2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1

[contract]

We are going to get Durant a lot cheaper then anyone expects.

Why would we want an almost 40 yr old Durant? I don't we would go anywhere with him and whoever is left after we trade for him.

Did you watch basketball this season outside of Miami games?

I guess it's time for my annual barrage of posts showing the performance of older NBA players.

Number of NBA players avg 20 ppg or more this regular season by age:

34 or older: 6
35 or older: 5
36 or older: 3
37 or older: 2
38 or older: 1

Number of NBA players avg 15 ppg or more this regular season by age:

34 or older: 9
35 or older: 7
36 or older: 3
37 or older: 2
38 or older: 1

That's how quickly it happens. This is why I didn't want to extend Jimmy. This is why I oppose giving older players multi-year contracts. This is why I don't want to spend assets or cap space on older players at all if possible ... with franchise GOAT being the exception. I don't understand why Heat fans keep wanting to place bets on older players.

[Lennyzinho]

If durant happens it happens… we have been dissapointed too many times before… what’s our realistic back up plan if no durant?

Honestly idk. I would expect to have similar team. Play the young guys, use our draft pick on a top 10 guy.
Have rozier love duncan expire (44M cap space), figure out jovic extension, have Wiggins and kyle anderson on expirings to match contracts (40M) for a trade...

And then have a v different looking team. But biggest problem is that we should have traded Jimmy for more assets, tanked this year, and added a top pick this year and then gotten durant. Riley basically wasted two years between season thats ending and next season. But I'll be shocked if Riley does nothing. I genuinely don't know what hes thinking. Probably about naps and feeding pigeons at the park and how much it hurts when he pees.

[wade44]

If we’re being real about this offseason, nothing major should be expected. Duncan will be released to save 10m. Likely let Rozier expire at the end of next season over trading him to get far away from the first apron and give the team a lot of spending flexibility (likely setting up the herro extension). Mitchell probably gets extended for a team friendly deal. Who knows where we go from there I think the purgatory charade may continue into the distant future since the organization overvalues Bam and Herro to a large degree

[eddieheatfan]

Why would we want an almost 40 yr old Durant? I don't we would go anywhere with him and whoever is left after we trade for him.

Did you watch basketball this season outside of Miami games?

I guess it's time for my annual barrage of posts showing the performance of older NBA players.

Number of NBA players avg 20 ppg or more this regular season by age:

34 or older: 6
35 or older: 5
36 or older: 3
37 or older: 2
38 or older: 1

Number of NBA players avg 15 ppg or more this regular season by age:

34 or older: 9
35 or older: 7
36 or older: 3
37 or older: 2
38 or older: 1

That's how quickly it happens. This is why I didn't want to extend Jimmy. This is why I oppose giving older players multi-year contracts. This is why I don't want to spend assets or cap space on older players at all if possible ... with franchise GOAT being the exception. I don't understand why Heat fans keep wanting to place bets on older players.

because they want the heat to be relevant again. but it wont happen until change in philosophy and FO personnel and players are achieved. nobody wants to really come here after lebron left and even less when they saw the spectacle with butler. years of purgatory awaits us all til FO retires or kicks the bucket whatever happens first

[HeatFan_NC]

If durant happens it happens… we have been dissapointed too many times before… what’s our realistic back up plan if no durant?

How many years does Durant have left on his current contract? If Riles didn't want to commit to an aging Jimmy B., I don't see why he would go after Durant.

[DayofMourning]

Herro to Philly for 3rd pick?

[MettaWorldPanda]

If durant happens it happens… we have been dissapointed too many times before… what’s our realistic back up plan if no durant?

How many years does Durant have left on his current contract? If Riles didn't want to commit to an aging Jimmy B., I don't see why he would go after Durant.

Extending Butler was more of a cap issue due to the dead money we had on the cap with Duncan and Rozier. That’s about 46 million in dead money that you can now flip on a player like Durant. Riley has mentioned plenty of times that an aging star is not an issue. Just imagine how the books would have been with Butler at 60 and Duncan w Rozier still on the books for another year. Tax hell

[contract]

Did you watch basketball this season outside of Miami games?

I guess it's time for my annual barrage of posts showing the performance of older NBA players.

Number of NBA players avg 20 ppg or more this regular season by age:

34 or older: 6
35 or older: 5
36 or older: 3
37 or older: 2
38 or older: 1

Number of NBA players avg 15 ppg or more this regular season by age:

34 or older: 9
35 or older: 7
36 or older: 3
37 or older: 2
38 or older: 1

That's how quickly it happens. This is why I didn't want to extend Jimmy. This is why I oppose giving older players multi-year contracts. This is why I don't want to spend assets or cap space on older players at all if possible ... with franchise GOAT being the exception. I don't understand why Heat fans keep wanting to place bets on older players.

because they want the heat to be relevant again. but it wont happen until change in philosophy and FO personnel and players are achieved. nobody wants to really come here after lebron left and even less when they saw the spectacle with butler. years of purgatory awaits us all til FO retires or kicks the bucket whatever happens first

But that's the thing, if you want to be relevant you need to acquire a young Wade or a prime Lebron or a prime Durant, not a Durant on his last leg. The absolute best case scenario with signing Durant is that we'd be relevant again for 1 year and then we'd be right back here the year after. And that's the absolute best case. The much more likely outcome is that age and injuries and the team deficiencies around Durant would leave us a play-in team this next season and we'd be right back here next offseason but with 2 massive extension years left on Durant's contract.

[contract]

Herro to Philly for 3rd pick?

I'm in!

[contract]

If durant happens it happens… we have been dissapointed too many times before… what’s our realistic back up plan if no durant?

How many years does Durant have left on his current contract? If Riles didn't want to commit to an aging Jimmy B., I don't see why he would go after Durant.

Extending Butler was more of a cap issue due to the dead money we had on the cap with Duncan and Rozier. That’s about 46 million in dead money that you can now flip on a player like Durant. Riley has mentioned plenty of times that an aging star is not an issue. Just imagine how the books would have been with Butler at 60 and Duncan w Rozier still on the books for another year. Tax hell

Durant is earning (a little) more next season than Jimmy is.

[Beenie]

Herro to Philly for 3rd pick?

Their guards are set with Maxie and Mccain plus what salary would Mia need to be taking back?

Assuming PG, Embiid and Maxie are excluded, Philly would need to piece together like 7/8 small contracts.

A 3rd team would likely need to get involved and if that were to happen, that team would likely try to undercut Mia and offer something better than Herro for the 3rd pick.

Again, unless Mia would be willing to take on PG...

[oreon]

Herro to Philly for 3rd pick?

I like this idea. This is the kind of moves FO should be looking into.
But you would have to eat PG13 contract. Which would be tough. You are basically signing up for 3 years of dead money. I would try to get another protected 1st so I can swap with Hornets for our pick back

Another move FO should explore is Spurs with Bam. If Spurs don't want to part with the 2nd and are planning to draft Dylan Harper. Then we can offer them a cheaper option. Bam for Castle + Atlanta 14th pock + Atlanta 2027 1st rounder + Keldon Johnson. If Keldon Johnson is a deal breaker than another pick + Harrison expiring

I would do both if I could. You would rebuild in one summer and you hope that Castle or Ace Bailey can grow into that no 1 option. A core of Castle, Bailey , Ware , Jovic would be fun to root for. A lot more fun than grandpa KD

[DayofMourning]

Herro to Philly for 3rd pick?

I like this idea. This is the kind of moves FO should be looking into.
But you would have to eat PG13 contract. Which would be tough. You are basically signing up for 3 years of dead money. I would try to get another protected 1st so I can swap with Hornets for our pick back

Another move FO should explore is Spurs with Bam. If Spurs don't want to part with the 2nd and are planning to draft Dylan Harper. Then we can offer them a cheaper option. Bam for Castle + Atlanta 14th pock + Atlanta 2027 1st rounder + Keldon Johnson. If Keldon Johnson is a deal breaker than another pick + Harrison expiring

I would do both if I could. You would rebuild in one summer and you hope that Castle or Ace Bailey can grow into that no 1 option. A core of Castle, Bailey , Ware , Jovic would be fun to root for. A lot more fun than grandpa KD

Harper (2nd pick)
VJ (3rd pick)
Jaime
Jovic
Ware

Asa (14th pick)
Keshad
Larsson
JChris
WCJ (20th pick)

Rebuilt in 1 year lol:)

[Daffy]

Why would we want an almost 40 yr old Durant? I don't we would go anywhere with him and whoever is left after we trade for him.

Did you watch basketball this season outside of Miami games?

I guess it's time for my annual barrage of posts showing the performance of older NBA players.

Number of NBA players avg 20 ppg or more this regular season by age:

34 or older: 6
35 or older: 5
36 or older: 3
37 or older: 2
38 or older: 1

Number of NBA players avg 15 ppg or more this regular season by age:

34 or older: 9
35 or older: 7
36 or older: 3
37 or older: 2
38 or older: 1

That's how quickly it happens. This is why I didn't want to extend Jimmy. This is why I oppose giving older players multi-year contracts. This is why I don't want to spend assets or cap space on older players at all if possible ... with franchise GOAT being the exception. I don't understand why Heat fans keep wanting to place bets on older players.

If you watched KD this season and think he's going to magically fall off a cliff over 2 years then I guess. That's your opinion. KD is still an elite scorer. Will he surrounded by a better supporting cast in Miami that plays defense. His scoring also allows the game to become easier on the offensive end for guys like Herro and Bam.

[oreon]

Herro to Philly for 3rd pick?

I like this idea. This is the kind of moves FO should be looking into.
But you would have to eat PG13 contract. Which would be tough. You are basically signing up for 3 years of dead money. I would try to get another protected 1st so I can swap with Hornets for our pick back

Another move FO should explore is Spurs with Bam. If Spurs don't want to part with the 2nd and are planning to draft Dylan Harper. Then we can offer them a cheaper option. Bam for Castle + Atlanta 14th pock + Atlanta 2027 1st rounder + Keldon Johnson. If Keldon Johnson is a deal breaker than another pick + Harrison expiring

I would do both if I could. You would rebuild in one summer and you hope that Castle or Ace Bailey can grow into that no 1 option. A core of Castle, Bailey , Ware , Jovic would be fun to root for. A lot more fun than grandpa KD

Harper (2nd pick)
VJ (3rd pick)
Jaime
Jovic
Ware

Asa (14th pick)
Keshad
Larsson
JChris
WCJ (20th pick)

Rebuilt in 1 year lol:)

I would kill for this even though this is beyond a pipe dream. But you wouldn't go Bailey over VJ ? All I know is what I've read and both guys are same tier. So it would make more sense to me if you pick Harper 2nd then you would go for length with the next pick.

[Daffy]

Did you watch basketball this season outside of Miami games?

I guess it's time for my annual barrage of posts showing the performance of older NBA players.

Number of NBA players avg 20 ppg or more this regular season by age:

34 or older: 6
35 or older: 5
36 or older: 3
37 or older: 2
38 or older: 1

Number of NBA players avg 15 ppg or more this regular season by age:

34 or older: 9
35 or older: 7
36 or older: 3
37 or older: 2
38 or older: 1

That's how quickly it happens. This is why I didn't want to extend Jimmy. This is why I oppose giving older players multi-year contracts. This is why I don't want to spend assets or cap space on older players at all if possible ... with franchise GOAT being the exception. I don't understand why Heat fans keep wanting to place bets on older players.

because they want the heat to be relevant again. but it wont happen until change in philosophy and FO personnel and players are achieved. nobody wants to really come here after lebron left and even less when they saw the spectacle with butler. years of purgatory awaits us all til FO retires or kicks the bucket whatever happens first

No one wants to come here after Lebron left?

Butler, Beal, Donovan Mitchell, Durant, Dame, Aldridge, Hayward, Harden. All these guys were fine with coming here but didn't for one reason or the next.

No one wants to come here after the spectacle with Butler? How do we know that. We literally just traded Butler a few months ago. The season is still currently going in with the playoffs.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If you’re trading Herro for the 3rd pick are you doing a full tear down and sending Bam out as well or is it for a quick retool? If it’s a teardown at that point you shouldn’t care to eat PGs contract, let him rot until his contract expires as the young guys grow and develop

[DayofMourning]

I would kill for this even though this is beyond a pipe dream. But you wouldn't go Bailey over VJ ? All I know is what I've read and both guys are same tier. So it would make more sense to me if you pick Harper 2nd then you would go for length with the next pick.

I think VJs elite athleticism, defensive potential and approach to the game are a great fit with Harper.

Im mild on Ace at this point. Would like to see more of a standout skill besides taking and making touch shots.

[wade44]

Herro to Philly for 3rd pick?

I like this idea. This is the kind of moves FO should be looking into.
But you would have to eat PG13 contract. Which would be tough. You are basically signing up for 3 years of dead money. I would try to get another protected 1st so I can swap with Hornets for our pick back

Another move FO should explore is Spurs with Bam. If Spurs don't want to part with the 2nd and are planning to draft Dylan Harper. Then we can offer them a cheaper option. Bam for Castle + Atlanta 14th pock + Atlanta 2027 1st rounder + Keldon Johnson. If Keldon Johnson is a deal breaker than another pick + Harrison expiring

I would do both if I could. You would rebuild in one summer and you hope that Castle or Ace Bailey can grow into that no 1 option. A core of Castle, Bailey , Ware , Jovic would be fun to root for. A lot more fun than grandpa KD

It’s so painfully obvious this is what the team needs now. There’s no way out of this until we do a complete reset

[oreon]

I would kill for this even though this is beyond a pipe dream. But you wouldn't go Bailey over VJ ? All I know is what I've read and both guys are same tier. So it would make more sense to me if you pick Harper 2nd then you would go for length with the next pick.

I think VJs elite athleticism, defensive potential and approach to the game are a great fit with Harper.

Im mild on Ace at this point. Would like to see more of a standout skill besides taking and making touvh shots.

I am just looking at what is working right now and its an elite guard + length & athleticism. OKC, Wolves, Pacers all fit that mould. And so does Denver but their main guy is a big. The one team that was built around 2 guards, flopped. If I were building a team I would try to get an athletic dynamic guard who can be an average shooter at the least, a real center who can make 3s & protect paint + a ton of long athletes.