Official Off-Season Trade/Rumor Thread 2.0

[narmerguy]

As for his own game, Wade isn't planning to change much. The San Antonio Spurs often left him alone on the perimeter in order to pack the paint against LeBron James. Wade said the unorthodox game plan won't serve as a motivator to improve his jump shot or change his style in the offseason.

"I welcome it, it's fine," Wade said of the Spurs daring him to shoot. "Especially if I get a chance to shoot midrange shots. That's what I've done my whole career, and I won't stop doing it until I stop playing this game."

Wade shot just 35.4 percent on midrange shots in the playoffs, according to NBA.com.

Well he's right, he also said if he's healthy he's able to do the things he wants to do, shooting midrange j's is one of them. He seems to dedicate his entire summer on strengthening the areas around his knees to avoid the problems he's had in the past two seasons and I actually like it.

What I also found interesting is the following:

On bypassing the type of blood-spinning procedure offered in Germany and previously utilized by Kobe Bryant and others for knee pain, Wade said, "I wasn't taking that flight. But you ask your doctors what they feel and they didn't feel I needed to go there. . . . It's not a structural thing, so it's really not what [blood-spinning] does. I think people have a little bit of a misconception about exactly what that treatment does."

Looks like Orthokine isn't the recommended method for his issues.

But to me, the most welcoming sign was the following:

Friday, while speaking at his adult fantasy camp at the Westin Diplomat Resort & Spa,
there only were positive signs, less than 12 hours after completing his first basketball-related workout since winning his third championship on June 20, at AmericanAirlines Arena against the San Antonio Spurs. Thursday's night-owl session came under the tutelage of noted trainer Tim Grover, who is among those working Wade's annual camp.

I hope he sticks with Grover for the rest of the summer. I always felt he was the best for him, as he's experienced with guards in that mold.

Regardless of his midrange shooting ability (which hasn't been that great in a while actually), it seems surprising that he's against the idea of adding to his arsenal. The 3pt game would help not just him but the rest of the team as far as spacing and the lineups that we can use. Just see what Lebron's uptick in 3P% did for teams guarding him out away from the rim.

[narmerguy]

And all the talk about the German procedure is just stupid. There was nothing wrong with Wade's knee, he just got hit hard. People just see Kobe going off and doing stuff and feel like Wade should be following suit when it doesn't even make sense.

[Sorkoram]

Back with Tim Grover?

Thank goodness.

[Zasterror]

As for his own game, Wade isn't planning to change much. The San Antonio Spurs often left him alone on the perimeter in order to pack the paint against LeBron James. Wade said the unorthodox game plan won't serve as a motivator to improve his jump shot or change his style in the offseason.

"I welcome it, it's fine," Wade said of the Spurs daring him to shoot. "Especially if I get a chance to shoot midrange shots. That's what I've done my whole career, and I won't stop doing it until I stop playing this game."

Wade shot just 35.4 percent on midrange shots in the playoffs, according to NBA.com.

Well he's right, he also said if he's healthy he's able to do the things he wants to do, shooting midrange j's is one of them. He seems to dedicate his entire summer on strengthening the areas around his knees to avoid the problems he's had in the past two seasons and I actually like it.

What I also found interesting is the following:

On bypassing the type of blood-spinning procedure offered in Germany and previously utilized by Kobe Bryant and others for knee pain, Wade said, "I wasn't taking that flight. But you ask your doctors what they feel and they didn't feel I needed to go there. . . . It's not a structural thing, so it's really not what [blood-spinning] does. I think people have a little bit of a misconception about exactly what that treatment does."

Looks like Orthokine isn't the recommended method for his issues.

But to me, the most welcoming sign was the following:

Friday, while speaking at his adult fantasy camp at the Westin Diplomat Resort & Spa,
there only were positive signs, less than 12 hours after completing his first basketball-related workout since winning his third championship on June 20, at AmericanAirlines Arena against the San Antonio Spurs. Thursday's night-owl session came under the tutelage of noted trainer Tim Grover, who is among those working Wade's annual camp.

I hope he sticks with Grover for the rest of the summer. I always felt he was the best for him, as he's experienced with guards in that mold.

I came.

[orangeparka]

Really Wade isn't planning to change his game much? Probably taken out of context and everything, but surely he's working on his midrange jumper and stuff to help alleviate his declining athleticism and everything.

[DWadeno3]

I don't read that Wade doesn't want his jumper to work, but, as I agree, it's more a matter of him being healthy than fixing any mechanics. His streakiness in the past couple of seasons is more a matter of being hurt than it is a matter of not being able to shoot. When his body is right, his shot is right, it's as simple as that. Just look at the different games he had in the Finals alone. When he played well, his jumper was there too and he had obviously just received treatment or had his knee drained. When he didn't play well overall, his jumper wasn't there. In the interview he said he's always been a decent midrange shooter and will use the game, but that he also needs to be healthy to do the things he wants to do.

As for him adding the three to his game, I only want him to shoot the wide open spot-up shots. There is no need for him to consistently shoot threes when we always have several floor spacers on the court that are more efficient shooters. If his midrange jump shot is there, that's enough to keep the defender honest, otherwise he has enough weapons to beat somebody. Let's not forget that, despite everything, he had a very efficient shooting year last season and that we, as a team, were also insanely efficient offensively.

[narmerguy]

I don't read that Wade doesn't want his jumper to work, but, as I agree, it's more a matter of him being healthy than fixing any mechanics. His streakiness in the past couple of seasons is more a matter of being hurt than it is a matter of not being able to shoot. When his body is right, his shot is right, it's as simple as that. Just look at the different games he had in the Finals alone. When he played well, his jumper was there too and he had obviously just received treatment or had his knee drained. When he didn't play well overall, his jumper wasn't there. In the interview he said he's always been a decent midrange shooter and will use the game, but that he also needs to be healthy to do the things he wants to do.

As for him adding the three to his game, I only want him to shoot the wide open spot-up shots. There is no need for him to consistently shoot threes when we always have several floor spacers on the court that are more efficient shooters. If his midrange jump shot is there, that's enough to keep the defender honest, otherwise he has enough weapons to beat somebody. Let's not forget that, despite everything, he had a very efficient shooting year last season and that we, as a team, were also insanely efficient offensively.

Yeah, almost every player can make a statement like that. If your shooting form and percentage fluctuates wildly from game to game (even without health issues), that makes you a streaky shooter. Even when healthy people were clamoring for Wade to work on his midrange game to grace into his age. Riley alluded to as much after the 2012 championship, basically asking what Wade was going to change to adjust his game now that he was 30 and only getting older. We're not exactly talking about a drastic change here: Improve your 3P% so you can play off the ball better and not be left open with guys sagging 5 feet off you; Improve your shooting elsewhere on the court so that you are consistent with your mechanics and able to be a threat as your speed declines. But saying that you plan to change nothing as you get older and pretend like just not getting injured is the solution is just being stubborn. Why does he think he gets so many injuries in the first place?

[DWadeno3]

I don't read that Wade doesn't want his jumper to work, but, as I agree, it's more a matter of him being healthy than fixing any mechanics. His streakiness in the past couple of seasons is more a matter of being hurt than it is a matter of not being able to shoot. When his body is right, his shot is right, it's as simple as that. Just look at the different games he had in the Finals alone. When he played well, his jumper was there too and he had obviously just received treatment or had his knee drained. When he didn't play well overall, his jumper wasn't there. In the interview he said he's always been a decent midrange shooter and will use the game, but that he also needs to be healthy to do the things he wants to do.

As for him adding the three to his game, I only want him to shoot the wide open spot-up shots. There is no need for him to consistently shoot threes when we always have several floor spacers on the court that are more efficient shooters. If his midrange jump shot is there, that's enough to keep the defender honest, otherwise he has enough weapons to beat somebody. Let's not forget that, despite everything, he had a very efficient shooting year last season and that we, as a team, were also insanely efficient offensively.

Yeah, almost every player can make a statement like that. If your shooting form and percentage fluctuates wildly from game to game (even without health issues), that makes you a streaky shooter. Even when healthy people were clamoring for Wade to work on his midrange game to grace into his age. Riley alluded to as much after the 2012 championship, basically asking what Wade was going to change to adjust his game now that he was 30 and only getting older. We're not exactly talking about a drastic change here: Improve your 3P% so you can play off the ball better and not be left open with guys sagging 5 feet off you; Improve your shooting elsewhere on the court so that you are consistent with your mechanics and able to be a threat as your speed declines. But saying that you plan to change nothing as you get older and pretend like just not getting injured is the solution is just being stubborn. Why does he think he gets so many injuries in the first place?

His percentages from the midrange area are solid, so I'll attribute his streakiness to injury. I'm not a guy to always go by the form, I go by the result and if the result is a good percentage, I don't care much what the shot looks like. With that being said, he said he's gonna continue to shoot midrange jump shots and has also acknowledged that he wants to become more comfortable in shooting open spot-up threes, so I'm confident he'll be fine shooting wise this year.
Aside of that, despite his erratic shooting Wade is still one of the best off the ball players we have on this team due to his ability to move without the ball and spot wholes in the defense. I wish more guys on our squad would attribute themselves to carve up the defense without the ball.

[Heatin4]

If Wade does what he did last year this season Heat get another Championship. IRWT.

[shanedude]

I don't understand why Pat won't even offer Ivan Johnson part of the MMLE.

[HIF]

I don't understand why Pat won't even offer Ivan Johnson part of the MMLE.

because he's not worth it.

[shanedude]

I beg to differ. He's a better Haslem at this stage in his career and would come much cheaper.

[Ratchet_Rio]

I don't understand why Pat won't even offer Ivan Johnson part of the MMLE.

Between Odom, Al Harrington, Mo Williams, and Ivan Johnson, I dont think I've seen an offseason where a players worth has been overrated on these boards. Pat wont offer Ivan part of the MLE because he's simply not worth it, and the fact that 29 other teams have also not made that offer should tell you something. You couldnt depend on an Ivan Johnson to step up and contribute the way Haslem did in the ECF. I know this because I saw Ivan get worked by Indy in the first round but all most of you see is the few games the Hawks played against us

[Wade2k6]

I don't understand why Pat won't even offer Ivan Johnson part of the MMLE.

Between Odom, Al Harrington, Mo Williams, and Ivan Johnson, I dont think I've seen an offseason where a players worth has been overrated on these boards. Pat wont offer Ivan part of the MLE because he's simply not worth it, and the fact that 29 other teams have also not made that offer should tell you something. You couldnt depend on an Ivan Johnson to step up and contribute the way Haslem did in the ECF. I know this because I saw Ivan get worked by Indy in the first round but all most of you see is the few games the Hawks played against us

That's such a flawed line of thinking. If you don't want him because you think he's a scrub or doesn't fit into the teams system that's one thing, but the whole "29 other teams have also not made an offer" BS makes no sense. Who cares what 29 other teams offer a player? 29 teams passed on the opportunity to sign Kenyon Martin, Birdman, Blatche, and Nate Robinson last off-season; all 4 of those players far out-played their minimum non-guaranteed contracts.

[SweetTouch]

Wade is 31, and you guys are expecting him to change is game? LOL

No, what you see is what u going to get

[Ratchet_Rio]

I don't understand why Pat won't even offer Ivan Johnson part of the MMLE.

Between Odom, Al Harrington, Mo Williams, and Ivan Johnson, I dont think I've seen an offseason where a players worth has been overrated on these boards. Pat wont offer Ivan part of the MLE because he's simply not worth it, and the fact that 29 other teams have also not made that offer should tell you something. You couldnt depend on an Ivan Johnson to step up and contribute the way Haslem did in the ECF. I know this because I saw Ivan get worked by Indy in the first round but all most of you see is the few games the Hawks played against us

That's such a flawed line of thinking. If you don't want him because you think he's a scrub or doesn't fit into the teams system that's one thing, but the whole "29 other teams have also not made an offer" BS makes no sense. Who cares what 29 other teams offer a player? 29 teams passed on the opportunity to sign Kenyon Martin, Birdman, Blatche, and Nate Robinson last off-season; all 4 of those players far out-played their minimum non-guaranteed contracts.

We're talking about Ivan Johnson. And you seem to not comprehend what I said. I didnt say 29 teams chose not to make an offer. There are teams that are interested, but not for more than the Vet min. which is what I said. Read closely

[Wade2k6]

I understand that. But PF is a weak position for Miami if Bosh and/or LeBron isn't getting PT. Haslem isn't the same player he was 3-4 years ago, he isn't getting the 10/10 - 8/8 lines on a consistent basis. I don't think Johnson is worth the entire m-MLE, but it's not a stretch that say that he is a better player than Haslem at this point.

[HIF]

I beg to differ. He's a better Haslem at this stage in his career and would come much cheaper.

even if that were true - and I don't think it is - we can't swap him for Haslem, he'd just be on the roster WITH Haslem so pretty pointless.

[wadeallday1]

'Sidigas Avellino is close to signing Jarvis Varnado, according to La Gazzetta dello Sport.'

No real surprise.

[NBA82]

0 interest in Johnson.

Aside from Oden, Mo Williams was the guy I wanted. Now I'm content to go into the season as is and wait for buyouts.