G26: Grizzlies @ Heat // Mon 12/6/21 7:30 PM EST

[insfo]

Stop trolling

mods

Can the both of you just stop the antics already. Block each other and move on. Stop derailing and baiting each other. Take this as a final warning

After reading through some 8 pages of the back and forth, I got the feeling that they were both the same poster using 2 accounts and trolling the hell out of the rest of us!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

mods

Can the both of you just stop the antics already. Block each other and move on. Stop derailing and baiting each other. Take this as a final warning

After reading through some 8 pages of the back and forth, I got the feeling that they were both the same poster using 2 accounts and trolling the hell out of the rest of us!

Dammit you got me!!!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

This team feels pretty irrelevant right now especially if Jimmy is out for any extended period

As far as Butler, there’s definitely some concern there going forward. So much of the guy’s game relies on elevating high and taking big spills a little like D Wade. I worry about his longevity by the time the playoffs begin and whether he will be healthy enough to have a major impact

If I had to guess we’ll be without Butler for at least the next 2-3 weeks because of the re-aggravation. Team has to show some resolve in that period. Where is the scoring going to come from with that starting unit? Dedmon and Tucker don’t provide hardly any. You start Herro and then your bench scoring suffers big time. Seems that the slow starts are leaving us behind the eight ball for the rest of the game

Also anyone know the deal with Strus? 0 shots in 6 minutes of play. Dude goes invisible at time when he’s on the court

That’s the thing, only 6 minutes of play after a career high of 25 last game. Spo needs to set his rotation and stop playing with these guys minutes.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

ya'll see what I see? herro just a streaky shooter and cannot be relied on like the HEAT hope. yes he shot well this game .... but what about the last 4?

[somerandomdude]

I don't see how we can blame Spo.

Everyone deserves blame, but I'll take you up on that challenge

* Duncan Robinson hasn't been worth playing for all but 3 games, yet he continues to start and log significant minutes
* PJ Tucker is a 6'5 PF who doesn't score, and our offense is 4v5 because of him, but he still starts and logs significant minutes
* Dedmon makes more mistakes than Yurtz, despite being a +10yr vet, and has more bad plays, but still starts and logs significant minutes
* Smallball is not a winning strategy, but he continues to stick to it no matter what
* When he does play a big, he likes to have him out on the perimeter defensively, which is a mistake that leads to mismatches in the post, such as Caleb Martin having to box out Steven Adams
* For years, our offense has been perimeter-oriented. This goes back to Whiteside, but since many people here hate him, then just reference how Bam is 5 years in this league and still doesn't have a bigger role than he did 2 years ago. He's still mostly just setting picks and grabbing o-rebs. Even his one skill we were using, his passing ability, isn't taken advantage of any more because of Lowry. That would be acceptable if his scoring took a big jump, but it hasn't. Funny enough, KD was interviewed and he said he was most impressed with Bam in the Oympics, namely Bam's offense, but we don't attempt to even reward him for it, let alone take advantage of it.
* We've been in a losing slump for quite some time already and the only change Spo's made was to give Yurtz minutes. Playing Yurtz was a positive step, but he still has Yurtz on thin ice for **** that Dedmon gets away with a lot more in every game.

[contract]

his lineups suck. why does he play so small? i agree the heat need more shooters and length but Spo could try different combinations

I don't understand...what other options does he have? What combination in our team would be effective without Bam?

Only one person could have combatted Stephen Adams tonight...Udonis like 8 years ago. Other than that, with Bam out we don't have much at that position. Dedmond is a backup.

Oops just read this. I already posted the lineups i would play

Yurts
Dedmon
Tucker
Herro
Lowry

would be a tough lineup and give Herro the defensive backup to erase his mistakes. Also Yurts, Ded, Tuck and Lowry can all hit threes and could launch em as they got open.

Im telling you Spos system favors speed and shooting. We have the speed but we dont have the shooting so right now his program needs to be tweaked, rebooted, what have you.

Even if Lowry was 6 years younger, that lineup would have a tough time scoring.

[harlem_ball]

I don't understand...what other options does he have? What combination in our team would be effective without Bam?

Only one person could have combatted Stephen Adams tonight...Udonis like 8 years ago. Other than that, with Bam out we don't have much at that position. Dedmond is a backup.

Oops just read this. I already posted the lineups i would play

Yurts
Dedmon
Tucker
Herro
Lowry

would be a tough lineup and give Herro the defensive backup to erase his mistakes. Also Yurts, Ded, Tuck and Lowry can all hit threes and could launch em as they got open.

Im telling you Spos system favors speed and shooting. We have the speed but we dont have the shooting so right now his program needs to be tweaked, rebooted, what have you.

Even if Lowry was 6 years younger, that lineup would have a tough time scoring.

It's a defensive lineup but it's not like the Heat are scoring in droves anyways. Herro is going to score regardless and you need to body the bigs. Tucker will hit shots. Lowry will ISO. Both the Deadman and Yurts can hit threes and can bother you with length. It worked for Cleveland.

You have to try different things. Look at Belichick last night, only 3 passes all game. Genius.

[harlem_ball]

I don't understand...what other options does he have? What combination in our team would be effective without Bam?

Only one person could have combatted Stephen Adams tonight...Udonis like 8 years ago. Other than that, with Bam out we don't have much at that position. Dedmond is a backup.

Oops just read this. I already posted the lineups i would play

Yurts
Dedmon
Tucker
Herro
Lowry

would be a tough lineup and give Herro the defensive backup to erase his mistakes. Also Yurts, Ded, Tuck and Lowry can all hit threes and could launch em as they got open.

Im telling you Spos system favors speed and shooting. We have the speed but we dont have the shooting so right now his program needs to be tweaked, rebooted, what have you.

You're kidding right ? So play two slow footed centers together with PJ. Good luck scoring. On the other end, a team with shooters is going to do what Clips did to Gobert. Run a pick and roll with Dedmon at top, if Yurts comes to help just blow by him and if he doesn't you get an open mid range. Going big doesn't necessarily equal better defense. Mobility and speed is also important.

Dedmons slow footed now? WHat Clips did to Gobert was basically make him chase out to the 3 line. What if you tried a zone? WHatever Miami is doing now isnt working. All im saying is switch things up a bit.

[harlem_ball]

mods

Can the both of you just stop the antics already. Block each other and move on. Stop derailing and baiting each other. Take this as a final warning

After reading through some 8 pages of the back and forth, I got the feeling that they were both the same poster using 2 accounts and trolling the hell out of the rest of us!

no. that's ridiculous. what is this QAnon?

I consider myself to be a poster with integrity.

Don't make me block you too

[harlem_ball]

I don't see how we can blame Spo.

Everyone deserves blame, but I'll take you up on that challenge

* Duncan Robinson hasn't been worth playing for all but 3 games, yet he continues to start and log significant minutes
spo is trying to see if he plays out of the slump
* PJ Tucker is a 6'5 PF who doesn't score, and our offense is 4v5 because of him, but he still starts and logs significant minutes
Tucker can score but he has to be set up. his 3 ball is money
* Dedmon makes more mistakes than Yurtz, despite being a +10yr vet, and has more bad plays, but still starts and logs significant minutes
ok
* Smallball is not a winning strategy, but he continues to stick to it no matter what
yep
* When he does play a big, he likes to have him out on the perimeter defensively, which is a mistake that leads to mismatches in the post, such as Caleb Martin having to box out Steven Adams
yes, big problem w this switch strategy.
* For years, our offense has been perimeter-oriented. This goes back to Whiteside, but since many people here hate him, then just reference how Bam is 5 years in this league and still doesn't have a bigger role than he did 2 years ago. He's still mostly just setting picks and grabbing o-rebs. Even his one skill we were using, his passing ability, isn't taken advantage of any more because of Lowry. That would be acceptable if his scoring took a big jump, but it hasn't. Funny enough, KD was interviewed and he said he was most impressed with Bam in the Oympics, namely Bam's offense, but we don't attempt to even reward him for it, let alone take advantage of it.
Interesting insight.
* We've been in a losing slump for quite some time already and the only change Spo's made was to give Yurtz minutes. Playing Yurtz was a positive step, but he still has Yurtz on thin ice for **** that Dedmon gets away with a lot more in every game.
True. Once Spo Beasley's you, its over.

responses in bold. A+

[MorbidHEAT]

I don't see how we can blame Spo.

Everyone deserves blame, but I'll take you up on that challenge

* Duncan Robinson hasn't been worth playing for all but 3 games, yet he continues to start and log significant minutes
* PJ Tucker is a 6'5 PF who doesn't score, and our offense is 4v5 because of him, but he still starts and logs significant minutes
* Dedmon makes more mistakes than Yurtz, despite being a +10yr vet, and has more bad plays, but still starts and logs significant minutes
* Smallball is not a winning strategy, but he continues to stick to it no matter what
* When he does play a big, he likes to have him out on the perimeter defensively, which is a mistake that leads to mismatches in the post, such as Caleb Martin having to box out Steven Adams
* For years, our offense has been perimeter-oriented. This goes back to Whiteside, but since many people here hate him, then just reference how Bam is 5 years in this league and still doesn't have a bigger role than he did 2 years ago. He's still mostly just setting picks and grabbing o-rebs. Even his one skill we were using, his passing ability, isn't taken advantage of any more because of Lowry. That would be acceptable if his scoring took a big jump, but it hasn't. Funny enough, KD was interviewed and he said he was most impressed with Bam in the Oympics, namely Bam's offense, but we don't attempt to even reward him for it, let alone take advantage of it.
* We've been in a losing slump for quite some time already and the only change Spo's made was to give Yurtz minutes. Playing Yurtz was a positive step, but he still has Yurtz on thin ice for **** that Dedmon gets away with a lot more in every game.

About 95% of what you said is personnel issues that fall on the front office, which was precisely my point if you hadn't erased it from the post that you quoted.

For Duncan, coaches don't abandon shooters...ever. The theory on shooters is just let them keep shooting. I'm not sure if any coach this early into the season would bench a player completely for going through a slump. Its possible a few coaches may do it, but not after that player just got a 90 mil contract.

If Yurt is the savior, we are in a lot of trouble. Too many missed assignments. Doesn't position himself well for rebounds
Only thing he's done well is get a few blocks. Not his fault, but he is way too raw to be counted on in an area we already weak.

I understand everything you're saying, but it really falls more on the front office.

[oreon]

Oops just read this. I already posted the lineups i would play

Yurts
Dedmon
Tucker
Herro
Lowry

would be a tough lineup and give Herro the defensive backup to erase his mistakes. Also Yurts, Ded, Tuck and Lowry can all hit threes and could launch em as they got open.

Im telling you Spos system favors speed and shooting. We have the speed but we dont have the shooting so right now his program needs to be tweaked, rebooted, what have you.

You're kidding right ? So play two slow footed centers together with PJ. Good luck scoring. On the other end, a team with shooters is going to do what Clips did to Gobert. Run a pick and roll with Dedmon at top, if Yurts comes to help just blow by him and if he doesn't you get an open mid range. Going big doesn't necessarily equal better defense. Mobility and speed is also important.

Dedmons slow footed now? WHat Clips did to Gobert was basically make him chase out to the 3 line. What if you tried a zone? WHatever Miami is doing now isnt working. All im saying is switch things up a bit.

Gobert is a lot more mobile than Dedmon and Yurt, and he's an elite defender and yet he got burnt on those pick and rolls. If you play both Yurt and Dedmon, one of them is going to get dragged to the perimeter and it will hurt you defensively.
I agree that the switching isn't working with Bam out. I wish we could have an athletic 7 footer rim protector especially for when Bam is out. You could just play drop defense instead of having guys like Herro, Robinson switch when they're not equipped to do that effectively. I wouldn't mind playing Yurt more and seeing if he can be a rim deterrent but in no way should he play with Dedmon.
And they absolutely should use the last roster spot on someone. We can drop a lot in the standings while waiting for Bam to come back and Butler to be healthy. They should try to get a 4 with some size and athleticism. Or if Yurt isn't a great rim protector go get an athletic 7 footer from somewhere.

[Bishop45]

mods

Can the both of you just stop the antics already. Block each other and move on. Stop derailing and baiting each other. Take this as a final warning

After reading through some 8 pages of the back and forth, I got the feeling that they were both the same poster using 2 accounts and trolling the hell out of the rest of us!

[harlem_ball]

You're kidding right ? So play two slow footed centers together with PJ. Good luck scoring. On the other end, a team with shooters is going to do what Clips did to Gobert. Run a pick and roll with Dedmon at top, if Yurts comes to help just blow by him and if he doesn't you get an open mid range. Going big doesn't necessarily equal better defense. Mobility and speed is also important.

Dedmons slow footed now? WHat Clips did to Gobert was basically make him chase out to the 3 line. What if you tried a zone? WHatever Miami is doing now isnt working. All im saying is switch things up a bit.

Gobert is a lot more mobile than Dedmon and Yurt, and he's an elite defender and yet he got burnt on those pick and rolls.
You have to live with that. Rebounding and bothering the paint closes the interior and then you have to protect the 3 line. Neither is getting done. Id rather give up a pick n roll than have mismatches inside and then not cover the 3 line
If you play both Yurt and Dedmon, one of them is going to get dragged to the perimeter and it will hurt you defensively.
Again, maybe try a zone.
I agree that the switching isn't working with Bam out. I wish we could have an athletic 7 footer rim protector especially for when Bam is out. You could just play drop defense instead of having guys like Herro, Robinson switch when they're not equipped to do that effectively. I wouldn't mind playing Yurt more and seeing if he can be a rim deterrent but in no way should he play with Dedmon.
Try things, experiment. Your answers are definitive as if you actually knew and you havent even tried things. Thats SPOs mentality and it sucks. Be different. Sports are not an exact science.
And they absolutely should use the last roster spot on someone. We can drop a lot in the standings while waiting for Bam to come back and Butler to be healthy. They should try to get a 4 with some size and athleticism. Or if Yurt isn't a great rim protector go get an athletic 7 footer from somewhere.Good luck with that if Spo and the FO have a disconnect then it's bureacracy city and nothing will get done

Good stuff. Also A+ thoughts

[harlem_ball]

Can the both of you just stop the antics already. Block each other and move on. Stop derailing and baiting each other. Take this as a final warning

After reading through some 8 pages of the back and forth, I got the feeling that they were both the same poster using 2 accounts and trolling the hell out of the rest of us!

I already said no. Stop derailing actual basketball talk please.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Can the both of you just stop the antics already. Block each other and move on. Stop derailing and baiting each other. Take this as a final warning

After reading through some 8 pages of the back and forth, I got the feeling that they were both the same poster using 2 accounts and trolling the hell out of the rest of us!

[MHeat0279]

Spo Sucks ( post of the year)

[KingDavid]

ya'll see what I see? herro just a streaky shooter and cannot be relied on like the HEAT hope. yes he shot well this game .... but what about the last 4?

How old is he?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

ya'll see what I see? herro just a streaky shooter and cannot be relied on like the HEAT hope. yes he shot well this game .... but what about the last 4?

How old is he?

He could be 15 doing what he’s doing and people would find a way to be upset about it lol

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

ya'll see what I see? herro just a streaky shooter and cannot be relied on like the HEAT hope. yes he shot well this game .... but what about the last 4?

How old is he?

He's about to hit 22 next month.

This is what he is.

The myth that players will improve and hit a next level, almost never happens in reality.

Talent is talent, and you see it as soon as they hit the court. There is something there, and then you help them improve bits and parts of their game. But you see what they are.

This is Herro.