Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 3

[HEATVols865]

We’ll probably sign someone playing overseas right now.

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[HEATVols865]

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I agree with this. With Jimmy we know we’re getting a top 10 player regardless

Then Embiid shows up, he allows him to score 30+ points, grab 15+ rebounds while Bam scores 12 and grabs 5 rebounds.

People need to stop with the Bam is elite until he outplays the elite bigs of the league which he’s yet to do consistently


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[HEATVols865]

Wish Yurt had made Rising Stars....

Preach

The difference between how Duncan is treated compared to Yurtz is amazing and deserves more attention than it gets.

Yurt is loyal to Miami but that loyalty will end quick if we don’t treat him with respect and let him play meaningful minutes. He will be someone else’s all star because our phony top 15 coach is as stubborn as a mule


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[HEATVols865]

Although not the most pressing need, getting Goran would be a huge pickup for Miami. The man is a savy creator and a big time shot maker. With the chemistry he has with this team and knowledge of our concepts, his impact will be immediate.

Gabe has improved leaps and bounds, but Gogi will optimize that second unit.

Plus, after trading for Lowry, giving him the chance to compete for a ring with the same group warms my soul. Heatlifer.

Can we sign him if we traded him away? Wasn’t there something that you had to wait a whole season to get a player you traded in free agency?


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[HEATVols865]

I’ve loved what Gabe has given as well but I think Dragic would be an upgrade. He’s well rested and has been working on his game. It wouldn’t hurt to try it and if it doesn’t work at least we have him there for the leadership and chemistry

You don’t need to play Goran every night, keep him rested for the playoffs when you can unleash the dragon with the second unit.

Bam/Dedmon/Yurt
Tucker/Morris
Jimmy/Martin
Uncan/Herro
Lowry/Vincent/Dragic

That’s deep


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[heater4life]

Although not the most pressing need, getting Goran would be a huge pickup for Miami. The man is a savy creator and a big time shot maker. With the chemistry he has with this team and knowledge of our concepts, his impact will be immediate.

Gabe has improved leaps and bounds, but Gogi will optimize that second unit.

Plus, after trading for Lowry, giving him the chance to compete for a ring with the same group warms my soul. Heatlifer.

Can we sign him if we traded him away? Wasn’t there something that you had to wait a whole season to get a player you traded in free agency?


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Yea there is, but it only would have applied had he been bought out by Toronto. The fact that he was traded again, then bought out by the Spurs voids the restriction of him being reacquainted by Miami. Technically he can’t sign with Toronto now.

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I’ve loved what Gabe has given as well but I think Dragic would be an upgrade. He’s well rested and has been working on his game. It wouldn’t hurt to try it and if it doesn’t work at least we have him there for the leadership and chemistry

You don’t need to play Goran every night, keep him rested for the playoffs when you can unleash the dragon with the second unit.

Bam/Dedmon/Yurt
Tucker/Morris
Jimmy/Martin
Uncan/Herro
Lowry/Vincent/Dragic
Dipo
Plus Strus

That’s deep


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Even deeper now.

[carnageta]

If you have the chance of putting together a team consisting of Butler, Bam, Mitchell and Lowry, you do it 9/10 times.

I love Tyler but he may never be as good as Donavan currently is, and with the aging of Lowry and Butler we have to go all in right now. Besides, we all know how players end up having career years in Miami. Mitchell in a Heat uniform is an MVP candidate.

The only way I wouldn't consider it is if either a) Herro has an insanely impressive close to the season, or b) Oladipo returns to near former-self.

do you know this for a fact that herro will never get better as a player.

what riley said about herro when he got him adter the draft pick? that he had good basketball fundamentals, the thing that is messing him up is spo trying to convert him in to a pg which is not its forte, as a spot up shooter and penetrator the kid has lots of promise


like i have said mitchel is already having locker room issues with the jazz who is not a bad team by themselves. locker room probs are a red flag to me because it tends to destroy trust and cohesion between team members.

right now this team like each other and that's pretty good for team chemistry and what have you.


i like the guy but prospects like herro doesnt come often. if the heat trades him they will ending up in regretting it. mark my words

No, I don't know that as a fact. It's why I said "he 'may' never be as good as Donavan currently is".

Locker room issues? Jimmy Butler once upon a time was the epitome of that.

[RexBoyWonder]

I highly doubt Herro can ever get to Mitchell's level, there's just too big of an athletic gap there.

Hopefully Herro can improve as a defender and passer and be a great second option on a good team.

Mitchell has that first option god given gifts.

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[twix2500]

I highly doubt Herro can ever get to Mitchell's level, there's just too big of an athletic gap there.

Hopefully Herro can improve as a defender and passer and be a great second option on a good team.

Mitchell has that first option god given gifts.

Plus I think we are seeing Herro's peak athleticism. He really got himself in tip top shape. I cant imagine him getting faster and more explosive than he is now.

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[somerandomdude]

What do you guys think?

Schedule below

Spoiler:

Heat have some crazy amount of home games.

17 at home vs 9 on the road, and 15 of our next 20 games are at home.

We also have the best home record of any team in the East.

The remaining road schedule is tough, aside from NYK ORL and maybe BKN CHA.

Anyway, there's a strong chance the Heat pull away from the pack for the #1 seed in the East.

The Cavs are 1 game behind you with the 2nd easiest schedule remaining....I think there is a better chance Cleveland jumps to the #1 seed than there is a chance the Heat pull away.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I highly doubt Herro can ever get to Mitchell's level, there's just too big of an athletic gap there.

Hopefully Herro can improve as a defender and passer and be a great second option on a good team.

Mitchell has that first option god given gifts.

Bro I would bet literally every thing I own that Mitchell has a higher peak than Herro by a wide margin. I’ll actually say he’s better now than Herro will ever be and that’s not even a knock on Herro, Mitchell is just that good. You’re comparing a guy who has had the Jazz at the top of the West like the last 3 years to a guy coming off the bench who is currently inefficient in his role and on a team who is actually better when he’s OFF the court. There’s no debate.

I can’t even address the stuff being said in the last 2 pages about Mitchell vs Herro because it’s just crazy to me. “Mitchell is what he is now” dudes 25 lol. “Locker room issues” he’s Bams best friend and we all know Jimmy doesn’t care to take that most shots as we’ve seen already with Herro. Herro is a good young player but damn, people on here really think he’s going to be the best SG in Heat history for whatever reason.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Although not the most pressing need, getting Goran would be a huge pickup for Miami. The man is a savy creator and a big time shot maker. With the chemistry he has with this team and knowledge of our concepts, his impact will be immediate.

Gabe has improved leaps and bounds, but Gogi will optimize that second unit.

Plus, after trading for Lowry, giving him the chance to compete for a ring with the same group warms my soul. Heatlifer.

Can we sign him if we traded him away? Wasn’t there something that you had to wait a whole season to get a player you traded in free agency?


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We needed him to be traded and then bought out which is going to happen according to reports

[3ammy3uck3ts]

What do you guys think?

Schedule below

Spoiler:

Heat have some crazy amount of home games.

17 at home vs 9 on the road, and 15 of our next 20 games are at home.

We also have the best home record of any team in the East.

The remaining road schedule is tough, aside from NYK ORL and maybe BKN CHA.

Anyway, there's a strong chance the Heat pull away from the pack for the #1 seed in the East.

The Cavs are 1 game behind you with the 2nd easiest schedule remaining....I think there is a better chance Cleveland jumps to the #1 seed than there is a chance the Heat pull away.

I mean it’s definitely debatable and I think it mostly will rely on health. If we’re healthy we “should” distance ourself. Don’t sleep on Philly either. Cavs got better with Levert for dead weight too. We need to stay locked in

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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I agree with this. With Jimmy we know we’re getting a top 10 player regardless

Then Embiid shows up, he allows him to score 30+ points, grab 15+ rebounds while Bam scores 12 and grabs 5 rebounds.

People need to stop with the Bam is elite until he outplays the elite bigs of the league which he’s yet to do consistently


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You mean one of the only 2 centers in the league better than Bam and currently the MVP and most dominant force in the league in the midst of his peak? Yea Bam will more than likely get outplayed. Embiid is putting up 30-40 every damn game basically regardless of who he’s playing.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Embiid when guarded by Bam:

2021-22: no matchups
2020-21: 2 points, 2 TOs 1-4 shooting
2019-20: 31 points, 11-24 from the field
2018-19: 12 points, 4-7 shooting
2017-18: 14 points, 6-16 shooting

That’s Bams entire career since a rookie matched up directly with Embiid. Majority of that in the middle of Embiids prime while Bam has been developing and growing year after year.

The numbers don’t back the **** Bam gets in his Embiid matchups and you could argue Bam has got the best of Embiid. So there’s the end of that….
Bam when guarded by Embiid:

2021-22: no matchups
2020-21: 10 points, 5-6 shooting
2019-20: 37 points, 12 assists, 17-34 shooting
2018-19: 6 points, 3-5 shooting
2017-18: 8 points 4-7 shooting

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[oreon]

Small ball doesn't win ? Lakers exclusively went small in the finals. Go back and check the per min numbers, Dwight played only 11 mins per game and mostly when AD was off the floor. And GSW won playing small. Even last year if one of Harden or Irving was healthy the Nets would have beat Bucks. Durant almost did it by himself.
And yeah those teams had all time HOF players. But this is how this works. Talent wins most of the time regardless of style. On occasion you got teams that win based on coaching and good chemistry like Dallas and Spurs recently. .
I know when we loose, people are gonna be on the small ball thing again. But if we loose it will be because the other team has Giannis, Embiid or Durant and we don't. It can't be when small ball wins its talent and when going big wins it's the system.

Cmon, man. AD and Durant are 6'10 and 7 ft by themselves. Bigger than Heat lineups.

I will give you AD but not KD. Size helps but KD is not really a true big. You can't argue as a rebounder or rim protector that KD is better than Bam. And Bam has shown the ability to play bigger than he actually is. So Nets without a big who is defensively as good as Bam almost beat Bucks
And even going back to the Lakers Heat series. We took them to 6 while Bam and Dragic were hurt and Lakers were healthy. And lot of people here would agree if healthy Heat would have won.
Size isn't everything. The are two places were small ball hurts. One against an elite low post player and two against an elite rebounding team. Currently there are only 2 bigs who Bam would trouble against down low, and that's Embiid or Jokic. In a sixers series, going small could hurt us. I'd assume for that series, Spo would mix up between small ball& going big. And were likely not to face Denver in finals this year. For everyone else, I think we would be fine playing small ball.

[oreon]

I highly doubt Herro can ever get to Mitchell's level, there's just too big of an athletic gap there.

Hopefully Herro can improve as a defender and passer and be a great second option on a good team.

Mitchell has that first option god given gifts.

Plus I think we are seeing Herro's peak athleticism. He really got himself in tip top shape. I cant imagine him getting faster and more explosive than he is now.

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He doesn't need to. He struggles playing as the primary ball handler and he struggles against length & elite one on one defenders. And the biggest reason why is his handles. This is what his holding him back. If he can fix that, he can easily navigate to his spots and he'd be a much better player long term. And I would bet he could get to the Mitchell level or higher. Look at Booker, he's been better than Mitchell for past 2 years and has the same profile physically as Herro.
Personally I would trade him for Herro. But Herro can change the argument if he can improve his handling.