2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3

[Vertical Limit]

With Haliburton also turn his achilles the east is so open.
I really hope we have a plan. If not its just a terrible move not to get KD. Please make something happen

Its not so wide open as some may think it is. Even if we had Durant, ive said it many times over the past 2 months that would not have made us into contenders.

Cleveland is still built to compete at a high level.
Cade Cunningham and Banchero had breakthrough performances in the playoffs for their teams.
Orlando just added Bane who they feel is going to open a lot of things for Banchero and their team overall.
Detroit is probably searching for their vision of what their missing piece is next to Cunningham but just from what they showed this playoffs, that team is on the come up.
The Knicks dont have a coach but they still have a strong starting 5.


We got Bam and Ware. And Ware has potential, but he is still raw, and some say he is soft. Just adding Durant to Ware and Bam, was not going to cause a shift in the East.

My hope is, that Ware has been focused on adding muscle, Bam cant be out there on an island trying to take on both Allen and Mobley. If Ware can turn into a true force next to Bam, itll come a long way.

And plus we just need Ware to turn out to be a great player, we need to get lucky for once.

Lets see what summer league brings.. im honestly excited to see Larrson develop.. his man defense was really good for a rookie.. just need him to knock down open shots and to be consistent at the free throw line..

[zgope1]

At this point is Riley making calls? It seems the rest of my he league regularly checks to see how they can improve…. Our front office depends on late 1st rounders who they bench as soon as they turn the ball over and undrafted players. When will the front office be held accountable?

When will we see strategy? A chosen path? What are we doing?

Boston gets a young player on an expiring for Holiday who was expected to need assets attached to offload his deal.

Yet Riley can’t get nothing for expiring Rozier or a salary cap relief contract Duncan?

Arrison needs to sell the team….

We need some real leadership at this point….. not living in our past glory….

Get Wade a job as GM at this point….

I swear some people just need to see their team shuffling deck chairs so they feel like somethings happening


We had our shots at making the finals twice and being a one seed. Our star got old. We’re developing lots of really solid draft picks. We might have to be patient until there is a move worth making.

It also would’ve been nice if the Terry trade wasn’t a disaster but it was. Not many criticised it at the time but as it turned out Terry and Jimmy got hurt, Terry stayed injured, sold missed FGAs to bookies and now we have some work to do to get closer to contention.

Keeping optionality is important so blowing our load over small moves is probably counter productive.

Patients friends

[ZoStrong]

Must be nice having good relationships with other front offices that do each other favors.

Hahaha, we gotta pay for the sins of the Big 3 and robbing other teams over the years.

[CWebb2491]

A lot of Sacramento chatter…

Would you guys feel comfortable doing

Duncan, JJJ, 2025 first for

Malik Monk, Devin Carter

Or

Rozier, JJJ, 2025 1st
For
Derozan, Carter

Or maybe even Terry, Duncan, 2025 1st

For Derozan, Monk and Carter?

Ware
Bam Jovic
Wiggins Larson
DeRozan Monk
Herro Carter

Would still have Wiggins and 2 1st rounders to upgrade in off-season or trade deadline

[VaDe255]

- They invest in the Jimmy window and get Terry, fine. But then they don’t follow through by extending Jimmy in the offseason?
- They’re not extending Jimmy but then they don’t trade him either, and it predictably turns into a mess with him eventually asking out and tanking the season
- Jovic is supposedly a great young player they don't want to trade, yet he’s not starting, barely sees the floor, and has to fight for bench minutes?
- They act like they’re serious about getting KD, great, then get him. Instead, they put out a lowball offer and won’t include Jovic?!?

At this point, I have no idea what this front office is doing. What’s the plan here? What are they even doing? Feels weak, no balls to take real risks.
They probably don’t know either.

[MartyConlonJr]

What do you think are the worst "butterfly effect" moves the Heat ever made?

I think two of the contenders are:
1. Discovering Whiteside.
2. Waiving Mike Miller in the amnesty.

And I actually think they laid the groundwork for overcompensating recently on similar scenarios that have bitten the front office in other ways.

Discovering Whiteside
This put us in the wildest scenario with Wade. At the time, Whiteside was looking like the next coming of Wilt, and because we didn't have bird rights, and he was on a min or near min contract, we had to actually make cap space for him, which meant choosing between him and Wade essentially. I don't think Riley is that bad with legacy that Wade wouldn't have gotten that back ended contract in other situations, but this was the perfect storm.

Wade leaving took years to recover from in how the front office looked in loyalty. The fact that he was never the highest player on the team (as silly as that fact is in some ways with rookie contracts and him choosing to take a slight paycut to keep UD) just made it worse.

How it relates to recently is that Riley now, I think, pays guys at that top level with less hesitation - Jimmy always got max allowed, Bam got his extension early, and so will probably Herro. But I also think it is why he didnt try to move Jimmy when he knew there would be no extension. I think (misguidedly) he thought as long as he paid the max all the way, and paid him to a reasonable age (36), and Jimmy had that 8 year Miami career, it would be loyal. I think cut throat Riley pre Wade debacle, would have moved Jimmy.

Waiving Mike Miller in the amnesty
I think this clearly turned out to be one of the potential dynasty breakers - not sure Lebron was going to stay no matter what, but what the front office though was fiscal sanity of someone who wasn't playing getting them out of luxury tax to potentially make better moves, seemed and possibly was just penny pinching.

I think when Jimmy wanted help and there wasnt much else on the shelf, it led to the mistake of getting Rozier and giving up way too much to placate Jimmy. The way that move has handcuffed future moves has really shown. I also think the flow on effect to that move is now in the KD move, and being very frugal with picks and their futures.

Anyway I'm probably overthinking it

[zgope1]

- They invest in the Jimmy window and get Terry, fine. But then they don’t follow through by extending Jimmy in the offseason?
- They’re not extending Jimmy but then they don’t trade him either, and it predictably turns into a mess with him eventually asking out and tanking the season
- Jovic is supposedly a great young player they don't want to trade, yet he’s not starting, barely sees the floor, and has to fight for bench minutes?
- They act like they’re serious about getting KD, great, then get him. Instead, they put out a lowball offer and won’t include Jovic?!?

At this point, I have no idea what this front office is doing. What’s the plan here? What are they even doing? Feels weak, no balls to take real risks.
They probably don’t know either.

My mind is blown by this narrative that Spo doesn’t play Jovic. Jovic was playing a contributing significantly before he got injured and he was a big loss when he did get injured.

There was a developmental period early in the season where he was finding his role in the rotation but, what can I say, Spo has developed him well. Spo has high expectations of him because he knows he’s awesome

[Kobewade11]

What do you think are the worst "butterfly effect" moves the Heat ever made?

I think two of the contenders are:
1. Discovering Whiteside.
2. Waiving Mike Miller in the amnesty.

And I actually think they laid the groundwork for overcompensating recently on similar scenarios that have bitten the front office in other ways.

Discovering Whiteside
This put us in the wildest scenario with Wade. At the time, Whiteside was looking like the next coming of Wilt, and because we didn't have bird rights, and he was on a min or near min contract, we had to actually make cap space for him, which meant choosing between him and Wade essentially. I don't think Riley is that bad with legacy that Wade wouldn't have gotten that back ended contract in other situations, but this was the perfect storm.

Wade leaving took years to recover from in how the front office looked in loyalty. The fact that he was never the highest player on the team (as silly as that fact is in some ways with rookie contracts and him choosing to take a slight paycut to keep UD) just made it worse.

How it relates to recently is that Riley now, I think, pays guys at that top level with less hesitation - Jimmy always got max allowed, Bam got his extension early, and so will probably Herro. But I also think it is why he didnt try to move Jimmy when he knew there would be no extension. I think (misguidedly) he thought as long as he paid the max all the way, and paid him to a reasonable age (36), and Jimmy had that 8 year Miami career, it would be loyal. I think cut throat Riley pre Wade debacle, would have moved Jimmy.

Waiving Mike Miller in the amnesty
I think this clearly turned out to be one of the potential dynasty breakers - not sure Lebron was going to stay no matter what, but what the front office though was fiscal sanity of someone who wasn't playing getting them out of luxury tax to potentially make better moves, seemed and possibly was just penny pinching.

I think when Jimmy wanted help and there wasnt much else on the shelf, it led to the mistake of getting Rozier and giving up way too much to placate Jimmy. The way that move has handcuffed future moves has really shown. I also think the flow on effect to that move is now in the KD move, and being very frugal with picks and their futures.

Anyway I'm probably overthinking it

Bron was gone no matter what. Wade breaking down and no longer looking like a reliable second guy probably had more impact than Mike being amnestied. But from whatse guys have said (Rio, Ray) that group had run its course anyway.

[contract]

At this point is Riley making calls? It seems the rest of my he league regularly checks to see how they can improve…. Our front office depends on late 1st rounders who they bench as soon as they turn the ball over and undrafted players. When will the front office be held accountable?

When will we see strategy? A chosen path? What are we doing?

Boston gets a young player on an expiring for Holiday who was expected to need assets attached to offload his deal.

Yet Riley can’t get nothing for expiring Rozier or a salary cap relief contract Duncan?

Arrison needs to sell the team….

We need some real leadership at this point….. not living in our past glory….

Get Wade a job as GM at this point….

Is there any reason to believe that Wade can build a team? Just because you were good at hoopin doesn't mean that you have any idea how to construct a team or make efficient use of limited resources.

[RexBoyWonder]

Monk > Derozen

Rebuilding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monk

[MartyConlonJr]

Is there any reason to believe that Wade can build a team? Just because you were good at hoopin doesn't mean that you have any idea how to construct a team or make efficient use of limited resources.

This is possibly unfair, but it really sucked the wind out of my sails the one year Wade came in as a commentator for the All-Star weekend. I can't even remember if the event was the game, the dunk comp or the 3 point comp or all of them, I want to say it was the 3 point comp, but his commentary was so basic.

I remember it was something along the lines of him saying "He needs this one", but doing it over and over again, when it was not do or die and I thought this is lounge chair commentating. It is the sort of stuff me or my mates would say and offer very little to something.

I just remember thinking - I thought he was smarter and more insightful than this. Maybe he was drunk, I mean it is All Star weekend, but he did not come off like the basketball mastermind I had hoped.

[RexBoyWonder]

Hard to Admit -

But The Celtics front office has been the absolute opposite of ours.

They're killing it with every move, everything is planed a head, the timing of the moves and the value is annoyingly great.

We're always too late, pay to much, or don't offer enough, never do anything creative or unexpected. Never get good value on our own guys, Always the same lazy names. (Really? Derozen again? Just Embarrassing)

I'd say that expect the Jimmy trade (6 years ago) and the Bam pick (8 years ago)- we're a bottom 10 front office for years now.


It's really time to get with the times and remove the front office for younger sharper minds.

[zgope1]

Hard to Admit -

But The Celtics front office has been the absolute opposite of ours.

They're killing it with every move, everything is planed a head, the timing of the moves and the value is annoyingly great.

We're always too late, pay to much, or don't offer enough, never do anything creative or unexpected. Never get good value on our own guys, Always the same lazy names. (Really? Derozen again? Just Embarrassing)

I'd say that expect the Jimmy trade (6 years ago) and the Bam pick (8 years ago)- we're a bottom 10 front office for years now.


It's really time to get with the times and remove the front office for younger sharper minds.

Well it all stems from the base. They decided to sell their vets in Pierce and Garnett and they set themselves up to compete for a long time.

We never made a call like that, and did almost as well as you could possibly do considering that. We nailed the Bam and Tyler drafts. We nailed undrafted player development and we nailed the Jimmy acquisition. But doing it that way meant we never quite got the odds stacked in our favour.

People do have goldfish memories though, we had little choice. We acquired Goran which put us into pick debt until 2021 on the belief that a late prime Bosh would be around for ages. Try pivoting from that any better than what our front office did.

It goes relatively unrecognised how well we did considering the luck that went against us .

I support trading Tyler right now because we are approaching pick neutrality soon. I am optimistic that the FO do understand this is an opportunity but we shall see.

[eddieheatfan]

Herro to Charlotte for 4 and 27 pick back. Draft Fears.

You then have 2 guards who can get theirs. Sounds like a winning combo.

If there was anyway to come out of that with Fears and Flemming that would be cool... Don't know what value Herro has, but a top 5 pick is probably at least the start of a good return....

Id love an overhaul.

I think you could get the 2nd pick plus for Bam.

The Hornets desperately need shooting, so maybe they could get the 4th pick plus for Herro.

we need an overhaul. this as construed is cooked. is a playin team thats their identity know. you have shed all the players in order to get a new one

[contract]

Hard to Admit -

But The Celtics front office has been the absolute opposite of ours.

They're killing it with every move, everything is planed a head, the timing of the moves and the value is annoyingly great.

We're always too late, pay to much, or don't offer enough, never do anything creative or unexpected. Never get good value on our own guys, Always the same lazy names. (Really? Derozen again? Just Embarrassing)

I'd say that expect the Jimmy trade (6 years ago) and the Bam pick (8 years ago)- we're a bottom 10 front office for years now.


It's really time to get with the times and remove the front office for younger sharper minds.

It does feel like we've been running on fumes for a while. Pat Riley has become the Heat's version of Don Shula. I'm not sure we could find anyone to do it better, but it is probably past time to try someone who will do it different.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Damn what a masterclass by Stevens. Everyone thinks they’re going to have to attach assets to get off Jrue and KP, instead they shed like $5M, get a young expiring sniper of the Herro archetype AND 2 2nds

These other front offices are light years ahead of our old outdated group.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[wade44]

Unbelievable how we’ve been riddled with bad, untradable contracts for years. Then you see other teams pull rabbits out of the hat and magically shed enormous amounts of salary while keeping their picks. I think it’s a fair question to wonder if Heat have one of the worst front offices in the league at this point. 50 million per year for Herro would absolutely seal that

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Unbelievable how we’ve been riddled with bad, untradable contracts for years. Then you see other teams pull rabbits out of the hat and magically shed enormous amounts of salary while keeping their picks. I think it’s a fair question to wonder if Heat have one of the worst front offices in the league at this point. 50 million per year for Herro would absolutely seal that moniker

Everyone else is trading their Herro, we’re treating ours like he’s Luka. I’m just saying.

Green, Simons, Bane (although he actually plays defense), apparently Reaves might be on the move, etc. Nets about to pay theirs $25M a year in Cam Thomas and we’re talking about $50M a year.

This front office is so far gone.

[wade44]

Must be nice having good relationships with other front offices that do each other favors.

Hahaha, we gotta pay for the sins of the Big 3 and robbing other teams over the years.

Sins of the (god)father