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Post#441 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Nov 5, 2024 4:01 pm

Bam usage:

Knicks: 15%, disgusting and should never happen. Terrible loss.

Wizards: 35% great he should be over 30% every game, this led to a dominant 32-14 performance and easy win.

Kings: 19% just abandoning everything that just worked the game prior. Terrible loss (off a BS push off but still)

Ok I think I’ve got all my bitching and complaining out of the way for the day. This is about to be a disgusting November, I advise you all to go ahead and prepare yourself and throw all emotion out of the window and just sit back and analyze what you’re watching, if you even care to watch anymore. If anything MAYBE it leads to quick changes instead of sitting on our hands until the last second of the deadline or maybe we get big lineup changes or something and finally find the right group.
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Post#442 » by Kobewade11 » Tue Nov 5, 2024 4:05 pm

twix2500 wrote:Wtf is Rozier doing? Did he think the Heat had 6 seconds on the clock, why is he running full speed away from the basket?


It looks like by design they were trying to pull Rozier’s defender above the 3 pt line and hit Jimmy off the Bam screen, the defender didnt bite so Scary was the bailout. I get the concept but the screen was way too late

*watching again, Pelle didnt really sell the play either. His eyes were locked in on the middle of the floor the whole time. Just bad all around execution
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Re: 2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 1 

Post#443 » by unowen85 » Tue Nov 5, 2024 5:02 pm

This was supposed to be the year Bam focused on defense to improve his chances for DPOY, but he’s been getting clowned on to start the year. And his offensive numbers are, quite frankly, offensive.

He needs the DPOY to have small chance for HOF. But he might not even make All Star this year, or ever again with all the young talent coming in. Sad.
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Post#444 » by AirP. » Tue Nov 5, 2024 5:04 pm

Looking more at the 3rd quarter last night, it looked like the weakness of having 2 negative defenders as your starting backcourt came back to bite Miami. When both or at least 1 of the starting backcourt is scoring well you can negate the other team's scoring guard, but against teams with a high level scorer like Fox, sooner or later it's going to come back to bite you. When Richardson came in for Butler and also Highsmith for Jovic, Fox faked using a screen, Richarson bit trying to go over the screen early leaving Herro on Fox (who had space) and they immediately gave him the ball for a score. Link

I get what this offense is trying to do, which is raising the floor vs bad teams in the regular since Miami's backcourt should outscore bad teams' backcourt and quite possibly efficiently, but against good teams with a strong offensive guard, it's going to be tough to win with the lack of defense in the starting backcourt.
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Post#445 » by Hallstar » Tue Nov 5, 2024 5:06 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Bam usage:

Knicks: 15%, disgusting and should never happen. Terrible loss.

Wizards: 35% great he should be over 30% every game, this led to a dominant 32-14 performance and easy win.

Kings: 19% just abandoning everything that just worked the game prior. Terrible loss (off a BS push off but still)

Ok I think I’ve got all my bitching and complaining out of the way for the day. This is about to be a disgusting November, I advise you all to go ahead and prepare yourself and throw all emotion out of the window and just sit back and analyze what you’re watching, if you even care to watch anymore. If anything MAYBE it leads to quick changes instead of sitting on our hands until the last second of the deadline or maybe we get big lineup changes or something and finally find the right group.

only problem is Sabonis and Towns isn't Alex Sarr. And I actually agree with feeding Bam, but some of it is on Bam. He should be up for trying to dominate centers in his range. If he's aggressive he'll get the ball more
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Post#446 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Nov 5, 2024 5:10 pm

unowen85 wrote:This was supposed to be the year Bam focused on defense to improve his chances for DPOY, but he’s been getting clowned on to start the year. And his offensive numbers are, quite frankly, offensive.

He needs the DPOY to have small chance for HOF. But he might not even make All Star this year, or ever again with all the young talent coming in. Sad.


Kings shot a blistering 7/17 from the field against him and he’s even getting the counting stats (blocks and steals) that everyone eats up with 3 steals and 4 blocks last night.

Give him high usage and he’ll eat, he just showed it the last game. This team can’t decide who they want to eat.
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Post#447 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Nov 5, 2024 5:12 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Bam usage:

Knicks: 15%, disgusting and should never happen. Terrible loss.

Wizards: 35% great he should be over 30% every game, this led to a dominant 32-14 performance and easy win.

Kings: 19% just abandoning everything that just worked the game prior. Terrible loss (off a BS push off but still)

Ok I think I’ve got all my bitching and complaining out of the way for the day. This is about to be a disgusting November, I advise you all to go ahead and prepare yourself and throw all emotion out of the window and just sit back and analyze what you’re watching, if you even care to watch anymore. If anything MAYBE it leads to quick changes instead of sitting on our hands until the last second of the deadline or maybe we get big lineup changes or something and finally find the right group.

only problem is Sabonis and Towns isn't Alex Sarr. And I actually agree with feeding Bam, but some of it is on Bam. He should be up for trying to dominate centers in his range. If he's aggressive he'll get the ball more


Defensively they might as well be, they can’t guard anyone.

There was a drastic difference in how he was used in the wizards game compared to last night and it’s mind boggling. He had almost double the usage in the Wizards game and there was a noticeable effort to get him involved.
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Post#448 » by carnageta » Tue Nov 5, 2024 5:25 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Bam usage:

Knicks: 15%, disgusting and should never happen. Terrible loss.

Wizards: 35% great he should be over 30% every game, this led to a dominant 32-14 performance and easy win.

Kings: 19% just abandoning everything that just worked the game prior. Terrible loss (off a BS push off but still)

Ok I think I’ve got all my bitching and complaining out of the way for the day. This is about to be a disgusting November, I advise you all to go ahead and prepare yourself and throw all emotion out of the window and just sit back and analyze what you’re watching, if you even care to watch anymore. If anything MAYBE it leads to quick changes instead of sitting on our hands until the last second of the deadline or maybe we get big lineup changes or something and finally find the right group.


Yo 3ammy, I've been defending Bam for the longest time and I still support and believe in him, but it's time to wake up broski.

This poor play of his and lackluster shooting is entirely from his lack of offensive capabilities and questionable decision making.

There were 2 instances in yesterdays game where Bam had an open three, but instead of shooting it he took 2 dribbles inwards and settled for a mid-range contested 2 pointer (which of course, he bricked).

If you look closely at Bam's offensive production, basically every year since his 4th season he has started becoming less and less efficient from the field as we have started catering more and more towards his offensive needs. And even now, after 8 years in the league and having the 'green light' to shoot 3s, he is still settling for inefficient long 2s that are contested.

Bam is just not that guy, man. He will have big games every now and then (i.e. the Wizards), and even big weeks where it seems like he's a top 3 center in the NBA, but will always regress to his individual mean.

He's still the answer to get past the Celtics. He's still the answer to getting past Milwaukee. But he just isn't a true second option on a championship team.
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Post#449 » by carnageta » Tue Nov 5, 2024 5:27 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Hallstar wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Bam usage:

Knicks: 15%, disgusting and should never happen. Terrible loss.

Wizards: 35% great he should be over 30% every game, this led to a dominant 32-14 performance and easy win.

Kings: 19% just abandoning everything that just worked the game prior. Terrible loss (off a BS push off but still)

Ok I think I’ve got all my bitching and complaining out of the way for the day. This is about to be a disgusting November, I advise you all to go ahead and prepare yourself and throw all emotion out of the window and just sit back and analyze what you’re watching, if you even care to watch anymore. If anything MAYBE it leads to quick changes instead of sitting on our hands until the last second of the deadline or maybe we get big lineup changes or something and finally find the right group.

only problem is Sabonis and Towns isn't Alex Sarr. And I actually agree with feeding Bam, but some of it is on Bam. He should be up for trying to dominate centers in his range. If he's aggressive he'll get the ball more


Defensively they might as well be, they can’t guard anyone.

There was a drastic difference in how he was used in the wizards game compared to last night and it’s mind boggling. He had almost double the usage in the Wizards game and there was a noticeable effort to get him involved.



My G, the Kings used an entirely different defense scheme than what the Wizards used - that's why there was a difference in usage.

At the end of the day, Bam took 15 shots and scored 16 points. Star players need to be able to adapt to different defences.
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Post#450 » by twix2500 » Tue Nov 5, 2024 5:28 pm

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twix2500 wrote:Wtf is Rozier doing? Did he think the Heat had 6 seconds on the clock, why is he running full speed away from the basket?


It looks like by design they were trying to pull Rozier’s defender above the 3 pt line and hit Jimmy off the Bam screen, the defender didnt bite so Scary was the bailout. I get the concept but the screen was way too late

*watching again, Pelle didnt really sell the play either. His eyes were locked in on the middle of the floor the whole time. Just bad all around execution


Definitely not by design. Your defender has to be an absolute idiot to chase a player with 0.7 secs left all the way out to midcourt. All he did was take himself out of the play and allow the defend to help on someone else. Now its 3 vs 4 defenders.
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Post#451 » by carnageta » Tue Nov 5, 2024 5:30 pm

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unowen85 wrote:This was supposed to be the year Bam focused on defense to improve his chances for DPOY, but he’s been getting clowned on to start the year. And his offensive numbers are, quite frankly, offensive.

He needs the DPOY to have small chance for HOF. But he might not even make All Star this year, or ever again with all the young talent coming in. Sad.


Give him high usage and he’ll eat, he just showed it the last game. This team can’t decide who they want to eat.


Because there's no true offensive superstar on our roster lol. That's why we're a 'get it done by committee' group. Some days it'll be Bam taking the most shots (i.e. against the Wizards) - when he has a matchup advantage. Other days it'll be Butler. Other days it'll be Herro.
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Post#452 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Nov 5, 2024 5:32 pm

Give Bam 10 straight games with a usage rate higher than 30%, if he **** the bed we can make judgements and go from there but if he’s just going to be neutered in this offense we really don’t want to win games.
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Post#453 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Nov 5, 2024 5:33 pm

31-20 record when Bam has 30% usage or higher, 26-15 over the last 3 seasons or so.
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Post#454 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Nov 5, 2024 5:35 pm

carnageta wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Hallstar wrote:only problem is Sabonis and Towns isn't Alex Sarr. And I actually agree with feeding Bam, but some of it is on Bam. He should be up for trying to dominate centers in his range. If he's aggressive he'll get the ball more


Defensively they might as well be, they can’t guard anyone.

There was a drastic difference in how he was used in the wizards game compared to last night and it’s mind boggling. He had almost double the usage in the Wizards game and there was a noticeable effort to get him involved.



My G, the Kings used an entirely different defense scheme than what the Wizards used - that's why there was a difference in usage.

At the end of the day, Bam took 15 shots and scored 16 points. Star players need to be able to adapt to different defences.


Usage is dependent on scheme, not variable on the opposing teams defense. Your best players usage should always be high.
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Post#455 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Nov 5, 2024 5:36 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Bam usage:

Knicks: 15%, disgusting and should never happen. Terrible loss.

Wizards: 35% great he should be over 30% every game, this led to a dominant 32-14 performance and easy win.

Kings: 19% just abandoning everything that just worked the game prior. Terrible loss (off a BS push off but still)

Ok I think I’ve got all my bitching and complaining out of the way for the day. This is about to be a disgusting November, I advise you all to go ahead and prepare yourself and throw all emotion out of the window and just sit back and analyze what you’re watching, if you even care to watch anymore. If anything MAYBE it leads to quick changes instead of sitting on our hands until the last second of the deadline or maybe we get big lineup changes or something and finally find the right group.


Yo 3ammy, I've been defending Bam for the longest time and I still support and believe in him, but it's time to wake up broski.

This poor play of his and lackluster shooting is entirely from his lack of offensive capabilities and questionable decision making.

There were 2 instances in yesterdays game where Bam had an open three, but instead of shooting it he took 2 dribbles inwards and settled for a mid-range contested 2 pointer (which of course, he bricked).

If you look closely at Bam's offensive production, basically every year since his 4th season he has started becoming less and less efficient from the field as we have started catering more and more towards his offensive needs. And even now, after 8 years in the league and having the 'green light' to shoot 3s, he is still settling for inefficient long 2s that are contested.

Bam is just not that guy, man. He will have big games every now and then (i.e. the Wizards), and even big weeks where it seems like he's a top 3 center in the NBA, but will always regress to his individual mean.

He's still the answer to get past the Celtics. He's still the answer to getting past Milwaukee. But he just isn't a true second option on a championship team.


Nearly every time his numbers called and we make an effort to heavily involve him in the offense he answers and we win majority of those games so I can’t agree. This team can’t figure out who they want to score because we have 2 very high volume back court players and we’re parking Jimmy and Bam in the corners or just using them as screen setters. It’s ugly as hell
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Post#456 » by Kobewade11 » Tue Nov 5, 2024 5:42 pm

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twix2500 wrote:Wtf is Rozier doing? Did he think the Heat had 6 seconds on the clock, why is he running full speed away from the basket?


It looks like by design they were trying to pull Rozier’s defender above the 3 pt line and hit Jimmy off the Bam screen, the defender didnt bite so Scary was the bailout. I get the concept but the screen was way too late

*watching again, Pelle didnt really sell the play either. His eyes were locked in on the middle of the floor the whole time. Just bad all around execution


Definitely not by design. Your defender has to be an absolute idiot to chase a player with 0.7 secs left all the way out to midcourt. All he did was take himself out of the play and allow the defend to help on someone else. Now its 3 vs 4 defenders.

I've been wrong before but I'd bet a good chuck of change that Rozier did not come out of the timeout and decide on his own to run out to midcourt. It looks like the idea was to draw the defender close enough to the 3 point line to open up the top of the key but the timing of the play was all off.
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Post#458 » by jbsays » Tue Nov 5, 2024 7:14 pm

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jbsays wrote:Yeah... I don't think Dame is the answer even if he was able to be added to Bam and Jimmy.

I hate to say this, but I'm no longer against team trading Bam. The Nets got 4 unprotected first rounders for Bridges. In 2019 the Clippers gave up Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Danilo Gallinari, five first-round draft picks, and the rights to swap two other first-round picks for Paul George. Nobody knew how good SGA was going to be, but he was a younger guy with potential. Bam right now is definitely better than Bridges or 2019 PG.

If Heat could get 4-5 first round picks and a young guy with potential they think may be an allstar then I think they have to consider it.



I dont think the decision makers outside of South Florida have the type of perception of Bam that would warrant anywhere near that kind of return.

I'll go against the grain here but if Dame could be had for a package that includes Rozier, Duncan, 1 pick, and a non-Herro/Jaime/Ware contract, I'd do it. We aren't going to tank so the Flagg option is off the table. The young 1A option (ie: Fox, Edwards, etc.) is simply not available, so unless there's a sense somebody is going to be available this summer I wouldn't turn down the opportunity to get a guy who puts Jimmy, Herro, and Bam in the correct order in terms of 2nd, 3rd option, even if he is 34.


Maybe not 2019 PG, but I got to think nearly everybody thinks Bam is better than Bridges.

Still like everyone is saying... Heat aren't going to do it.
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Post#459 » by Kobewade11 » Tue Nov 5, 2024 8:09 pm

jbsays wrote:Maybe not 2019 PG, but I got to think nearly everybody thinks Bam is better than Bridges.

Still like everyone is saying... Heat aren't going to do it.


It's not a question of who is better, and I don't even think it's a matter of the Heat pulling the trigger - there just isnt a team that's going to offer that kind of package. NY paid an extra tax to acquire Bridges because it was intra-conference (city) and they already had a build in place. I'm scanning both conferences now and I can't find the single team that says Bam is the final piece to my build let me offer 4-5 firsts and a young player.
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Post#460 » by AirP. » Tue Nov 5, 2024 10:48 pm

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