Miami Heat Off-Season 2.0- The Empire runs it back

[dean456]

If we can get Beal without giving up Tyler and are able to bring Tyler off the bench in his 6th man role, that would be idea.

Personally would prefer we are not paying Tyler 27mil to play 14mins off the bench. That money would be better used to sign guys to fill out our roster.

Have to assume he’d play his 30 mins a night still. Wouldn’t be the best use of 27 mill tho given the rest of the roster.

Playing Herro and Beal together in the back court gonna be rough defensively.

I'd actually prefer we try salary dump Herro and get cash and some picks.

I calculated it wrong when I suggested the trade of Herro to SA for cap space and picks.

If we were able to salary dump him we could get up to 22mil under the tax and use our MLE, Re-Sign Gabe, Strus and Love and still have enough to fill out the roster with vet mins/Undrafted guys and stay under the 2nd tax apron.

Then you could maybe hope for CP3 to get waived/traded and bought out and sign him at the Vet Min.

Some C/PF options that could fall in the MLE range. Rui Hachimura, PJ Washington (If Charlotte don't retain him), Grant Williams, Kyle Kuzma, Christian Wood, Brook Lopez (doubtful), Jakob Poeltl.

Some of these guys will likely get more elsewhere but free cap space around the league is scarce this season and there a quite a few teams that won't be able to access their full MLE, so if guys want to move from their current teams they may be forced to take less.

CP3/Gabe
Beal/Strus
Butler/Martin
MLE/Highsmith
Bam/Robinson

That's about as stacked as we can get.

[_GH0ST_]

We won't bow to Wizards bluff. We are the best customer and it's like a miracle that suns make good offer from us. FO knows this and does not fall into the trap. If they don't find another customer right away, they will accept our requests.

[powerball1373]

I have to imagine that PHX aren't including Ayton in this trade and its centered around CP3.

Feel like the only reason they would be forced to include Ayton is because they have no picks and we are offering picks in a Lowry centric deal.

I really don't see a scenario where we are unable to give the best package here. If worst case scenario we are forced to include Herro and its a Ayton and no picks vs Herro and no picks then I think that's pretty close to a wash and if both are on the table Miami can always trump with Jovic and/or pick/s.

If PHX tell Pat their going to take the PHX offer unless we add a pick then I think he will.

But I don't think it will get that far because I don't think Beal will waive his NTC for a Beal/Booker/KD trio with nothing else.

You're crazy if you think Beal wouldn't waive his NTC to play with Booker and KD in Phoenix. I don't know if it's youthful naivete, or blind homerism, but it's not logical lol. Sure - they might not be the BEST fit, but it's a clear upgrade over his current situation and he still gets to play with two of the best players in the league, regardless of what the rest of the roster looks like at the moment.

I mean he might do it, but I think he'd be stupid if he did. Star players have too much ego and think all they need to win is the most star power/talent. Those things are big contributors but unless you have guys willing to do the dirty work that team isn't going to go very far.

None of Beal, Booker or KD want to do that. None of them want to take the toughest defensive assignment, so what are they going to do? Have their C or PG guard the best player on the opposing team?

That team just going to be 3 guys taking turns going 1 on 1 against opposing defenses and hoping they can outscore the other team while playing no defense.

If Beal thinks they can win with that then good luck to him.

Booker showed what he's capable of on defense this playoffs and KD has always been a good defender. Ironically, Beal is the only one out of the 3 that doesn't play defense . It's fine to really want Beal here and think it's the best choice for him as well, but no need for all the mental gymnastics lol.

[ShulaDon92]

You're crazy if you think Beal wouldn't waive his NTC to play with Booker and KD in Phoenix. I don't know if it's youthful naivete, or blind homerism, but it's not logical lol. Sure - they might not be the BEST fit, but it's a clear upgrade over his current situation and he still gets to play with two of the best players in the league, regardless of what the rest of the roster looks like at the moment.

I mean he might do it, but I think he'd be stupid if he did. Star players have too much ego and think all they need to win is the most star power/talent. Those things are big contributors but unless you have guys willing to do the dirty work that team isn't going to go very far.

None of Beal, Booker or KD want to do that. None of them want to take the toughest defensive assignment, so what are they going to do? Have their C or PG guard the best player on the opposing team?

That team just going to be 3 guys taking turns going 1 on 1 against opposing defenses and hoping they can outscore the other team while playing no defense.

If Beal thinks they can win with that then good luck to him.

Booker showed what he's capable of on defense this playoffs and KD has always been a good defender. Ironically, Beal is the only one out of the 3 that doesn't play defense . It's fine to really want Beal here and think it's the best choice for him as well, but no need for all the mental gymnastics lol.

Beal doesn't play defense? Are we really going to break the bank on an older Tyler Herro?

Wtf?

Gonna need some Porzingis to spicy the plate brehzz

-SHULA

[ShulaDon92]

Now that Charlotte Hornets suck can we pry that ball brother out of em? Let's teach him some defense and let him run.

Maybe pick up Lopez too.

-SHULA

[ShulaDon92]

Herros not a bad player to have.
Would Bulls swap Herro for Levine?

-SHULA

[dean456]

You're crazy if you think Beal wouldn't waive his NTC to play with Booker and KD in Phoenix. I don't know if it's youthful naivete, or blind homerism, but it's not logical lol. Sure - they might not be the BEST fit, but it's a clear upgrade over his current situation and he still gets to play with two of the best players in the league, regardless of what the rest of the roster looks like at the moment.

I mean he might do it, but I think he'd be stupid if he did. Star players have too much ego and think all they need to win is the most star power/talent. Those things are big contributors but unless you have guys willing to do the dirty work that team isn't going to go very far.

None of Beal, Booker or KD want to do that. None of them want to take the toughest defensive assignment, so what are they going to do? Have their C or PG guard the best player on the opposing team?

That team just going to be 3 guys taking turns going 1 on 1 against opposing defenses and hoping they can outscore the other team while playing no defense.

If Beal thinks they can win with that then good luck to him.

Booker showed what he's capable of on defense this playoffs and KD has always been a good defender. Ironically, Beal is the only one out of the 3 that doesn't play defense . It's fine to really want Beal here and think it's the best choice for him as well, but no need for all the mental gymnastics lol.

Did he? Booker was guarding MPJ (Denver's easiest coverage) and the whole series he was just standing still ball watching every possession. Booker is an awful help defender, and every time he was switched onto Murray he was cooked.

Durant's a decent defender but he takes off possessions too and he isn't the guy to take on the role of guarding the opposing teams best player. Without a lockdown wing defender that team will have to outscore everyone every game, that formula doesn't win championships.

GSW were able to do it because they had Klay/Barnes/Iggy in the early years and Klay/Wiggins now guarding the best Guards/Wings and Draymond guarding the best Forward/Center.

[dean456]

I mean he might do it, but I think he'd be stupid if he did. Star players have too much ego and think all they need to win is the most star power/talent. Those things are big contributors but unless you have guys willing to do the dirty work that team isn't going to go very far.

None of Beal, Booker or KD want to do that. None of them want to take the toughest defensive assignment, so what are they going to do? Have their C or PG guard the best player on the opposing team?

That team just going to be 3 guys taking turns going 1 on 1 against opposing defenses and hoping they can outscore the other team while playing no defense.

If Beal thinks they can win with that then good luck to him.

Booker showed what he's capable of on defense this playoffs and KD has always been a good defender. Ironically, Beal is the only one out of the 3 that doesn't play defense . It's fine to really want Beal here and think it's the best choice for him as well, but no need for all the mental gymnastics lol.

Beal doesn't play defense? Are we really going to break the bank on an older Tyler Herro?

Wtf?

Gonna need some Porzingis to spicy the plate brehzz

-SHULA

Beal is not a great defender but he's better than Herro and he's a far more talented scorer in my opinion. He'd probably be pretty close to Strus on the defensive playing with us.

His poor defensive effort in part comes from having to carry the lions share of the responsibility on offense and playing in too many games that don't matter for the Wizards. In Spo's system and playing in games that matter I don't think he'll be as bad as he's shown.

[_GH0ST_]

Lowry, Oladipo, #18 for Beal
Herro for DFS, #22, 51

Vincent, Sasser
Beal, Caleb
Butler, Duncan
DFS, Jovic, Bates or Brown
Bam, Orlando

[ShulaDon92]

Booker showed what he's capable of on defense this playoffs and KD has always been a good defender. Ironically, Beal is the only one out of the 3 that doesn't play defense . It's fine to really want Beal here and think it's the best choice for him as well, but no need for all the mental gymnastics lol.

Beal doesn't play defense? Are we really going to break the bank on an older Tyler Herro?

Wtf?

Gonna need some Porzingis to spicy the plate brehzz

-SHULA

Beal is not a great defender but he's better than Herro and he's a far more talented scorer in my opinion. He'd probably be pretty close to Strus on the defensive playing with us.

His poor defensive effort in part comes from having to carry the lions share of the responsibility on offense and playing in too many games that don't matter for the Wizards. In Spo's system and playing in games that matter I don't think he'll be as bad as he's shown.

There's risk involved tho. I'd prioritize a power forward but Beals ok

-SHULA

[dean456]

It's going to be interesting to see how free agency plays out. With only like 6 teams with cap space to spend (HOU, SA, Utah, IND, DET, ORL) None of which outside of OKC really have any playoff chances, unless HOU pull off big signings. Almost every competing team is over the tax and don't have access to the the full non tax paying MLE (12mil) so there's going to be a lot of guys who aren't going to be paid their worth.

I feel like Grant Williams is a guy you will most likely go into free agency and miss out on the teams with the full MLE and be forced to take a 6.8mil deal.

Rui Hachimura's probably another one. Rui is restricted but I'm pretty sure LAL aren't going to be able to retain him. He should be able to find himself a MLE deal somewhere but could be one that also slips through. However if all he's offered is 6.8mil then I can't see LAL passing up on matching that.

Christian Wood will probably be another guy. I could see him missing on a 12mil deal and be stuck with 6.8mil.

Finally Brook Lopez. I originally didn't think it would be, but It actually could be possible that Lopez might take a 12mil MLE somewhere if he wants to play on a competitive team. If Bucks aren't willing to go deep in the tax to re-sign both him and Middleton then he will be someone a lot of teams would be interested in. Team's like ATL, NYK and MEM will have the Full MLE who are somewhat competitive teams. There's always a possibility he goes to Houston if they sign another star and takes some of the 70mil in cap space they have.

[DayofMourning]

If we can get Beal without giving up Tyler and are able to bring Tyler off the bench in his 6th man role, that would be idea.

Personally would prefer we are not paying Tyler 27mil to play 14mins off the bench. That money would be better used to sign guys to fill out our roster.

Well, the least amount of minutes he's played as a reserve in a season is 27. I don't think that number would be getting cut in half.

I am open for either scenario, but if we sign Beal, and Herro is still on this roster, then I'd try to balance our team better. Bam needs help down low.

[dean456]

Okay this likely a ridiculous longshot but hear me out.

Lets say we are able to get the Beal deal done with Lowry, Robinson, #18 and a 2028 FRP swap.

- We then go to OKC and give them the unprotected 2026 pick for our 2025 pick back

- We then have 2024, 2028 and 2030 to trade.

- We go for OG Anunoby with Caleb, Jovic, Oladipo and whatever picks it takes.

- We see if we can salary dump Tyler to SA for cash and future Picks.

We'd then have Beal, Butler, OG, Bam, Highsmith and Gabe's, Strus' and Yurt's cap holds and will be 13mil under the tax line.

We'd then have access to the full MLE and bird rights for Gabe, Max and Yurt and ability to fill out the roster and stay under the second tax apron.

Gabe/MLE
Beal/Strus
Butler/Highsmith
OG/Love
Bam/Yurt

Ultimate dream scenario but even the first steps without getting OG and we keep Martin and Jovic that would still be nice.

[HEATVols865]

You offer future picks instead of Jovic.

I still think Jovic will be a starter for us. The guys on 5OTF talk all the time about how Jovic is well liked and how the coaches pour a lot into him. We’re on Jimmy’s timeline. **** the future. This franchise has won a lot and we can take some chitty years after Jimmy is done. Sure we’ll have no picks, but we’ll have clean cap space.

Gabe/Dragic/Bouyea
Beal/Vet Min/Cain
Jimmy/Martin/Highsmith
Vet PF (via Herro Trade)/Jovic/Love
Bam/Robinson/Zeller or Yurt

If Jovic shows progress or whoever we get at PF complement Bam well, that’s a well rounded team and deep.
Love did well here in short spurts, this gives him that role.
Zeller sucked in the playoffs but he would do well sparing Bam in the regular season so Bam can play 40mpg in the post season.
Goran wants back, let him come back and less the second unit off the bench.

This is the way.

Oh and if somehow Dillon Brooks takes a a min deal versus a Chinese deal, add him to the mix and watch us destroy folks on defense.


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[HEATVols865]

I could also see Pat go crazy and tell Herro to come off the bench and let him cook and feast.
Memphis sees a down year with no Ja for 1/3 of the season.
Herro scores 20ppg off the bench, Pat offers Herro and sweeteners to Memphis.
We go all in, tax an all, but shove a big one up the NBA’s azz with
Ja
Beal
Jimmy
Jovic
Bam

I’m willing to mortgage the future for something this crazy.
And so is Pat. I doubt this happens but you know Pat wants to save some assets for the right deal this off season, but if he can’t find it, he will kick the tires on Ja.


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[ShulaDon92]

You offer future picks instead of Jovic.

I still think Jovic will be a starter for us. The guys on 5OTF talk all the time about how Jovic is well liked and how the coaches pour a lot into him. We’re on Jimmy’s timeline. **** the future. This franchise has won a lot and we can take some chitty years after Jimmy is done. Sure we’ll have no picks, but we’ll have clean cap space.

Gabe/Dragic/Bouyea
Beal/Vet Min/Cain
Jimmy/Martin/Highsmith
Vet PF (via Herro Trade)/Jovic/Love
Bam/Robinson/Zeller or Yurt

If Jovic shows progress or whoever we get at PF complement Bam well, that’s a well rounded team and deep.
Love did well here in short spurts, this gives him that role.
Zeller sucked in the playoffs but he would do well sparing Bam in the regular season so Bam can play 40mpg in the post season.
Goran wants back, let him come back and less the second unit off the bench.

This is the way.

Oh and if somehow Dillon Brooks takes a a min deal versus a Chinese deal, add him to the mix and watch us destroy folks on defense.


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That's looking good right there. Can't deny that's pretty stacked from a continuity level while arguably upgrading the roster at two spots in the near term.

-SHULA

[wade44]

After some time to reflect, Beal still makes very little sense for Phoenix. They already have 2 guys in Booker and KD who play the same role. Unless owner Ishbia thinks the game is played with 2 basketballs..

A lot of shenanigans for leverage at this time. It's a circus out here.


Again will not subscribe to any of this Beal sh*t until Woj drops that bomb.

In terms of doing another owner a favor too. It benefits Phoenix in the future when they need a favor returned. Heat will always get used because teams have PTSD about 2010

That said, hopefully there’s some smoke to no other team wanting to take on Beal with the NTC and Beal wanting Miami on his shortlist

[dshearn]

Now that Charlotte Hornets suck can we pry that ball brother out of em? Let's teach him some defense and let him run.

Maybe pick up Lopez too.

-SHULA

I can only give one +1 .....but I would give 100 if I could.....


Ball and Martin back court would be fun as hell......

[DayofMourning]

Whens the press conference?

[Vertical Limit]

Now that Charlotte Hornets suck can we pry that ball brother out of em? Let's teach him some defense and let him run.

Maybe pick up Lopez too.

-SHULA

I think lamelo price tag is a whole lot more expensive than Beal.. hes just 21 years old.. if charlotte decided to trade him because they want to go on full rebuild they can get that 5 first round pick package for lamelo (with 3 of those picks being unprotected)