NBA 2022-23 Regular Season Thread Volume 1

[Hallstar]

This also goes back to the discussion about why we don't bring in outside coaches as assistants. When EVERYTHING is in house all the problems start looking like nails.

[twix2500]

I think the talent is fine, but the wrong mix.

This team doesn't have any elite iso player but only one screener in Bam who you also depend on scoring. This team needs atleast 2 high level screener on the court all the time. Warriors offense would be crap without screeners.

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That' the issue. I'll accept the talent is "fine".


But what does fine give you? there's about 6 teams with great talent. So fine should give you a second round exit unless you overarching big time.

The issue this season, is that we're underachieving with mediocre talent, when last season we overachieved.

We could overcome if our mediocre talent level really meshed well together, but having no real elite scorer on the team and being undersized across the board won't allow us to optimize what talent we do have.

I guess I'm not down on this start because i didn't believe this unit was gonna stick together by the trade deadline. I expect a lot of trades to happen. I don't expect this year to be a title run but a transition year.

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[BenoUdrihFTL]

Not sure why Spo's big concern is the offense after last night. Heat surrendered a 119.4 ORTG to the winless Kangz and got brutalized in the paint for a 2nd straight game after the Warriors dropped a 125.8 ORTG on Thursday. Seems like he was aggravated by Herro isoball but 34 points on 72% TS is the kind of isoball I'll take from this team, especially on one of Jimmy's lethargic nights

Of course it probably would've been an entirely different outcome and postgame presser had a scrub like Huerter not gone 7-8 from 3 but whatever, chit like that happens when you're simultaneously unable to defend both the interior and 3pt line

[heatlejuice]

In all my years of watching Spo, ive never seen him throw a player under the bus like with what he did with Herro. Spo usually protects his players with an unusual amount of verbal diplomacy. I wonder what is going on behind the scenes??

What did I miss?

Spo went hard at Herro postgame. This was a critique that seemed unfair, desperate and on a Hassan Whiteside level of frustration.

What did he say?

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Fun stat from last night:

Our starting "power rotation" of Bam and Caleb had 10 rebounds

The Kangz's starting PG had 13 rebounds

[ShulaDon92]

What did I miss?

Spo went hard at Herro postgame. This was a critique that seemed unfair, desperate and on a Hassan Whiteside level of frustration.

What did he say?

He said
heatlejuice
heatlejuice
heatlejuice

[Flash4thewin]

I think the talent is fine, but the wrong mix.

This team doesn't have any elite iso player but only one screener in Bam who you also depend on scoring. This team needs atleast 2 high level screener on the court all the time. Warriors offense would be crap without screeners.

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That' the issue. I'll accept the talent is "fine".


But what does fine give you? there's about 6 teams with great talent. So fine should give you a second round exit unless you overarching big time.

The issue this season, is that we're underachieving with mediocre talent, when last season we overachieved.

We could overcome if our mediocre talent level really meshed well together, but having no real elite scorer on the team and being undersized across the board won't allow us to optimize what talent we do have.

I guess I'm not down on this start is I didn't believe this unit was gonna stick together by the trade deadline. I expect a lot of trades to happen. I don't expect this year to be a title run but a transition year.

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Let’s be honest, who would give up a star for our players? We have what one more win than the Nets who many consider incompetent, what does that say about us?

[Bourne85]

Another generational talent waiting in the draft. And we here with the same tired team. The Jimmy years were fun but it’s time to move on. Trade Lowry Jimmy for picks and young player or two. Same for Herro and possibly even Bam if the price is right. No better time to blow it up. We aren’t good enough period. Time to make moves.

[wade44]

Another generational talent waiting in the draft. And we hear with the same tired team. The Jimmy years were fun but it’s time to move on. Trade Lowry Jimmy for picks and young player or two. Same for Herro and possibly even Bam if the price is right. No better time to blow it up. We aren’t good enough period. Time to make moves.

Would be the right decision for the long term. Since Duncan is untradeable, he can be the tank commander for a few seasons

[Timantha]

Another generational talent waiting in the draft. And we hear with the same tired team. The Jimmy years were fun but it’s time to move on. Trade Lowry Jimmy for picks and young player or two. Same for Herro and possibly even Bam if the price is right. No better time to blow it up. We aren’t good enough period. Time to make moves.

Wemby and Bam sounds nice in the front court ngl

[ShulaDon92]

That' the issue. I'll accept the talent is "fine".


But what does fine give you? there's about 6 teams with great talent. So fine should give you a second round exit unless you overarching big time.

The issue this season, is that we're underachieving with mediocre talent, when last season we overachieved.

We could overcome if our mediocre talent level really meshed well together, but having no real elite scorer on the team and being undersized across the board won't allow us to optimize what talent we do have.

I guess I'm not down on this start is I didn't believe this unit was gonna stick together by the trade deadline. I expect a lot of trades to happen. I don't expect this year to be a title run but a transition year.

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Let’s be honest, who would give up a star for our players? We have what one more win than the Nets who many consider incompetent, what does that say about us?

Thats really depressing thing to say bro. Why don't you try an upper?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Why? Herro only reason we were in this game. If it was last 2 games I'd understand not this one. There were other who were worse. Admittedly I only saw most of the 2nd half but Herro was good. I'm pro Spo but this is unfairly throwing a player under the bus when he's having a poor coaching series himself and the FO messed up in the summer. The biggest issue is defense because we are just too small on the wings to play good defense when we switch.

He had a great scoring half in the 2nd half, he was a huge reason we were down to begin with tho. Murray was just picking on him, they were singling him out. Unfortunately the defense is still horrible

He wasn't the only one. From what I saw in the 2nd half, everyone was crap on defense. When the other team is shooting 55 % from the field its just not one guy. And to give the players credit I can see they are trying. They are switching and closing out. This switching defense with these personnel is just not working.

I’m talking first half on what was A big reason we were down 22 at half. Couple the fact that we’re too small to rebound with the fact that we have multiple players who get picked on defensively and it’s a recipe for disaster.

Our back court just flat out can’t guard a soul, they have to take pride in that. It should have Herros blood boiling that you have rookies out there clearing it out to go to work on him

[3ammy3uck3ts]

This has not been a good start for Spoelstra in my opinion. The inexcusable late Jimmy sub in the 2nd Raptors game, and thinking he could survive Bam-less minutes in the 4th quarter last night. Those are pretty clearly mismanagement situations. But Spo always figures it out one way or another, so I’m not trippin.

Those were horrible decisions. This is probably one of his worst coaching jobs early on we’ve seen.

That being said, we don’t have the the right mix right now to be an elite team. Yurt isn’t the savior but he may help a little. We were banking on Dipo being a major piece for the 2nd unit and now that seems like a lost cause.

Moves are needed now before it’s too late but a few of us warned the rest about it this summer

[ShulaDon92]

He had a great scoring half in the 2nd half, he was a huge reason we were down to begin with tho. Murray was just picking on him, they were singling him out. Unfortunately the defense is still horrible

He wasn't the only one. From what I saw in the 2nd half, everyone was crap on defense. When the other team is shooting 55 % from the field its just not one guy. And to give the players credit I can see they are trying. They are switching and closing out. This switching defense with these personnel is just not working.

I’m talking first half on what was A big reason we were down 22 at half. Couple the fact that we’re too small to rebound with the fact that we have multiple players who get picked on defensively and it’s a recipe for disaster.

Our back court just flat out can’t guard a soul, they have to take pride in that. It should have Herros blood boiling that you have rookies out there clearing it out to go to work on him

Is defense supposed to be his game? Lol

Clowns.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Jimmy is an elite player. In literally every aspect of the game. There’s not 1 thing he’s not elite at when he locks in and sets his mind to it.

The problem there is that he’s not going to be fully invested until the playoffs. He didn’t give a damn about the game last night. It is what it is, this was supposed to be on Bam and Herro to carry this team through the regular season but the right fit around them is not the fit needed for them to succeed in that regard.

We need a bigger 4 that can defend rebound and knock down the 3, now you release some defensive burden from Bam to focus more on offense. HE IS OUT BIGGEST MISMATCH IN 90% OF OUR GAMES!

Herro needs Lowry from 5 years ago next to him.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

He wasn't the only one. From what I saw in the 2nd half, everyone was crap on defense. When the other team is shooting 55 % from the field its just not one guy. And to give the players credit I can see they are trying. They are switching and closing out. This switching defense with these personnel is just not working.

I’m talking first half on what was A big reason we were down 22 at half. Couple the fact that we’re too small to rebound with the fact that we have multiple players who get picked on defensively and it’s a recipe for disaster.

Our back court just flat out can’t guard a soul, they have to take pride in that. It should have Herros blood boiling that you have rookies out there clearing it out to go to work on him

Is defense supposed to be his game? Lol

Clowns.

So he’s just flat out not supposed to defend because he’s payed to score lol? And up until last night even that was looking shaky but the whole damn team has been shaky so it’s kind of hard to judge what’s real and what isnt

[ShulaDon92]

I’m talking first half on what was A big reason we were down 22 at half. Couple the fact that we’re too small to rebound with the fact that we have multiple players who get picked on defensively and it’s a recipe for disaster.

Our back court just flat out can’t guard a soul, they have to take pride in that. It should have Herros blood boiling that you have rookies out there clearing it out to go to work on him

Is defense supposed to be his game? Lol

Clowns.

So he’s just flat out not supposed to defend because he’s payed to score lol? And up until last night even that was looking shaky but the whole damn team has been shaky so it’s kind of hard to judge what’s real and what isnt

Them going at Herro is all good, they will only make him better but that said I'd rather his energy going to pimping w/ the ball and putting up 60 on these bozo the clowns.

[heatlejuice]

I have a feeling that KD went back to the nets with the condition that if things don’t work out by trade deadline, that the nets would send him to one of his preferred destinations. I would love for Herro to increase his trade value either for him or someone else. There will be opportunities. I’m not really upset about the **** start. Could be a good thing big picture

[wadenation305]

We need a defensive stopper PG to roll out next to Herro and Lowry ain't it. We need a legit 4 or 5 next to Bam that is preferably at least 6'10. The team is super unbalanced. And it's clear to see we are missing the defense and energy PJ brought to us.

At this point go get us Turner and Hield. Or blow it all up and keep only Bam,Herro and Jovic. Get as many picks as possible for everyone else. We'll probably have to sit on the Duncan contract for one more year before it becomes attractive trade bait. Tank for wembaya and possibly have :

???
Herro
Jovic
Bam
Wembaya

To go forward. Granted we would still need to be lucky and actually get the first pick. Knowing our luck we could have the worst record and still end up with the 14th pick somehow.

Besides Turner and held this season I don't see any other low hanging fruit that we wouldn't just get instantly outside by some random bad scrub team. I guess that what we get when 10 players on our team come from the g-league.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Fun fact:

Kings when defended by the following:

Herro: 10-18 56%
Caleb: 7-13 54%
Lowry: 5-10 50%

Jimmy: 4-12 33%
Bam 5-13 38%

Fox was 0-8 when defended by Bam or Jimmy btw.

We have 2 players in the starting lineup playing defense, they’re literally doing whatever they can to get stops but the problem is we can’t get a rebound after one of them get the stop considering they’re our 2 best rebounders in the starting lineup.

We have to add some size and rebounding but they can’t be a complete 0 offensively like Tucker. Someone like Turner or Bamba would be perfect off the top of my head. PJ Washington would he solid.

Moves have to be made now