Miami heat Official off-season thread 10.0 ITS ABOUT DAME TIME, The one where we actually land Dame this time

[AirP.]

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Amico is an idiot. The NBA wouldn't veto a deal that POR agrees to.

What? The NBA can't veto a trade unless that all parties of the trade agree to it.

David Stern veto'd the CP3 to Lakers trade because enough owners pushed him to veto it, the same thing will happen with Miami and Lillard, it's time to move on and let Portland waste a rebuilding season by keeping Lillard. Lillard should have pushed for a no trade clause vs trust a team. If I'm a player and seen what's happened with Lillard being loyal, I'd have 0 loyalty to any team since they can just trade you wherever they want. Top players should just keep signing 1+1s or 2+1 if the team won't have Bird rights to continue to have some power in team building.

[Bishop45]

yoooo'

You really need to start getting active when this thread reaches page 90!!

I snoozed, I snoozed

I wish comrade MiamiBaller the best of luck

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https://hoopshype.com/lists/ranking-the-highest-paid-players-in-miami-heat-history/

[Rapaz]

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Full NBA memo sent to all 30 teams regarding rhetoric on trade request made by Damian Lillard and his agent Aaron Goodwin.

“Recent media reports stated that Damian Lillard’s agent, Aaron Goodwin, called multiple NBA teams to warn them against trading for Lillard because Lillard’s only desired trade destination is Miami. Goodwin also made public comments indicating that Lillard would not fully perform the services called for under his player contract if traded to another team.

We interviewed Goodwin and Lillard and also spoke with several NBA teams to whom Goodwin spoke. Goodwin denied stating or indicating to any team that Lillard would refuse to play for them. Goodwin and Lillard affirmed to us that Lillard would fully perform the services called for under his player contract in any trade scenario. The relevant teams provided descriptions of their communications with Goodwin that were mostly, though not entirely, consistent with Goodwin’s statements to us.

We have advised Goodwin and Lillard that any future comments, made privately to teams or publicly, suggesting Lillard will not fully perform the services called for under his player contract in the event of a trade will subject Lillard to discipline by the NBA. We also have advised the Players Association that any similar comments by players or their agents will be subject to discipline going forward.”

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Amico is an idiot. The NBA wouldn't veto a deal that POR agrees to.

What? The NBA can't veto a trade unless that all parties of the trade agree to it.

David Stern veto'd the CP3 to Lakers trade because enough owners pushed him to veto it, the same thing will happen with Miami and Lillard, it's time to move on and let Portland waste a rebuilding season by keeping Lillard. Lillard should have pushed for a no trade clause.

The NBA was essentially operating the Hornets. This situation would be completely different.

[powerball1373]

James Harden is currently in the process of doing it for THE THIRD TIME and the memo was only on Dame lmao

I was actually wondering why this hadn't happened before. The demand is a violation of the team's rights. In essence a player accepts a ton of money to forfeit the right to decide where he plays. Absent a no trade clause or a sign and trade, players aren't supposed to be picking their destination. I don't know what kind of discipline the NBA could impose though.

Yes, exactly. There's a reason why no-trade clauses are so rare now and why it was considered a wart on Beal's already bad contract. The NBA had to draw a line somewhere before every 'star' player tried to make their own no-trade clause.

Imagine if Messi signed that mega-deal to play in Saudi and then was like 'meh, nevermind, trade me to Miami'.

[CrossOver]

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Amico is an idiot. The NBA wouldn't veto a deal that POR agrees to.

What? The NBA can't veto a trade unless that all parties of the trade agree to it.

David Stern veto'd the CP3 to Lakers trade because enough owners pushed him to veto it, the same thing will happen with Miami and Lillard, it's time to move on and let Portland waste a rebuilding season by keeping Lillard. Lillard should have pushed for a no trade clause.

The CP3 trade was not veto'd because other teams were upset. It got veto'd because the person that made the trade for NO didn't have the authority to do it when the NBA was controlling owner of the team at the moment. There wasn't an actual owner in place to give the go ahead for that deal. They are no where neat the same situation.

The NBA would not veto a deal that Portland would agree to in this instance.

[contract]

yoooo'

You really need to start getting active when this thread reaches page 90!!

I snoozed, I snoozed

I wish comrade MiamiBaller the best of luck

Same thing happened to baller with previous threads. OPing is all about sharp elbows and timing.

[wadenation305]

The thing is the players are the product. The teams are worthless. If all the players decided tomorrow that they are playing in the MBA instead of NBA (After their contracts for legal reasons). What will people watch? the MBA or NBA? The players bring the money, the team is just a vehicle. The league wants to tie the player's money to being married to one team, they try to exert power over the very thing that brings the league money by saying "Well you can only have what you are worth if you relinquish basic human rights over to this corporate entity, and they own you. No amount of 0's in a paycheck will ever make that feel right. If people don't want to go to your **** team or stay on your **** team, you should do a little bit of introspection because you are the problem.

These **** team never fix their issues in their FO, in the way they draft, in the way they try to build a team. They are so blind that the only thought that goes through their head is "We just need this player, if we get him everything else comes and we win like magic" when that is simply not the case at all. Strong championship winners are the combination of talent and a competent front office. Not many front offices are competent.

[AirP.]

Amico is an idiot. The NBA wouldn't veto a deal that POR agrees to.

What? The NBA can't veto a trade unless that all parties of the trade agree to it.

David Stern veto'd the CP3 to Lakers trade because enough owners pushed him to veto it, the same thing will happen with Miami and Lillard, it's time to move on and let Portland waste a rebuilding season by keeping Lillard. Lillard should have pushed for a no trade clause.

The NBA was essentially operating the Hornets. This situation would be completely different.

No... the NBA was operating the Hornets and agreed to the trade, only after enough owners bitched about it did it get veto'd.

[Rapaz]

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Join Ethan Freud-Skolnick later tonight to discuss Miami's Persecution Complex.

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Amico is an idiot. The NBA wouldn't veto a deal that POR agrees to.

What? The NBA can't veto a trade unless that all parties of the trade agree to it.

David Stern veto'd the CP3 to Lakers trade because enough owners pushed him to veto it, the same thing will happen with Miami and Lillard, it's time to move on and let Portland waste a rebuilding season by keeping Lillard. Lillard should have pushed for a no trade clause vs trust a team. If I'm a player and seen what's happened with Lillard being loyal, I'd have 0 loyalty to any team since they can just trade you wherever they want. Top players should just keep signing 1+1s or 2+1 if the team won't have Bird rights to continue to have some power in team building.

Lillard's agent should have pushed for the clause. He dropped the ball if he didn't. And if he did and the Blazers said no, then that should have set off every alarm.

[wadenation305]

James Harden is currently in the process of doing it for THE THIRD TIME and the memo was only on Dame lmao

I was actually wondering why this hadn't happened before. The demand is a violation of the team's rights. In essence a player accepts a ton of money to forfeit the right to decide where he plays. Absent a no trade clause or a sign and trade, players aren't supposed to be picking their destination. I don't know what kind of discipline the NBA could impose though.

Yes, exactly. There's a reason why no-trade clauses are so rare now and why it was considered a wart on Beal's already bad contract. The NBA had to draw a line somewhere before every 'star' player tried to make their own no-trade clause.

Imagine if Messi signed that mega-deal to play in Saudi and then was like 'meh, nevermind, trade me to Miami'.

Well first, Miami would have to want to take on that massive contract. Second, It's not like he gets traded to Miami but Saudi Arabia gets stuck paying the contract. So how does it hurt Saudi Arabia? Because they can't control him and force him to stay with them as their property?

[CrossOver]

Amico is an idiot. The NBA wouldn't veto a deal that POR agrees to.

What? The NBA can't veto a trade unless that all parties of the trade agree to it.

David Stern veto'd the CP3 to Lakers trade because enough owners pushed him to veto it, the same thing will happen with Miami and Lillard, it's time to move on and let Portland waste a rebuilding season by keeping Lillard. Lillard should have pushed for a no trade clause vs trust a team. If I'm a player and seen what's happened with Lillard being loyal, I'd have 0 loyalty to any team since they can just trade you wherever they want. Top players should just keep signing 1+1s or 2+1 if the team won't have Bird rights to continue to have some power in team building.

Lillard's agent should have pushed for the clause. He dropped the ball if he didn't. And if he did and the Blazers said no, then that should have set off every alarm.

Even the best players in the world don't get No trade clauses. The Beal one was Washington being beyond stupid and that was proven this off-season.

[AirP.]

Amico is an idiot. The NBA wouldn't veto a deal that POR agrees to.

What? The NBA can't veto a trade unless that all parties of the trade agree to it.

David Stern veto'd the CP3 to Lakers trade because enough owners pushed him to veto it, the same thing will happen with Miami and Lillard, it's time to move on and let Portland waste a rebuilding season by keeping Lillard. Lillard should have pushed for a no trade clause vs trust a team. If I'm a player and seen what's happened with Lillard being loyal, I'd have 0 loyalty to any team since they can just trade you wherever they want. Top players should just keep signing 1+1s or 2+1 if the team won't have Bird rights to continue to have some power in team building.

Lillard's agent should have pushed for the clause. He dropped the ball if he didn't. And if he did and the Blazers said no, then that should have set off every alarm.

They trusted Portland to continue to build around him and they lied to him, this is the only reason he wants to leave. This is something that could really change the NBA, I would expect there will be an uptick in NTC requests.

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What? The NBA can't veto a trade unless that all parties of the trade agree to it.

David Stern veto'd the CP3 to Lakers trade because enough owners pushed him to veto it, the same thing will happen with Miami and Lillard, it's time to move on and let Portland waste a rebuilding season by keeping Lillard. Lillard should have pushed for a no trade clause.

The NBA was essentially operating the Hornets. This situation would be completely different.

No... the NBA was operating the Hornets and agreed to the trade, only after enough owners bitched about it did it get veto'd.

That is incorrect.

[contract]

The thing is the players are the product. The teams are worthless. If all the players decided tomorrow that they are playing in the MBA instead of NBA (After their contracts for legal reasons). What will people watch? the MBA or NBA? The players bring the money, the team is just a vehicle. The league wants to tie the player's money to being married to one team, they try to exert power over the very thing that brings the league money by saying "Well you can only have what you are worth if you relinquish basic human rights over to this corporate entity, and they own you. No amount of 0's in a paycheck will ever make that feel right. If people don't want to go to your **** team or stay on your **** team, you should do a little bit of introspection because you are the problem.

These **** team never fix their issues in their FO, in the way they draft, in the way they try to build a team. They are so blind that the only thought that goes through their head is "We just need this player, if we get him everything else comes and we win like magic" when that is simply not the case at all. Strong championship winners are the combination of talent and a competent front office. Not many front offices are competent.

While I somewhat agree with this ...

1. Players come and go and fans tend to stick around and root for their favorite team.

2. There's still no NBPA owned league.

IMO #2 should have happened a long time ago, but no one really wants to kill the goose they know for sure lays golden eggs to replace it with a maybe.

[AirP.]

The NBA was essentially operating the Hornets. This situation would be completely different.

No... the NBA was operating the Hornets and agreed to the trade, only after enough owners bitched about it did it get veto'd.

That is incorrect.

From ESPN:

... a group of NBA owners, assembled in New York for the ratification of the league's new labor pact with the players, protested vigorously that the league-owned Hornets were trading Paul to the star-studded Lakers and convinced NBA commissioner David Stern to intervene.

https://www.businessinsider.com/chris-paul-lakers-2011-12

Stern killed the Hornets' trade of Paul after several owners complained about the league-owned team dealing the All-Star point guard to the Lakers, league sources said.

Some owners pushed Stern to nullify the trade and that the Hornets be made to keep Paul on the roster for the foreseeable future, sources said. A chorus of owners were irate with the belief that the five-month lockout had happened largely to stop big-market teams from leveraging small-market teams for star players pending free agency.

https://sports.yahoo.com/aw-wojnarowski_chris_paul_lakers_hornets_nba_120811.html

The Yahoo story was written by Adrian Wojnarowski.

[wade44]

NBA would look a lot more graceful if they just came out and just admit that they hate the Miami Heat. Between this and the Lowry tampering thing in just a 2 year span, they can’t make it any more obvious

[powerball1373]

I was actually wondering why this hadn't happened before. The demand is a violation of the team's rights. In essence a player accepts a ton of money to forfeit the right to decide where he plays. Absent a no trade clause or a sign and trade, players aren't supposed to be picking their destination. I don't know what kind of discipline the NBA could impose though.

Yes, exactly. There's a reason why no-trade clauses are so rare now and why it was considered a wart on Beal's already bad contract. The NBA had to draw a line somewhere before every 'star' player tried to make their own no-trade clause.

Imagine if Messi signed that mega-deal to play in Saudi and then was like 'meh, nevermind, trade me to Miami'.

Well first, Miami would have to want to take on that massive contract. Second, It's not like he gets traded to Miami but Saudi Arabia gets stuck paying the contract. So how does it hurt Saudi Arabia? Because they can't control him and force him to stay with them as their property?

It was more of a tongue-in-cheek example, not meant to be an apples-to-apples comparison. If a player wants full control over where he plays every year, then he should just sign 1-year deals. You don't get to have your security blanket of a long-term deal AND be able to choose where you play every year. I also don't think he should be required to stay in Portland against his will, but if you're going to request a trade, you need to at least be reasonable and provide a list of more than one single team lol. That's the problem in all of this.