract, the extension is large salary for sure, although it will be joined by several other large salaries by the time it rolls around. The first year of Dame's extension kicks in the same season that the new media deals will supercharge the salary cap. Now, there is a 'smoothing' provsion in the new CBA so it won't be a 35% jump like in 2016, but it might be enough to keep Dame's salary in the 35% of the cap range

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Spoiler:

interesting thread

as a Blazer fan I'd say the odds are still pretty high Dame remains a Blazer, even if Portland keeps the pick. That doesn't mean Dame won't eventually ask to be traded, but if it does happen it won't likely be till next season. Dame does not want to leave Portland. There probably isn't a star in the NBA as personally and emotionally invested in a city and franchise as Dame is in Portland. He just moved into a new house here, and he has businesses in the community

if Portland's GM fails at building better team, one that can at least compete well for a playoff spot, Dame might ask out. But it won't take much for him to stay

if it does come down to Dame asking out, I don't think Miami has good enough assets to convince Blazer brass. It really doesn't help Miami to not have a an unencumbered 1st round pick till 2028.

Considering the fact Portland would send Dame to his preferred destination, if we sent Herro somewhere and received 2 1sts would Lowry and dipos expiring with 5 1sts be enough?

Keep in mind while he’s very elite that contract is a little scary

you mean 4 first's and a swap? It's a little closer but it would depend on protections. Still, to be 5 years away from the earliest Miami 1st is discouraging, and I'd question how good the first's would be from a Herro trade

I think Brookln could put together a better trade packs of expirings and first's. By quite a bit if they were willing

as for Dame's contract, the extension is large salary for sure, although it will be joined by several other large salaries by the time it rolls around. The first year of Dame's extension kicks in the same season that the new media deals will supercharge the salary cap. Now, there is a 'smoothing' provsion in the new CBA so it won't be a 35% jump like in 2016, but it might be enough to keep Dame's salary in the 35% of the cap range

Believe we can trade 18 after we use the pick, plus the 2 future picks we have and the 2 we get from Herro to make it 5. I don’t think you’re getting more than 5 for dame, if he was 27-28 maybe

[Heat3]

What if...what if...we trade with the blazers, but for the #3 pick instead of for Dame and say goodbye to Jimmy

[3ammy3uck3ts]

What if...what if...we trade with the blazers, but for the #3 pick instead of for Dame and say goodbye to Jimmy

I’ll pass on that, we’re right there!

[NightWatch]

I don't understand the obsession with Dame. He's not exactly going to solve Miami problem. The problem was not having big available. See Bucks series where Heat could've lost the series against the Bucks if Heat never matter to switched to big lineups. It happened again against the Nuggets. Not having big was the problem against Nuggets. Jokic overwhelmed Bam. Lopez son Bam and bam struggled against him. Robin Williams limited him. Nuggets obsession with going after Gabe Vincent to bully him into the paint and shoot over him. Gordon took advantage of small lineup by bullying his man into the paint. Lack of Big defensive big man is the problem. Miami needs someone who is big and play actual defense against a taller guy and can score at will. Brook Lopez would benefited the Heat more from strategic standpoint because he can play actual defense and score at will. Heat then slide Bam to PF and encourage Bam to shoot 3. Dame will only sells you tickets but not winning you a championship. Heat would be much more complete team if they have defensive big like Lopez or dare I say Dwight Howard on the team without losing anyone valuable.

Please don't tell me you're trying to sell Brook Lopez and Dwight Howard would be more impactful than adding Dame.

You’re kidding yourself if you think dame going to bring you a championship while giving up a lot of defense pieces . You are basically trading for better offense for lesser defense. see Nets big 3 era of Harden, Irving, and Durant while the team was a huge offense powerhouse but sourly lack defense pierces where Nets had basically trading baskets against their opponents. Nets only hope to win was to outscore their opponents than playing actual defense. What happened if dame can’t make his shots. Team will constantly go after Dame on defense just like teams did with Vincent Gabe to wear him out. Team had figures how to wear dame down. Don’t just look at his game number. Watch the game.

I stand with my statement Heat would’ve benefited greatly with Lopez or maybe Howard to slow down Jokic while Miami try to overpowered Nuggets on offense. Bam ain’t slow down Davis in 2020 bubble playoff championship runs. Same story over and over and over

Miami Heat can win a championship with Dame if Heat doesn’t give up a lot of good defense players otherwise Heat is just a second or third rounds exit.

[NightWatch]

Our biggest issue was 100% a 3 level all star scorer and terrible guard play. Put Dame in this team and we would’ve won this championship

Yes without give up good defense players. I doubt Portland want Tyler herro but Bam. You give Bam and you get Dame. offense go up but defense go down. Now what?

[ShulaDon92]

I don't understand the obsession with Dame. He's not exactly going to solve Miami problem. The problem was not having big available. See Bucks series where Heat could've lost the series against the Bucks if Heat never matter to switched to big lineups. It happened again against the Nuggets. Not having big was the problem against Nuggets. Jokic overwhelmed Bam. Lopez son Bam and bam struggled against him. Robin Williams limited him. Nuggets obsession with going after Gabe Vincent to bully him into the paint and shoot over him. Gordon took advantage of small lineup by bullying his man into the paint. Lack of Big defensive big man is the problem. Miami needs someone who is big and play actual defense against a taller guy and can score at will. Brook Lopez would benefited the Heat more from strategic standpoint because he can play actual defense and score at will. Heat then slide Bam to PF and encourage Bam to shoot 3. Dame will only sells you tickets but not winning you a championship. Heat would be much more complete team if they have defensive big like Lopez or dare I say Dwight Howard on the team without losing anyone valuable.

Please don't tell me you're trying to sell Brook Lopez and Dwight Howard would be more impactful than adding Dame.

You’re kidding yourself if you think dame going to bring you a championship while giving up a lot of defense pieces . You are basically trading for better offense for lesser defense. see Nets big 3 era of Harden, Irving, and Durant while the team was a huge offense powerhouse but sourly lack defense pierces where Nets had basically trading baskets against their opponents. Nets only hope to win was to outscore their opponents than playing actual defense. What happened if dame can’t make his shots. Team will constantly go after Dame on defense just like teams did with Vincent Gabe to wear him out. Team had figures how to wear dame down. Don’t just look at his game number. Watch the game.

I stand with my statement Heat would’ve benefited greatly with Lopez or maybe Howard to slow down Jokic while Miami try to overpowered Nuggets on offense. Bam ain’t slow down Davis in 2020 bubble playoff championship runs. Same story over and over and over

Miami Heat can win a championship with Dame if Heat doesn’t give up a lot of good defense players otherwise Heat is just a second or third rounds exit.

I see it the same way. We need more firepower where it fits. We should not destroy the defensive disposition that we have

-SHULA

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Our biggest issue was 100% a 3 level all star scorer and terrible guard play. Put Dame in this team and we would’ve won this championship

Yes without give up good defense players. I doubt Portland want Tyler herro but Bam. You give Bam and you get Dame. offense go up but defense go down. Now what?

You’re out of the loop my guy

[IceColdCubano]

Our biggest issue was 100% a 3 level all star scorer and terrible guard play. Put Dame in this team and we would’ve won this championship

Yes without give up good defense players. I doubt Portland want Tyler herro but Bam. You give Bam and you get Dame. offense go up but defense go down. Now what?

You’re out of the loop my guy

You swap Bam for Damian Lillard this playoff run, and you might only get to ECF at best, Don't know if you win the Milwaukee series. Bam's defense was needed just as much as Jimmy's Heroic performance.

This conversation is not about Damian Lillard on this team without one of Jimmy or Bam, its with them both leu off one of or all Lowry, Duncan, Herro.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Yes without give up good defense players. I doubt Portland want Tyler herro but Bam. You give Bam and you get Dame. offense go up but defense go down. Now what?

You’re out of the loop my guy

You swap Bam for Damian Lillard this playoff run, and you might only get to ECF at best, Don't know if you win the Milwaukee series. Bam's defense was needed just as much as Jimmy's Heroic performance.

This conversation is not about Damian Lillard on this team without one of Jimmy or Bam, its with them both leu off one of or all Lowry, Duncan, Herro.

Yep exactly and the main reason Lillard wants to be here is Bam lol

[greg4012]

I don't understand the obsession with Dame. He's not exactly going to solve Miami problem. The problem was not having big available. See Bucks series where Heat could've lost the series against the Bucks if Heat never matter to switched to big lineups. It happened again against the Nuggets. Not having big was the problem against Nuggets. Jokic overwhelmed Bam. Lopez son Bam and bam struggled against him. Robin Williams limited him. Nuggets obsession with going after Gabe Vincent to bully him into the paint and shoot over him. Gordon took advantage of small lineup by bullying his man into the paint. Lack of Big defensive big man is the problem. Miami needs someone who is big and play actual defense against a taller guy and can score at will. Brook Lopez would benefited the Heat more from strategic standpoint because he can play actual defense and score at will. Heat then slide Bam to PF and encourage Bam to shoot 3. Dame will only sells you tickets but not winning you a championship. Heat would be much more complete team if they have defensive big like Lopez or dare I say Dwight Howard on the team without losing anyone valuable.

Please don't tell me you're trying to sell Brook Lopez and Dwight Howard would be more impactful than adding Dame.

You’re kidding yourself if you think dame going to bring you a championship while giving up a lot of defense pieces . You are basically trading for better offense for lesser defense. see Nets big 3 era of Harden, Irving, and Durant while the team was a huge offense powerhouse but sourly lack defense pierces where Nets had basically trading baskets against their opponents. Nets only hope to win was to outscore their opponents than playing actual defense. What happened if dame can’t make his shots. Team will constantly go after Dame on defense just like teams did with Vincent Gabe to wear him out. Team had figures how to wear dame down. Don’t just look at his game number. Watch the game.

I stand with my statement Heat would’ve benefited greatly with Lopez or maybe Howard to slow down Jokic while Miami try to overpowered Nuggets on offense. Bam ain’t slow down Davis in 2020 bubble playoff championship runs. Same story over and over and over

Miami Heat can win a championship with Dame if Heat doesn’t give up a lot of good defense players otherwise Heat is just a second or third rounds exit.

I havent seen the scenario where people are suggesting to give up "a lot of good defense players'. What is that? If Miami has Bam, Jimmy, a point of attack guard defender, and a swing wing defender, then Miami can have a great playoff defense. There are vet min and developmental guys that can fill in the pieces.

Miami did a better job defending Denver than anyone else in the playoffs. Miami just went on scoring droughts that became impossible to overcome.

Read on Twitter

I have a feeling this is going to be a useful tweet in the months to come.

[Wizenheimer]

Believe we can trade 18 after we use the pick, plus the 2 future picks we have and the 2 we get from Herro to make it 5. I don’t think you’re getting more than 5 for dame, if he was 27-28 maybe

Portland won't trade Dame unless he asks to be traded and he's not going so ask to be traded, if he does, until he seems what the blazers can accomplish in the off-season

so any 2023 pick is pretty much out of the picture

as a Blazer fan, I don't expect 5 first round picks for Dame, but I would expect 3, at minimum, with a couple having a chance at being in the lottery (meaning a few years out there) and 1 or 2 occurring in the next couple of years

if Portland trades Dame, it's an end of an era, and what the Blazers should do is also trade Nurkic, Simons, Grant and any player over 23 and go for a 2-4 year tank. Yes, sometimes 2-4 year tanks end up being 10-12 year tanks, but the Blazers, other than Sharpe and maybe Watford, have no young upside players. (Now, I'm probably in the minority among Blazer fans but I'm not high on Anfernee Simons. He can score for sure, but he's an undersized SG with poor PG skills who can't defend a chair. Some Blazer fans think he's got upside. Maybe they are right. But after 9 years of CJ McCollum, all I see in Simons is CJ 2.0 and I hated CJ 1.0. So I'd dump Simons in any rebuild)

[contract]

Believe we can trade 18 after we use the pick, plus the 2 future picks we have and the 2 we get from Herro to make it 5. I don’t think you’re getting more than 5 for dame, if he was 27-28 maybe

Portland won't trade Dame unless he asks to be traded and he's not going so ask to be traded, if he does, until he seems what the blazers can accomplish in the off-season

so any 2023 pick is pretty much out of the picture

as a Blazer fan, I don't expect 5 first round picks for Dame, but I would expect 3, at minimum, with a couple having a chance at being in the lottery (meaning a few years out there) and 1 or 2 occurring in the next couple of years

if Portland trades Dame, it's an end of an era, and what the Blazers should do is also trade Nurkic, Simons, Grant and any player over 23 and go for a 2-4 year tank. Yes, sometimes 2-4 year tanks end up being 10-12 year tanks, but the Blazers, other than Sharpe and maybe Watford, have no young upside players. (Now, I'm probably in the minority among Blazer fans but I'm not high on Anfernee Simons. He can score for sure, but he's an undersized SG with poor PG skills who can't defend a chair. Some Blazer fans think he's got upside. Maybe they are right. But after 9 years of CJ McCollum, all I see in Simons is CJ 2.0 and I hated CJ 1.0. So I'd dump Simons in any rebuild)

Maybe move on from Billups and find a coach that can give your team a chance to win instead of trading everyone.

[Cmon_Son-_-]

Please don't tell me you're trying to sell Brook Lopez and Dwight Howard would be more impactful than adding Dame.

You’re kidding yourself if you think dame going to bring you a championship while giving up a lot of defense pieces . You are basically trading for better offense for lesser defense. see Nets big 3 era of Harden, Irving, and Durant while the team was a huge offense powerhouse but sourly lack defense pierces where Nets had basically trading baskets against their opponents. Nets only hope to win was to outscore their opponents than playing actual defense. What happened if dame can’t make his shots. Team will constantly go after Dame on defense just like teams did with Vincent Gabe to wear him out. Team had figures how to wear dame down. Don’t just look at his game number. Watch the game.

I stand with my statement Heat would’ve benefited greatly with Lopez or maybe Howard to slow down Jokic while Miami try to overpowered Nuggets on offense. Bam ain’t slow down Davis in 2020 bubble playoff championship runs. Same story over and over and over

Miami Heat can win a championship with Dame if Heat doesn’t give up a lot of good defense players otherwise Heat is just a second or third rounds exit.

I havent seen the scenario where people are suggesting to give up "a lot of good defense players'. What is that? If Miami has Bam, Jimmy, a point of attack guard defender, and a swing wing defender, then Miami can have a great playoff defense. There are vet min and developmental guys that can fill in the pieces.

Miami did a better job defending Denver than anyone else in the playoffs. Miami just went on scoring droughts that became impossible to overcome.

Read on Twitter

I have a feeling this is going to be a useful tweet in the months to come.

What are people talking about here? lol

We made the finals with a backcourt rotation of Gabe Vincent, Max Strus, Duncan Robinson and Kyle Lowry. Not a single one of those players are plus defenders on their own. Like you said our Defense is good because its anchored by Bam and Jimmy. How I see it Dame doesn't lower our defensive floor any more than anyone already in the rotation but on offense not only is our floor higher our ceiling is much higher. Bro really doubled down on Brook Lopez over Dame cant believe it.

[NightWatch]

Our biggest issue was 100% a 3 level all star scorer and terrible guard play. Put Dame in this team and we would’ve won this championship

Yes without give up good defense players. I doubt Portland want Tyler herro but Bam. You give Bam and you get Dame. offense go up but defense go down. Now what?

You’re out of the loop my guy

Blazers are not going to want Miami’s trash, Duncan, gabe, Lowry, Martin all other malarkey or even herro. If I were Blazers, I would demand Bam to be included in the trade or I am going to hang up the phone. Bam was one of the reason why Heat was able to made it this far. Without Bam. Heat could’ve been a first round exit against the Bucks because there will be no one be able to slow down giannis like Bam could.

What’s next? Miami needs someone that can slow down elite centers like Jokic or Davis or even Embid and the like. Jokic tends to not play well against Howard instead of throw away all of the players in name of Dame, Miami can instead use Herro as a scoring threat and add more tall skills player with good defense tactics because Cody Zeller did not do Heat any favor against Jokic. Lol I don’t even know why spo decided to played Zeller because Jokic overwhelmed Zeller every time he played.

[IceColdCubano]

Yes without give up good defense players. I doubt Portland want Tyler herro but Bam. You give Bam and you get Dame. offense go up but defense go down. Now what?

You’re out of the loop my guy

Blazers are not going to want Miami’s trash, Duncan, gabe, Lowry, Martin all other malarkey or even herro. If I were Blazers, I would demand Bam to be included in the trade or I am going to hang up the phone. Bam was one of the reason why Heat was able to made it this far. Without Bam. Heat could’ve been a first round exit against the Bucks because there will be no one be able to slow down giannis like Bam could.

What’s next? Miami needs someone that can slow down elite centers like Jokic or Davis or even Embid and the like. Jokic tends to not play well against Howard instead of throw away all of the players in name of Dame, Miami can instead use Herro as a scoring threat and add more tall skills player with good defense tactics because Cody Zeller did not do Heat any favor against Jokic. Lol I don’t even know why spo decided to played Zeller because Jokic overwhelmed Zeller every time he played.

Sorry but Lillard's value is not Bam level trade value its close but not enough to demand him in the pot in equal exchange, not anymore at his age, not moving forward. He has 2 good years left, also add the fact he is 6'-2" tall, superstars that size don't win championships on their own. Herro is at a minimun half the value of Lillard, just because of the age factor and his production. Then you add the picks and you fill in the difference.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Yes without give up good defense players. I doubt Portland want Tyler herro but Bam. You give Bam and you get Dame. offense go up but defense go down. Now what?

You’re out of the loop my guy

Blazers are not going to want Miami’s trash, Duncan, gabe, Lowry, Martin all other malarkey or even herro. If I were Blazers, I would demand Bam to be included in the trade or I am going to hang up the phone. Bam was one of the reason why Heat was able to made it this far. Without Bam. Heat could’ve been a first round exit against the Bucks because there will be no one be able to slow down giannis like Bam could.

What’s next? Miami needs someone that can slow down elite centers like Jokic or Davis or even Embid and the like. Jokic tends to not play well against Howard instead of throw away all of the players in name of Dame, Miami can instead use Herro as a scoring threat and add more tall skills player with good defense tactics because Cody Zeller did not do Heat any favor against Jokic. Lol I don’t even know why spo decided to played Zeller because Jokic overwhelmed Zeller every time he played.

They’re going to get expirings to get them out of that Dame contract and free up a ton of money (that they could maybe even flip for more assets) and a handful of picks. I wouldn’t call it trash