Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max

[RexBoyWonder]

Why isn't he playing around 35 minutes consistently? Is it fouling?

And Coach likes smallball.

[QUIZ]

Why isn't he playing around 35 minutes consistently? Is it fouling?

Nobody on our team is playing that many minutes. Bosh is averaging the most at 33mpg, Wade and Hassan are both at around 28-29mpg.

[dancing2thabeet]

Why isn't he playing around 35 minutes consistently? Is it fouling?

Sometimes, but rarely. When he doesn't play in the 4th it's usualy because opponents go small and Whiteside is inconsistent with perimeter and PNR defense.

[Hoops23]

Heat has $41m cap space at present. And cap hold on players is not yet deducted.

Is Whiteside really worth a max contract?

I dont think so. A $15m starting salary what he's worth.

If Miami gives Whiteside $20m starting salary, then Heat still has $20m cap space to sign Wade and a 2nd tier free agent.
If Miami let Whiteside walk, they can sign a max player like KD or DeRozan and someone like Al Horford, Noah, Ezeli, Al Jeffereson, David Lee or Mozgov with their cap space. KD or DeRozan & Horford or Noah >> Whiteside & the 2nd tier free agent

BTW, I'm not against a Whiteside being back with Miami next season, in fact I love to have him, but for a max contract, that total BS.. No way, he's not worth the max.

At this point I like McRoberts be traded for expiring contract to add to the cap space, then resign a really worth a max contract like KD and DeRozan plus Whiteside for $15m and Wade for the rest of the cap space. Coz Heat needs another big name player to its roster to be back as an legitimate contender for championship. I'm not sold with the Heat's current roster, by keeping this roster again next year, then we're just like other teams just playing for playoff spot.

No to Whiteside for the max.. $15m yes...

[goodboy]

80% of the players in this day and age aren't worth the max man... But since cap is going to rise, we need to throw whatever @ Goatside. (Okay maybe not whatever, but you get the jist)

Keep in mind C's are hard to come by, teams will flaunt their punani at him.

[Hoops23]

80% of the players in this day and age aren't worth the max man... But since cap is going to rise, we need to throw whatever @ Goatside. (Okay maybe not whatever, but you get the jist)

That is why it is better to give it to KD or DeRozan.

Keep in mind C's are hard to come by, teams will flaunt their punani at him.

There may not be a Whiteside like free agent player next year's off-season but there are a lot of free agent center the Heat can choose if Miami decides to sign DeRozan or KD.

You dont agree that KD or De Rozan plus Horford or Noah is better than Whiteside (max contract) plus the 2nd tier free agent for the rest of the cap space????

[goodboy]

80% of the players in this day and age aren't worth the max man... But since cap is going to rise, we need to throw whatever @ Goatside. (Okay maybe not whatever, but you get the jist)

That is why it is better to give it to KD or DeRozan.

Keep in mind C's are hard to come by, teams will flaunt their punani at him.

There may not be a Whiteside like free agent player next year's off-season but there are a lot of free agent center the Heat can choose if Miami decides to sign DeRozan or KD.

You dont agree that KD or De Rozan plus Horford or Noah is better than Whiteside (max contract) plus the 2nd tier free agent for the rest of the cap space????

If there's a slight chance of actually getting KD, I'm game. I'd trust Riley to deal that hand to capturing him. I'm not big on Derozan... he's been having a pretty nice streak but eh...

And no Noah is done bro... Horford? Why when we have CB?

[QUIZ]

Heat has $41m cap space at present. And cap hold on players is not yet deducted.

Is Whiteside really worth a max contract?

I dont think so. A $15m starting salary what he's worth.

If Miami gives Whiteside $20m starting salary, then Heat still has $20m cap space to sign Wade and a 2nd tier free agent.
If Miami let Whiteside walk, they can sign a max player like KD or DeRozan and someone like Al Horford, Noah, Ezeli, Al Jeffereson, David Lee or Mozgov with their cap space. KD or DeRozan & Horford or Noah >> Whiteside & the 2nd tier free agent

BTW, I'm not against a Whiteside being back with Miami next season, in fact I love to have him, but for a max contract, that total BS.. No way, he's not worth the max.

At this point I like McRoberts be traded for expiring contract to add to the cap space, then resign a really worth a max contract like KD and DeRozan plus Whiteside for $15m and Wade for the rest of the cap space. Coz Heat needs another big name player to its roster to be back as an legitimate contender for championship. I'm not sold with the Heat's current roster, by keeping this roster again next year, then we're just like other teams just playing for playoff spot.

No to Whiteside for the max.. $15m yes...

His max is 4 year $94mill you're suggesting that he take 4 year $67mill...

That's not how this works. DeAndre Jordan already set a precedent by getting a 4 year $88mill deal and that was before the cap shot up. The cap is going up by $20mill, teams on average will have $30mill+ in space and Whiteside's an athletic 26 year old 7 footer having the best shot blocking season of the past 20 years while playing limited minutes...

In are market where Nicholas Batum and Evan Fournier are getting the max Hassan not getting it would be mind boggling. Big men have historically always been overpaid, Hassan for the max is happening one way or another.

Prepare yourself.

[QUIZ]

80% of the players in this day and age aren't worth the max man... But since cap is going to rise, we need to throw whatever @ Goatside. (Okay maybe not whatever, but you get the jist)

That is why it is better to give it to KD or DeRozan.

Keep in mind C's are hard to come by, teams will flaunt their punani at him.

There may not be a Whiteside like free agent player next year's off-season but there are a lot of free agent center the Heat can choose if Miami decides to sign DeRozan or KD.

You dont agree that KD or De Rozan plus Horford or Noah is better than Whiteside (max contract) plus the 2nd tier free agent for the rest of the cap space????

Horford's max is 4 year $113mill. How the hell would we sign him and DeRozen?(who sucks imo) Signing either of those two would cost more than resigning Whiteside.

[Hoops23]

If there's a slight chance of actually getting KD, I'm game. I'd trust Riley to deal that hand to capturing him. I'm not big on Derozan... he's been having a pretty nice streak but eh...

IMO, chances with KD may not be big but if he decides to take his talent to South beach, then what will you do? Are you going to say, "Whiteside is our man".

So you dont agree, that DeRozan plus Horford or even David Lee or Ezeli is better than Whiteside and a free agent sign for $10m???

And no Noah is done bro... Horford? Why when we have CB?

All I'm saying is if Whiteside ask for the max and Heat able to convince KD or DeRozan, then let Whiteside walk. You're not sold to Horford as replacement to Whiteside if Heat has KD or DeRozan???

[goodboy]

If there's a slight chance of actually getting KD, I'm game. I'd trust Riley to deal that hand to capturing him. I'm not big on Derozan... he's been having a pretty nice streak but eh...

IMO, chances with KD may not be big but if he decides to take his talent to South beach, then what will you do? Are you going to say, "Whiteside is our man".

So you dont agree, that DeRozan plus Horford or even David Lee or Ezeli is better than Whiteside and a free agent sign for $10m???

And no Noah is done bro... Horford? Why when we have CB?

All I'm saying is if Whiteside ask for the max and Heat able to convince KD or DeRozan, then let Whiteside walk. You're not sold to Horford as replacement to Whiteside if Heat has KD or DeRozan???

If he decides to take his talents here, ofcourse.. that's a no-brainer.

And you're adding WAY too many pieces with this preposition. Getting all those players you mentioned in bundles seems far fetched. I'm not informed on DeRozan's contract (think he's getting one soon) Raps will throw big money at him too from his play this season.

Aside from KD, I wouldnt touch any of those players. Just my opinion.

[Hoops23]

His max is 4 year $94mill you're suggesting that he take 4 year $67mill...

That's not how this works. DeAndre Jordan already set a precedent by getting a 4 year $88mill deal and that was before the cap shot up. The cap is going up by $20mill, teams on average will have $30mill+ in space and Whiteside's an athletic 26 year old 7 footer having the best shot blocking season of the past 20 years while playing limited minutes...

So your saying that since DeAndre gets $88m, then Whiteside should also get his??
Remember, the Clippers didn't offer him that much but they were force to match Dallas offer coz they do not have other option at center.

That philosophy is not right... I'm all for giving the max contract to KD or even DeRozan (knowing Wade days are numbered) and the rest of the money to the free agent center I mention. The free agent pool for next year is deeper at center compared to perimeter players.

Horford's max is 4 year $113mill. How the hell would we sign him and DeRozen?(who sucks imo) Signing either of those two would cost more than resigning Whiteside.

You are assuming Horford gets the max which I doubt... The real point of my argument is not about getting Horford as replacement for Whiteside but give the max to KD or DeRozan and use the remaining cap space for one of the center I mentioned above (if Whiteside ask too much) and Wade. This Whiteside versus KD or DeRozan plus adding a center part of the cap space.

If Whiteside is better than KD or DeRozan plus a center like Ezeli as the least choice, then I'll stop arguing.

[goodboy]

No one is disputing that Whiteside is better than KD. We all want him.

The other players... not so much.

Oh and Horford is what, 29-30? ... With a lot of prone injury problems added.

[Hoops23]

And you're adding WAY too many pieces with this preposition. Getting all those players you mentioned in bundles seems far fetched. I'm not informed on DeRozan's contract (think he's getting one soon) Raps will throw big money at him too from his play this season..

my point about the DeRozan deal is if we cant get KD and I though adding him plus a center like I mentioned above is better than just Whiteside and a 2nd tier free agent...

I like Whiteside to be back but I'm not sold on him getting a max contract...

Oh and Horford is what, 29-30? ... With a lot of prone injury problems added.

Come on! Like i said, its not about Horford.. This is about giving the max to KD or DeRozan instead of Whiteside. I mentioned the centers like Horford as just part of maximizing the cap space and fill the center position. it will be stupid to give Hordford the max instead of Whiteside. Please do not twist it, its not the point of discussion.

[QUIZ]

His max is 4 year $94mill you're suggesting that he take 4 year $67mill...

That's not how this works. DeAndre Jordan already set a precedent by getting a 4 year $88mill deal and that was before the cap shot up. The cap is going up by $20mill, teams on average will have $30mill+ in space and Whiteside's an athletic 26 year old 7 footer having the best shot blocking season of the past 20 years while playing limited minutes...

So your saying that since DeAndre gets $88m, then Whiteside should also get his??
Remember, the Clippers didn't offer him that much but they were force to match Dallas offer coz they do not have other option at center.

That philosophy is not right... I'm all for giving the max contract to KD or even DeRozan (knowing Wade days are numbered) and the rest of the money to the free agent center I mention. The free agent pool for next year is deeper at center compared to perimeter players.

Horford's max is 4 year $113mill. How the hell would we sign him and DeRozen?(who sucks imo) Signing either of those two would cost more than resigning Whiteside.

You are assuming Horford gets the max which I doubt... The real point of my argument is not about getting Horford as replacement for Whiteside but give the max to KD or DeRozan and use the remaining cap space for one of the center I mentioned above (if Whiteside ask too much) and Wade. This Whiteside versus KD or DeRozan plus adding a center part of the cap space.

If Whiteside is better than KD or DeRozan plus a center like Ezeli as the least choice, then I'll stop arguing.

Nothing is set in stone, all of our contracts are moveable if the need arises. With tons of teams having cap space you'll see a lot of them trading into space to get whatever assets that they can because there aren't enough free agents to go around.

If we can dump McBob we'd have about $48mill in space, $20mill for Whiteside's base leaves us with $28mill to chase Durant or whoever. If we don't land him use the cap space to sign Wade who at that point in time would've already had his bird rights relinquished though that wouldn't matter much.

I don't know why you're making Whiteside the odd man out. I love Wade but I'm not gonna let him be the difference between us retaining Whiteside and losing him for nothing. He's 34 turning 35.

Again though anybodies contract is moveable, even Gorans. So we'll see, I'm sure Riley has a plan beyond just asking Durant to come here.

[goodboy]

And you're adding WAY too many pieces with this preposition. Getting all those players you mentioned in bundles seems far fetched. I'm not informed on DeRozan's contract (think he's getting one soon) Raps will throw big money at him too from his play this season..

my point about the DeRozan deal is if we cant get KD and I though adding him plus a center like I mentioned above is better than just Whiteside and a 2nd tier free agent...

I like Whiteside to be back but I'm not sold on him getting a max contract...

Oh and Horford is what, 29-30? ... With a lot of prone injury problems added.

Come on! Like i said, its not about Horford.. This is about giving the max to KD or DeRozan instead of Whiteside. I mentioned the centers like Horford as just part of maximizing the cap space and fill the center position. it will be stupid to give Hordford the max instead of Whiteside. Please do not twist it, its not the point of discussion.

Lol sorry I didnt mean to twist your words... I have a habit of doing that hahaha

Either way... it may go over our spending with retaining those players imo. Considering how avg players are getting tossed millions without double checking what they're actually getting.

So you might as well get the best bang for your buck which is a great center in Whiteside.

[Hoops23]

Nothing is set in stone, all of our contracts are moveable if the need arises

. With tons of teams having cap space you'll see a lot of them trading into space to get whatever assets that they can because there aren't enough free agents to go around.

Agree they're movable. but a lot of teams wants cap space to sign free agents also. Teams are not just going to help you without giving assets in return. Remember, the Heat 3 picks are already mortgage.

If we can dump McBob we'd have about $48mill in space, $20mill for Whiteside's base leaves us with $28mill to chase Durant or whoever. If we don't land him use the cap space to sign Wade who at that point in time would've already had his bird rights relinquished though that wouldn't matter much.

That is good if we can move McBob. With his injuries and absence of 1st round picks, it will be difficult to move him. $28m for Durant and Wade is doubtful unless Wade takes $5m. That is why convincing Whiteside to take $15m is important.

I don't know why you're making Whiteside the odd man out. I love Wade but I'm not gonna let him be the difference between us retaining Whiteside and losing him for nothing. He's 34 turning 35.

You think this is about Whiteside the odd man out!!?? Absolutely not! I love to have him back, like I said above if you can just re-read what I said. This is about giving the max to more deserving player/s that can help the heat be a much improve team. KD is better than Whiteside, much more you add a free agent center with the rest of the cap space. Even a DeRozan plus one of the centers I mention above is better.

Again though anybodies contract is moveable, even Gorans. So we'll see, I'm sure Riley has a plan beyond just asking Durant to come here.

I believe you that there are teams might want Goran, but McBob without packaging assets, I doubt it. If we can move Goran to add Whiteside and KD or DeRozan, I'm all for it, even if Goran is consistent or not.

[gom]

In are market where Nicholas Batum and Evan Fournier are getting the max Hassan not getting it would be mind boggling. Big men have historically always been overpaid, Hassan for the max is happening one way or another.

Prepare yourself.

Thank goodness someone else gets it. The market is about to get REAL crazy. Prepare yourself is right.

[Hoops23]

^^^ that remains to be seen. LOL for saying Batum and Founier will get max contract soon.. Prepare yourself is I agree...

[Bourne85]

Lol who keeps bringing up this trash ass player Derozan???! Don't want that chucking scrub anywhere near this team.

As a matter of fact; I will apologize before hand. If Riley lets Whiteside walk, and we end up with Freaking Derozan, I literally will stop watching this team for a WHILE. Like til that bum is outta here.

Whiteside is worth the max like it or not. And it would be in our best interest to sign him. Do u guys not see how he owns that paint???? Pple are more afraid of him that freaking Dwight. He is our Defensive Anchor and that goes a long ass way. Goes way longer than an inefficient low % low iq chucking scrub that is Derozan