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MIAMI HEAT PLAYOFFS - ROAD TO THE 3PEAT - FINALS - SA

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Re: Wade's defense this series. 

Post#421 » by ssenbonzakura » Wed Jun 11, 2014 5:51 pm

You can't blame Wade for this loss, but he's looked slow to me all 3 games. Hope it doesn't linger on. Our guard play has cost us.
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Re: Wade's defense this series. 

Post#422 » by JesusHCoxMd » Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:15 pm

He actually led the comeback with LeBron on the bench when we got to 7 down I think, but yeah his turnovers and lazy defense at times played part in this L. So did everybody else.
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spo, really? he embarrassed himself and heat nation... 

Post#423 » by chiefinspector » Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:13 am

It was said of Phil Jackson that he wasnt so grest as lucky, that being handed a microwave dinner he had the good sense to follow the directions....i think he became better as he went along but he always coached stacked teams.
Im thinking spolestra is the same, much more lucky than great in his own right.

Goung into game three, miami easily could have been down 0-2. In the first two games, Battier and haslem barely played. He kept the same shaky formula for game three and it blew up.
I am NOT a chalmers hater, hes done a lot for us. However when his shots are not falling he is too much of a defensive liability. When he starts 0-3 you have to yank him out and put haslem or battierin for defense. They may not score big numbers, but they impact the game in more ways.

Two years ago, down 3-2, in Boston, facing elimination, LeBron took the game over, 100% on his shoulders. We need that kind of game if miami is to have a prayer.
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Re: spo, really? he embarrassed himself and heat nation... 

Post#424 » by NBA82 » Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:35 am

It's not about the offense. LeBron taking the game over or not, we're not winning unless we play 48 minutes of defense.

And honestly, even playing 48 minutes of defense, it's still going to take a lot of luck for us to win. We need to change our defensive system. It's finally been figured out, and the Spurs are just absolutely thrashing it. Unfortunately, it may be too late to try something new at this point. But everything we're doing defensively, from a system standpoint, is exactly what the Spurs want us to do.
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Re: spo, really? he embarrassed himself and heat nation... 

Post#425 » by Dwyane_Wade2006 » Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:39 am

Spo was the reason we made it to the finals this year in the first place. He completely took apart Vogel and Indiana's height advantage against us last series and nullified Hibberticality and David West, and I believed that he turned the corner. Clearly, Pop is taking him apart right now, but I'm not surprised as Pop is possibly the greatest coach ever.

We'll see if Spo's persistence with Chalmers will pay off, or if he makes any adjustments to run the Spurs off the 3-point line. It took him until late last year to plan on Gary Neal and Danny Green, and it swung the series, but I hope he doesn't wait until game 6 or something to do so this year. Imo, let Parker try and beat us himself. Take out the bit players such as Danny Green, Ginobili and Diaw and force them to rely on their core. The Spurs rely on team ball, and that is what we have to try and disrupt, it's an offensive headache and it reduces the impact LeBron and Wade have on games.

But Pop is so smart man. Credit where it's due, he is showing why he is the GOAT
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Re: spo, really? he embarrassed himself and heat nation... 

Post#426 » by Jon Connor » Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:43 am

Honestly I'm so tired of people constantly complaining about coaching whenever we lose. It's such a copout. The players need to play better, period. Can you really watch yesterday's game and say that the players gave everything they had? I certainly cant.

Sure the Spurs have been ripping apart the Heat defense but that same defense won 2 championships and got the Heat to the finals for the 4th year in a row. People somehow thinks its easy to completely switch up the defensive scheme after playing with it for so long.

Could be the scheme but could be the players. Its easy to say its Spo's fault because the players overhelp and leave shooters open but tell me who on the Heat has really shown they can defend the Spurs straight up? Bosh will get murdered by Duncan and completely bullied out of the way (Even Kawhi made him look like a bitch). Chalmers/Cole will get beat every single time by Tony. Wade idk, if he actually plays with effort than he'll be fine but I haven't seen much effort yet. LeBron is about the only player we can rely on in a one on one situation.

We really either got to let Tony and Duncan beat us but stay close to shooters or play the same defense we've always played with FULL EFFORT. I know its tiring but theres not many choices.

One thing I've noticed that I dont think is on Spo is players getting caught in no-mans land all the damn time. They get caught in a position where they shade over to the driver but not hard enough and end up being in a position where they have no effect on the driver and no effect on the closeout when its kicked out for an open 3.

Maybe part of it is Spo but the players have to be accountable. They are the ones actually in the game. Anytime the Spurs lose is it Pop's fault? Because its pretty much always Spo's fault on here.
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Re: spo, really? he embarrassed himself and heat nation... 

Post#427 » by GetMoney » Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:49 am

if you truly think lebron is going to just take over the games and beat a team with an offense as potent as the spurs 3 more times, you're crazy. the celtic offense sucked.

the spurs offense will pass up every good look they have til there's 2 seconds on the shot clock and they have a wide open 3 or layup

it's 100% about defense and i'm not sure we can play at a high enough level 3 more times to stop their offense. every single shot they get is a great look
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Re: spo, really? he embarrassed himself and heat nation... 

Post#428 » by homecourtloss » Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:36 am

GetMoney wrote:if you truly think lebron is going to just take over the games and beat a team with an offense as potent as the spurs 3 more times, you're crazy. the celtic offense sucked.

the spurs offense will pass up every good look they have til there's 2 seconds on the shot clock and they have a wide open 3 or layup

it's 100% about defense and i'm not sure we can play at a high enough level 3 more times to stop their offense. every single shot they get is a great look


This is true which is why it's even more imperative on the offensive end not then it over to the tune of a negative 8 total. We can get away with turnovers and giving up ORebs against lesser teams because our offensive efficiency is so amazing but against the Spurs, THEIR efficiency is also amazing and that means all of our bad habits have to be corralled for us to win. It's not going to be easy.
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Re: spo, really? he embarrassed himself and heat nation... 

Post#429 » by dolphinatik » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:18 pm

please. rewatch the last 7 minutes of crampgate. That was clearly a team that was not prepared to play without Lebron. Sure they hit some 3's a the end but clearly we had an offensive meltdown and practically didnt score in the last 6 minutes. Clearly a team with no offensive sets or flow. We wing it, and have been wining it for 3 years. Its great when you have a playmaker but its not great when you have no other foundation to fall back on.

Game 3.... who to blame? Spurs blitzed our undersized interior en route to an epic start. We fight back hard to again have another offensive stalemate in the 4th. Second 17 point 4th quater of the playoffs. Sure they hit shots but 17 points u cant expect to win. Spo is in a lose lose because most feel, myself included, that a monkey could coach this team to a win, so he gets marginal credit for wins and majority blame for the losses.

Sorry but Spo put a lineup out there that was getting smashed and never adjusted. Rewatch the 1/2 of game 3, Spurs dived into the lane every chance they had. We have bigs in suits and riding pine that could least deter, stop or even use thier fouls I dont care... just cant give them the lane against a small lineup. Thats on the coach. Having no fallback option to bailout 3's or "let him create" plays is again on the coach.

The sad thing is we are still talented enough to win like that but only if the other team doesnt get hot. 92 95 98 we are not exactly lighting it up, face it our offense isnt amazing and they dont even have a rim protector. These are the games we are supposed to leave it all out on the floor. I cant say that we have done that so far.
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Re: spo, really? he embarrassed himself and heat nation... 

Post#430 » by ThereIsNoSpork » Thu Jun 12, 2014 9:26 pm

Dwyane_Wade2006 wrote:Spo was the reason we made it to the finals this year in the first place.


lol come on now.. don't be silly. Indiana barely got past a terrible Atlanta team and could've lost to Washington. They had absolutely no chance against the Heat. They were a shell of themselves and had been playing terrible since the all-star break, and continued to be bad in the playoffs. especially Hibbert who is their biggest threat to Miami. Miami doesnt lose that series with any coach in the league. LeBron could've coached that series
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Re: Wade's defense this series. 

Post#431 » by Grumpy Heat Fan » Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:50 pm

Look at this video on Wade's defense this series. Wade has been abysmal. I know Wade isn't doing it on purpose..... so all that's left is that Wade's knees are done. He's done.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6awLLLgeYM[/youtube]
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Re: Wade's defense this series. 

Post#432 » by KingDavid » Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:30 am

StrengthNHonor wrote:Look at this video on Wade's defense this series. Wade has been abysmal. I know Wade isn't doing it on purpose..... so all that's left is that Wade's knees are done. He's done.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6awLLLgeYM[/youtube]

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Re: Wade's defense this series. 

Post#433 » by BballMania47 » Fri Jun 13, 2014 12:53 am

StrengthNHonor wrote:Look at this video on Wade's defense this series. Wade has been abysmal. I know Wade isn't doing it on purpose..... so all that's left is that Wade's knees are done. He's done.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6awLLLgeYM[/youtube]

People making excuses for him but watching this video there's the proof. He has been the #1 culprit. After watching film on himself in game 1 you would think he'd learn but then he goes and plays just as bad in the next two with game three being the worst effort on defense I've seen by an individual player. That Bellinelli 3 to stop our run... we never truly came back from that and it was due to Wade compromising our defense. He's not done... he's lazy and it's a shame for that to be the case in the finals after all that rest... wait, maybe he is because
there's no other explanation. Wade would never truly play this bad if he had a choice, right?
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Re: Wade's defense this series. 

Post#434 » by Grumpy Heat Fan » Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:55 am

Heat4daWin wrote:People making excuses for him but watching this video there's the proof. He has been the #1 culprit. After watching film on himself in game 1 you would think he'd learn but then he goes and plays just as bad in the next two with game three being the worst effort on defense I've seen by an individual player. That Bellinelli 3 to stop our run... we never truly came back from that and it was due to Wade compromising our defense. He's not done... he's lazy and it's a shame for that to be the case in the finals after all that rest... wait, maybe he is because
there's no other explanation. Wade would never truly play this bad if he had a choice, right?


Come on son. Anyone who knows Wade knows he is a great defender. This is not Wade being lazy. This is Wade's body being DONE. His knees are no longer NBA caliber. He really should just retire, because it's sad to watch him like this. His body is not allowing him to do the things he normally does. And there's no cure. No rest. His knees will never get better.... he had his meniscus removed back in College....
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Re: Wade's defense this series. 

Post#436 » by Woodsanity » Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:06 am

Garbage just like last finals. Contributes nothing offensively, kills spacing and gambles on D constantly.
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Post#437 » by Tuff Gong » Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:07 am

Wade needs to take way less than people are predicting him to. I'd tell him to take $7-8 million or walk. Let's see which contender gives him anything more than that to play piss poor effortless defense and run around on broken knees. Love the guy, but I'm a business man so that's how I view it.

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Re: spo, really? he embarrassed himself and heat nation... 

Post#438 » by ixxa » Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:46 am

Dwyane_Wade2006 wrote:Spo was the reason we made it to the finals this year in the first place. He completely took apart Vogel and Indiana's height advantage against us last series and nullified Hibberticality and David West, and I believed that he turned the corner. Clearly, Pop is taking him apart right now, but I'm not surprised as Pop is possibly the greatest coach ever.

We'll see if Spo's persistence with Chalmers will pay off, or if he makes any adjustments to run the Spurs off the 3-point line. It took him until late last year to plan on Gary Neal and Danny Green, and it swung the series, but I hope he doesn't wait until game 6 or something to do so this year. Imo, let Parker try and beat us himself. Take out the bit players such as Danny Green, Ginobili and Diaw and force them to rely on their core. The Spurs rely on team ball, and that is what we have to try and disrupt, it's an offensive headache and it reduces the impact LeBron and Wade have on games.

But Pop is so smart man. Credit where it's due, he is showing why he is the GOAT


Was Mike Brown the reason CAVS made to the 07 finals ?

and He was coach of the year. where is he now?

After back to back champion, SPO still got 0 vote in COY. We will see SPO's true color after big 3 era.

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Re: spo, really? he embarrassed himself and heat nation... 

Post#439 » by Heat_team02 » Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:50 am

Justin Hamilton needs minutes laugh it off but when he played at Indiana in the regular season, he was very effective on both ends & even hit some 3's


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Post#440 » by Heat_team02 » Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:53 am

Wade is exhausted.


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