Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - Part 1 - Can You Feel It?

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If Bam could develop with the 3P scoring like Baynes has this season for Phoenix, then he would be a firmly a TOP 20 player in the NBA

[Spacely]

If Bam could develop with the 3P scoring like Baynes has this season for Phoenix, then he would be a firmly a TOP 20 player in the NBA

Even a mid range game or face up game could help, he’s very limited offensively

But I enjoy his strengths so that’s just what we have to deal with. We’ve got a lot more shot creators this year but it would be nice if we had a big you could throw it into the paint and he does something with it on his own.

[GameTime_3]

Credit where credit is due! So far this season, I've been impressed by Spo. He is riding the hot hand a bit more and being more fluid with rotation(For years you could predict when he would bring people in and when they would come out and who was coming in). The team is playing great and alot of it has to do with the way he is coaching and leading.

[twix2500]

If Bam could develop with the 3P scoring like Baynes has this season for Phoenix, then he would be a firmly a TOP 20 player in the NBA

Bam just needs to develop a game using his jumper anywhere on the court. Doesn't has to be at the 3 point line. He will be a 19 pt scorer right now. He great at reading defense for others but he is poor when reading it for himself to score. He also should be getting 4 pts a game on fast breaks. He doesn't have to learn a lot, but he is similar to Simmons in regards to shooting. He so reluctant. Smart defensive teams takes advantage of it.

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[Majestic7]

I'm not missing Hassan at all. Very pleased with Meyers and Bam.

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[Cmon_Son-_-]

Our starting line up of Nunn,Butler,Bam,Leonard and Robinson has a net rating of +58.4 which is the highest of any 5 player lineup in the league with at least 30 mins played together.
Off Rtg of 127.5
Def rtg of 69.1
Ts% of 67.7%
Ast% of 76.9%!!

Our 2nd best plus lineup is replacing robinson with Herro net Rtg of 41.1. Tho only 10 minutes played together.

[AirP.]

What an impressive stat line for Bam

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I still expecting more out of Bam especially agianst that matchup vs Pheonix. But one thing we all know, Bam is consistantly a good player. I just feel like has the ability to do more in the scoring department.

I agree. Hopefully he gets there sooner rather than later.

I don't expect him to do all that more offensively this season. The current iteration of Bam offensively is a good to great pick and roll big and in my opinion a little below average to possibly average with shots around the basket and out to 15 feet which is where he can get a lot of good looks from. I'd rather see Bam work on and end up being able to convert open short shots/push shots from 5-15 feet at a good clip rather than add 3pt shooting. I really like Bam's ability to make himself available for a quick catch and shoot near the basket, once he concentrates on working to making those shots at a higher clip(probably over the next summer or 2) he could end up being a regular higher teens scorer. He's averaging 13 ppg currently and it seems like he misses 1-3 easy catch and shoot(or push shot) close to the basket each game.

Bam's ability to find openings and if he had a push/short shot like Brandon Clarke(who seems like a smaller Bam) has, it would add 2-6 points to his scoring nearly every night.

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[Majestic7]

Lovin' me some Herro. This kid doesn't back down to anything. Jimmy good for his head too!

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[twix2500]

I still expecting more out of Bam especially agianst that matchup vs Pheonix. But one thing we all know, Bam is consistantly a good player. I just feel like has the ability to do more in the scoring department.

I agree. Hopefully he gets there sooner rather than later.

I don't expect him to do all that more offensively this season. The current iteration of Bam offensively is a good to great pick and roll big and in my opinion a little below average to possibly average with shots around the basket and out to 15 feet which is where he can get a lot of good looks from. I'd rather see Bam work on and end up being able to convert open short shots/push shots from 5-15 feet at a good clip rather than add 3pt shooting. I really like Bam's ability to make himself available for a quick catch and shoot near the basket, once he concentrates on working to making those shots at a higher clip(probably over the next summer or 2) he could end up being a regular higher teens scorer. He's averaging 13 ppg currently and it seems like he misses 1-3 easy catch and shoot(or push shot) close to the basket each game.

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Bam's ability to find openings and if he had a push/short shot like Brandon Clarke(who seems like a smaller Bam) has, it would add 2-6 points to his scoring nearly every night.
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Like I said earlier, Bam is consistantly a good player. He stays within what he knows and does it well. On the opposite end of the spectrum, he is very slow at expanding his game and to go outside of his comfort zone. The reason I harp on him creating his own offense is one, the Heat need another guy who can. Also, there are only so many touches he is gonna get that has to be assisted from other players. He needs to maximize the touches he already gets. Specifically when he is at the elbow or free throwline. Those touches he is 99.999% of the time looking to pass. Smart teams back off of him to clog the paint or to help defend. He is left wide open and not making himself a scoring threat. He can make that shot easily close to twice a game. If he does that, than his defender has to stay on him, and his passing is more of a threat and he also now has the oppurtunity to take his man off the dribble. Which is similar to what Jokic does. The Heat uses Bam in the same role as Jokic. Jokic is just better at it. If Bam expands his game in that specific area, he can become a focal point of the offense and truly start becoming a star go to player.

[AirP.]

Like I said earlier, Bam is consistantly a good player. He stays within what he knows and does it well. On the opposite end of the spectrum, he is very slow at expanding his game and to go outside of his comfort zone. The reason I harp on him creating his own offense is one, the Heat need another guy who can. Also, there are only so many touches he is gonna get that has to be assisted from other players. He needs to maximize the touches he already gets. Specifically when he is at the elbow or free throwline. Those touches he is 99.999% of the time looking to pass. Smart teams back off of him to clog the paint or to help defend. He is left wide open and not making himself a scoring threat. He can make that shot easily close to twice a game. If he does that, than his defender has to stay on him, and his passing is more of a threat and he also now has the oppurtunity to take his man off the dribble. Which is similar to what Jokic does. The Heat uses Bam in the same role as Jokic. Jokic is just better at it. If Bam expands his game in that specific area, he can become a focal point of the offense and truly start becoming a star go to player.

Absolutely, I just happen to think the short shots is something that he could get better in less time than working on then being consistent with mid range shooting(which I'd expect he's working on, FTs would be a part of that). I expect Bam to be a much better offensive player in 2-3 seasons(right before or at the start of his prime), I do wonder when Miami extends him will they get some type of discount vs paying for potential because in his current skills state, he's near as important to Miami's success as Butler is.

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[Bishop45]

Statement from Butler yesterday that I thought would have caught more media attention today; said that he didn't want to have to play like he used to, because everywhere he went it didn't result in W's; that's an interesting perspective from a star. He might just be saying whatever ingratiating thing that he thinks the base might want to here, like I believe he has been, but still interesting to say.

I agree with the premise tho, I don't think he's good enough to carry a team to the promise Land, but he could be a damn good support. Might not get him to the finals on this team, but that approach might push us a little further if guys buy in and perform

[puppa bear]

Like I said earlier, Bam is consistantly a good player. He stays within what he knows and does it well. On the opposite end of the spectrum, he is very slow at expanding his game and to go outside of his comfort zone. The reason I harp on him creating his own offense is one, the Heat need another guy who can. Also, there are only so many touches he is gonna get that has to be assisted from other players. He needs to maximize the touches he already gets. Specifically when he is at the elbow or free throwline. Those touches he is 99.999% of the time looking to pass. Smart teams back off of him to clog the paint or to help defend. He is left wide open and not making himself a scoring threat. He can make that shot easily close to twice a game. If he does that, than his defender has to stay on him, and his passing is more of a threat and he also now has the oppurtunity to take his man off the dribble. Which is similar to what Jokic does. The Heat uses Bam in the same role as Jokic. Jokic is just better at it. If Bam expands his game in that specific area, he can become a focal point of the offense and truly start becoming a star go to player.

Absolutely, I just happen to think the short shots is something that he could get better in less time than working on then being consistent with mid range shooting(which I'd expect he's working on, FTs would be a part of that). I expect Bam to be a much better offensive player in 2-3 seasons(right before or at the start of his prime), I do wonder when Miami extends him will they get some type of discount vs paying for potential because in his current skills state, he's near as important to Miami's success as Butler is.

I also think 2-3 seasons is when we’ll be seeing wall Bam. These small improvements will have huge flow-on impacts in his offensive game - if D is closing out that little quicker and hotter then he has more opportunities to get into the lane.

Expanding the 12/9/4/1 season search that the Ringer used to equate Bam to Giannis & KAT (who no longer fits that search criteria, btw) to the 3-point era gives only 35 past seasons meeting those criteria. All but 3 done by retired players are in the HoF (Brad Miller, Mychal Thompson & Chris Webber). With the exception of Miller & Noah (still playing) there’s some pretty amazing multi-dimensional players on this list: http://bkref.com/tiny/4qJYA

Let’s be even more hyperbolic and compare Bam directly to Giannis’ 3rd season:
Giannis: 16.9 pts, 7.7 reb, 4.3 ast, 1.4 blk, 35.3 min
Bam: 13.0 pts, 9.4 reb, 5.0 ast, 1.6 blk, 31.0 min
Outside of the points, it’s looking pretty good. But if we look at shooting info:
Giannis: 6.4-12.7 0.506 FG, 0.4-1.4 0.257 3P, 3.7-5.1 0.724 FT
Bam: 4.1-7.6 0.541 FG, 0.1-0.6 0.200 3P, 4.6-7.4 0.627 FT
You can see that Giannis got more opportunity to shoot. Combine that with the minutes disparity across the first 2 years (G: 24.6, 31.4, B: 19.8, 23.3) and we can look at Bam’s development as being pretty freaking good. Giannis became an All-Star in his 4th year, and so far Bam is on track to overtake his 3rd-year per-game stats in almost all non-scoring categories.

I don’t think Bam will ever be the scorer Giannis is, but he’s still on track to be a similar player who impacts the game almost as much, but with less scoring. A perfect 2nd or 3rd banana to a strong 1-2 punch on the wing.

[puppa bear]

Final thought on Bam:

When drafted there were a number of comparison thrown around for his potential ceiling. Here’s how his 3rd season is stacking up against the ones I remember: http://bkref.com/tiny/IfEHD His minutes are slightly lower and his attempts are way lower, but otherwise it looks like pretty correct company for him to be mentioned with at this stage.

[DayofMourning]

Final thought on Bam:

When drafted there were a number of comparison thrown around for his potential ceiling. Here’s how his 3rd season is stacking up against the ones I remember: http://bkref.com/tiny/IfEHD His minutes are slightly lower and his attempts are way lower, but otherwise it looks like pretty correct company for him to be mentioned with at this stage.

Bam has been exceptional thus far. He deserves a lot of credit for where we're at. Thanks for posting such an interesting comparison.

[Wiltside]

A name to keep an eye on: Jrue Holiday.

Would be a nice fit at guard. Could see Winnie and Dion going in exchange or something. Would make me real sad to see Winslow go, but I’d get it.

Holiday / Dragic
Nunn / Herro
Butler / Robinson
Adebayo / JJ
Leonard / Olynyk

Is pretty nice tbh. Had a $26m PO for 2021-22 that you may be able to get him to opt out of in exchange for a longer term deal at lower money.

[Kobewade11]

A name to keep an eye on: Jrue Holiday.

Would be a nice fit at guard. Could see Winnie and Dion going in exchange or something. Would make me real sad to see Winslow go, but I’d get it.

Holiday / Dragic
Nunn / Herro
Butler / Robinson
Adebayo / JJ
Leonard / Olynyk

Is pretty nice tbh. Had a $26m PO for 2021-22 that you may be able to get him to opt out of in exchange for a longer term deal at lower money.

Holiday’s contract would likely take us out of the summer 2021 sweepstakes, I cant see the organization making that deal.

[Wiltside]

A name to keep an eye on: Jrue Holiday.

Would be a nice fit at guard. Could see Winnie and Dion going in exchange or something. Would make me real sad to see Winslow go, but I’d get it.

Holiday / Dragic
Nunn / Herro
Butler / Robinson
Adebayo / JJ
Leonard / Olynyk

Is pretty nice tbh. Had a $26m PO for 2021-22 that you may be able to get him to opt out of in exchange for a longer term deal at lower money.

Holiday’s contract would likely take us out of the summer 2021 sweepstakes, I cant see the organization making that deal.

Only would make sense if there was an agreement to opt out and reup for more years and less annual salary. If he wanted to compete, he might consider it.

Otherwise yeah, he’s out.

[oreon]

A name to keep an eye on: Jrue Holiday.

Would be a nice fit at guard. Could see Winnie and Dion going in exchange or something. Would make me real sad to see Winslow go, but I’d get it.

Holiday / Dragic
Nunn / Herro
Butler / Robinson
Adebayo / JJ
Leonard / Olynyk

Is pretty nice tbh. Had a $26m PO for 2021-22 that you may be able to get him to opt out of in exchange for a longer term deal at lower money.

No way that's enough for Jrue. NO stripped the Lakers bare for AD who was leaving on a year contract. For Jrue , Herro & Nunn would probably need to be in the package at the minimum. And Jrue wants to stay in NO, so it's unlikley he'll get traded