2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 4

[Enso]

Jimmy on lakers would work, Jimmy needs someone like Bron to get him in line

[Flash4thewin]

I think at this point ignoring the Jimmy issue, the only thing that honestly matters is whether Bam and Ware can play together or if Spo will play them together. Im totally cool with us losing games to get that answer because we need to know if they can play together period. If for whatever reason Spo wont play them together then that issue becomes resolved in the offseason but right now we need to know if they can play together.

[contract]

Do people really get paid to write this ****?

Heat may swap Jimmy Butler for undervalued $285 million Celtics superstar (Jaylen Brown) via trade

Spoiler:

The Miami Heat likely weren’t planning on completing a groundbreaking trade before the Jimmy Butler drama.

However, the organization could swap Butler for an undervalued Boston Celtics superstar this season.

“The Boston Celtics have one of the best rosters in the NBA," Sports Illustrated's Matt Levine wrote Sunday.

"That doesn't mean that they wouldn't try to improve it if the right deal came along.”

“Jimmy Butler is available and he is a really good small forward when healthy. This trade proposal would see Boston land him.”

“Because both teams are hard-capped by the second apron, it would need to be almost a straight-up swap to make the contracts work.”

“That's why the Celtics would have to give up Brown in his deal in order to get Butler."

"Adding Butler would give the Celtics an alpha-dog leader.”

“For Miami, they are able to start over with a younger star who has championship pedigree.”

“As far as 1v1 swaps go, this is about as good of a deal as they can hope for. Brown is still a really good player, even though he is a very expensive one moving forward.”

“Miami would jump on this deal if it was available to them. Even though Brown is very expensive moving forward, the Heat needs a start to build around once they ship Butler off.”

“Brown would pair very well with Bam Adebayo on the defensive end of the court.”

Due to Brown’s shaky left-handed dribbling ability, he doesn’t receive the appropriate recognition in the big leagues.

To some spectators, Brown’s inconsistent production while utilizing his weak hand makes him a slightly above-average player at best.

However, the California product’s notable flaw doesn’t change the fact he’s one of the most lethal straight-line drivers in the league.

In 31 games with the Celtics this season, Brown averages 24.1 points per contest on 46% field goal shooting and 32.2% three-point shooting.

While the Heat wouldn’t balk at acquiring a younger standout wing in Brown with more juice left in the tank, what incentive would the Celtics have for completing a blockbuster deal?

The Celtics are well on their way to winning another championship under Joe Mazzulla, making it logical for the franchise to do everything they can to retain their key assets.

It would be in the Heat’s best interest to swap Butler for an alternative stud before the Feb. 6 trade deadline.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/miami-heat/news/heat-may-swap-jimmy-butler-undervalued-285-million-celtics-superstar/73687de54401b0f8047f3ef1

[greg4012]

I think at this point ignoring the Jimmy issue, the only thing that honestly matters is whether Bam and Ware can play together or if Spo will play them together. Im totally cool with us losing games to get that answer because we need to know if they can play together period. If for whatever reason Spo wont play them together then that issue becomes resolved in the offseason but right now we need to know if they can play together.

As long as the Heat staff have an idea/plan as to the Bam/Ware fit, then I don't think the fans need to know right now. There's a developmental process at play.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I think at this point ignoring the Jimmy issue, the only thing that honestly matters is whether Bam and Ware can play together or if Spo will play them together. Im totally cool with us losing games to get that answer because we need to know if they can play together period. If for whatever reason Spo wont play them together then that issue becomes resolved in the offseason but right now we need to know if they can play together.

They can and they will only fit better as they continue to both work on their 3 ball, it’s time to start getting them reps together

[Enso]

Do people really get paid to write this ****?

Heat may swap Jimmy Butler for undervalued $285 million Celtics superstar (Jaylen Brown) via trade

Spoiler:

The Miami Heat likely weren’t planning on completing a groundbreaking trade before the Jimmy Butler drama.

However, the organization could swap Butler for an undervalued Boston Celtics superstar this season.

lol wut

“The Boston Celtics have one of the best rosters in the NBA," Sports Illustrated's Matt Levine wrote Sunday.

"That doesn't mean that they wouldn't try to improve it if the right deal came along.”

“Jimmy Butler is available and he is a really good small forward when healthy. This trade proposal would see Boston land him.”

“Because both teams are hard-capped by the second apron, it would need to be almost a straight-up swap to make the contracts work.”

“That's why the Celtics would have to give up Brown in his deal in order to get Butler."

"Adding Butler would give the Celtics an alpha-dog leader.”

“For Miami, they are able to start over with a younger star who has championship pedigree.”

“As far as 1v1 swaps go, this is about as good of a deal as they can hope for. Brown is still a really good player, even though he is a very expensive one moving forward.”

“Miami would jump on this deal if it was available to them. Even though Brown is very expensive moving forward, the Heat needs a start to build around once they ship Butler off.”

“Brown would pair very well with Bam Adebayo on the defensive end of the court.”

Due to Brown’s shaky left-handed dribbling ability, he doesn’t receive the appropriate recognition in the big leagues.

To some spectators, Brown’s inconsistent production while utilizing his weak hand makes him a slightly above-average player at best.

However, the California product’s notable flaw doesn’t change the fact he’s one of the most lethal straight-line drivers in the league.

In 31 games with the Celtics this season, Brown averages 24.1 points per contest on 46% field goal shooting and 32.2% three-point shooting.

While the Heat wouldn’t balk at acquiring a younger standout wing in Brown with more juice left in the tank, what incentive would the Celtics have for completing a blockbuster deal?

The Celtics are well on their way to winning another championship under Joe Mazzulla, making it logical for the franchise to do everything they can to retain their key assets.

It would be in the Heat’s best interest to swap Butler for an alternative stud before the Feb. 6 trade deadline.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/miami-heat/news/heat-may-swap-jimmy-butler-undervalued-285-million-celtics-superstar/73687de54401b0f8047f3ef1

lol wut

[oreon]

I think at this point ignoring the Jimmy issue, the only thing that honestly matters is whether Bam and Ware can play together or if Spo will play them together. Im totally cool with us losing games to get that answer because we need to know if they can play together period. If for whatever reason Spo wont play them together then that issue becomes resolved in the offseason but right now we need to know if they can play together.

I'm fine if they don't play together this season. I don't think we need to rush Ware development. Let him come off the bench and maybe next season start next to Bam.
For me the biggest 3 questions that need to be answered are
1. Can Herro be a no 2 option in a contending team
2, Can Bam be a no 3 option
3. Can Jovic be a high level starter or role player cuz we need to decide whether to play

If 1 and 2 is no, then we need to go full rebuild. If 1 and 2 are yes, then keep the core together and try to find a no 1 option. The Ware Bam thing can be pushed off to next season. I know FO i stubborn so they don't want to accept a possibility of a rebuild. But at the end of the season they should be honest of where Bam and Herro are. If they don't project as perennial allstars going foward and then there's no point in keeping them. So far Herro trending in right direction, Bam wrong one and Jovic need more games to see

[Lennyzinho]

Got to admit I underrated just how low Terry's basketball IQ is.

Front office should have known better.

Crucial for small guards.

Lots of folks were saying Rozier was garbage on the threads and forums. I was excited to get Rozier, although half of that excitement was simply moving on from Lowry. But it's pretty clear he was just stat padding on a bad team and was having a "good" year on some of his shooting %'s. Overall the Lowry trade and 3-90M deal followed by shipping him out and sending a FRP for rozier is pretty horrendous.
Hes been so bad. To think we are hovering above .500 with 90M (jimmy rozier duncan) either not playing or giving us bad minutes or completely replaceable production is rough.

[twix2500]

Got to admit I underrated just how low Terry's basketball IQ is.

Front office should have known better.

Crucial for small guards.

i suspect after the trade deadline Christopher or Larsson will take his mins

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Got to admit I underrated just how low Terry's basketball IQ is.

Front office should have known better.

Crucial for small guards.

i suspect after the trade deadline Christopher or Larsson will take his mins

Hopefully not, we need to make the playoffs. Need a legit nba level rotation player running that spot

[twix2500]

Got to admit I underrated just how low Terry's basketball IQ is.

Front office should have known better.

Crucial for small guards.

i suspect after the trade deadline Christopher or Larsson will take his mins

Hopefully not, we need to make the playoffs. Need a legit nba level rotation player running that spot

Rozier is not playing at a AAU level

[3ammy3uck3ts]

i suspect after the trade deadline Christopher or Larsson will take his mins

Hopefully not, we need to make the playoffs. Need a legit nba level rotation player running that spot

Rozier is not playing at a AAU level

Right needs to not be Rozier either

[Enso]

When we got terry I went back and looked at highlights with the C’s and got excited. He was a big time shot maker, athletic with balls in big moments.

All those years on a loser getting paid to play in non meaningful games might of dulled the edge he had. You can tell he cares and wants to play well but there’s a hesitation and doubt in his game.

Reminds me of the iggy quote where heat culture can sometimes make guys over prepared and too tense. Not sure if it’s that and that he’s stuck in his head or if he’s really not that guy anymore.

Somethings gotta give though

[greg4012]

I think at this point ignoring the Jimmy issue, the only thing that honestly matters is whether Bam and Ware can play together or if Spo will play them together. Im totally cool with us losing games to get that answer because we need to know if they can play together period. If for whatever reason Spo wont play them together then that issue becomes resolved in the offseason but right now we need to know if they can play together.

I'm fine if they don't play together this season. I don't think we need to rush Ware development. Let him come off the bench and maybe next season start next to Bam.
For me the biggest 3 questions that need to be answered are
1. Can Herro be a no 2 option in a contending team
2, Can Bam be a no 3 option
3. Can Jovic be a high level starter or role player cuz we need to decide whether to play

If 1 and 2 is no, then we need to go full rebuild. If 1 and 2 are yes, then keep the core together and try to find a no 1 option. The Ware Bam thing can be pushed off to next season. I know FO i stubborn so they don't want to accept a possibility of a rebuild. But at the end of the season they should be honest of where Bam and Herro are. If they don't project as perennial allstars going foward and then there's no point in keeping them. So far Herro trending in right direction, Bam wrong one and Jovic need more games to see

I believe these questions are on point. I'm optimistic that the answer to them is yes, but we need to see (1) Herro keep up this rate of play for the whole season and (2) see Bam bounce back out of this slump. The challenge remains finding that 1A leading scorer and ensuring that there is synergy and compatibility with the Heat's personnel. I think De'Aaron Fox fits the bill.

Here's some context that I believe is telling with questions 1 & 2 above. The following are the ppg averages of the #2 scorer of each of the past 10 champions (ppg of #3 scorer in parenthesis for context)

BOS = 23 (20)
DEN = 20 (17)
GSW = 20 (18.5)
MIL = 20 (17.7)
LAL = 25 (12.8)
TOR = 17 (15)
GSW = 26 (20)
GSW = 25 (22)
CLE = 19 (16)
GSW = 21.7 (11.7)

#2 scorer averages out to 21.7 ppg with Kevin Durant making up the 2 highest outlier totals. #3 scorer averages out to 17 ppg.

Out of all the #2 and #3 scorers on a championship team only 2 come close to Bam's overall defense and floor game impact--Anthony Davis (25 ppg--STUD) and Draymond Green (11.7 ppg).

I expect bringing on a lead PG helps alleviate some of Bam's inefficiencies offensively. Just getting Bam more assisted looks should be a big boost (Heat has the lowest assist leader of any NBA team).

It's a unique dynamic where I still believe Bam could be the 2nd most impactful player on a championship squad, but that doesn't mean he should be leaned on as the 2nd highest scorer. He does everything else. TBH most championship teams have high level players doing the unheralded stuff. And in theory, Bam helps Herro be enough by covering up his weaknesses.

The vision: 2 years from now Miami has the best and most versatile frontcourt rotation in the NBA with 96 minutes of Bam, Ware and Jovic being fueled by 2 dynamic scoring guards in Fox and Herro and a platoon of athletic 3 & D players filling the gaps (Keshad Johnson, Highsmith, Larsson, etc.)

[MettaWorldPanda]

Stevens who was given a two way should be given a look by now. There’s no salvaging Rozier’s value. He’s nothing more than expiring fodder next year.

[DayofMourning]

Do people really get paid to write this ****?

Heat may swap Jimmy Butler for undervalued $285 million Celtics superstar (Jaylen Brown) via trade

Spoiler:

The Miami Heat likely weren’t planning on completing a groundbreaking trade before the Jimmy Butler drama.

However, the organization could swap Butler for an undervalued Boston Celtics superstar this season.

“The Boston Celtics have one of the best rosters in the NBA," Sports Illustrated's Matt Levine wrote Sunday.

"That doesn't mean that they wouldn't try to improve it if the right deal came along.”

“Jimmy Butler is available and he is a really good small forward when healthy. This trade proposal would see Boston land him.”

“Because both teams are hard-capped by the second apron, it would need to be almost a straight-up swap to make the contracts work.”

“That's why the Celtics would have to give up Brown in his deal in order to get Butler."

"Adding Butler would give the Celtics an alpha-dog leader.”

“For Miami, they are able to start over with a younger star who has championship pedigree.”

“As far as 1v1 swaps go, this is about as good of a deal as they can hope for. Brown is still a really good player, even though he is a very expensive one moving forward.”

“Miami would jump on this deal if it was available to them. Even though Brown is very expensive moving forward, the Heat needs a start to build around once they ship Butler off.”

“Brown would pair very well with Bam Adebayo on the defensive end of the court.”

Due to Brown’s shaky left-handed dribbling ability, he doesn’t receive the appropriate recognition in the big leagues.

To some spectators, Brown’s inconsistent production while utilizing his weak hand makes him a slightly above-average player at best.

However, the California product’s notable flaw doesn’t change the fact he’s one of the most lethal straight-line drivers in the league.

In 31 games with the Celtics this season, Brown averages 24.1 points per contest on 46% field goal shooting and 32.2% three-point shooting.

While the Heat wouldn’t balk at acquiring a younger standout wing in Brown with more juice left in the tank, what incentive would the Celtics have for completing a blockbuster deal?

The Celtics are well on their way to winning another championship under Joe Mazzulla, making it logical for the franchise to do everything they can to retain their key assets.

It would be in the Heat’s best interest to swap Butler for an alternative stud before the Feb. 6 trade deadline.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/miami-heat/news/heat-may-swap-jimmy-butler-undervalued-285-million-celtics-superstar/73687de54401b0f8047f3ef1

I remember browsing that, and the finish was something like, "But why would Boston do that?"

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[DayofMourning]

I think at this point ignoring the Jimmy issue, the only thing that honestly matters is whether Bam and Ware can play together or if Spo will play them together. Im totally cool with us losing games to get that answer because we need to know if they can play together period. If for whatever reason Spo wont play them together then that issue becomes resolved in the offseason but right now we need to know if they can play together.

I'm fine if they don't play together this season. I don't think we need to rush Ware development. Let him come off the bench and maybe next season start next to Bam.
For me the biggest 3 questions that need to be answered are
1. Can Herro be a no 2 option in a contending team
2, Can Bam be a no 3 option
3. Can Jovic be a high level starter or role player cuz we need to decide whether to play

If 1 and 2 is no, then we need to go full rebuild. If 1 and 2 are yes, then keep the core together and try to find a no 1 option. The Ware Bam thing can be pushed off to next season. I know FO i stubborn so they don't want to accept a possibility of a rebuild. But at the end of the season they should be honest of where Bam and Herro are. If they don't project as perennial allstars going foward and then there's no point in keeping them. So far Herro trending in right direction, Bam wrong one and Jovic need more games to see

I believe these questions are on point. I'm optimistic that the answer to them is yes, but we need to see (1) Herro keep up this rate of play for the whole season and (2) see Bam bounce back out of this slump. The challenge remains finding that 1A leading scorer and ensuring that there is synergy and compatibility with the Heat's personnel. I think De'Aaron Fox fits the bill.

Here's some context that I believe is telling with questions 1 & 2 above. The following are the ppg averages of the #2 scorer of each of the past 10 champions (ppg of #3 scorer in parenthesis for context)

BOS = 23 (20)
DEN = 20 (17)
GSW = 20 (18.5)
MIL = 20 (17.7)
LAL = 25 (12.8)
TOR = 17 (15)
GSW = 26 (20)
GSW = 25 (22)
CLE = 19 (16)
GSW = 21.7 (11.7)

#2 scorer averages out to 21.7 ppg with Kevin Durant making up the 2 highest outlier totals. #3 scorer averages out to 17 ppg.

Out of all the #2 and #3 scorers on a championship team only 2 come close to Bam's overall defense and floor game impact--Anthony Davis (25 ppg--STUD) and Draymond Green (11.7 ppg).

I expect bringing on a lead PG helps alleviate some of Bam's inefficiencies offensively. Just getting Bam more assisted looks should be a big boost (Heat has the lowest assist leader of any NBA team).

It's a unique dynamic where I still believe Bam could be the 2nd most impactful player on a championship squad, but that doesn't mean he should be leaned on as the 2nd highest scorer. He does everything else. TBH most championship teams have high level players doing the unheralded stuff. And in theory, Bam helps Herro be enough by covering up his weaknesses.

The vision: 2 years from now Miami has the best and most versatile frontcourt rotation in the NBA with 96 minutes of Bam, Ware and Jovic being fueled by 2 dynamic scoring guards in Fox and Herro and a platoon of athletic 3 & D players filling the gaps (Keshad Johnson, Highsmith, Larsson, etc.)

The dream.

By that time, I hope all our draftees have evolved into their efficient forms.

Could be good.

[MorbidHEAT]

lol if Jimmy doesn't get traded. Bernie Lee will never get another client. Moron

Bernie has been trying man. Came out and called the initial trade rumors false. Probably sat Jimmy down explained to him that this was not going to go well for him, then Bernie comes out to Miami and meets with the front office to try to smooth things over. Then Jimmy comes back and plays after the illness, and Bernie Lee has to watch Jimmy's press conference in absolute horror.

Jimmy better come back to beg for forgiveness. He is going to have no choice but to opt in to next year because he won’t get more than 30 mil or so on the free agent market.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Props to Herro. Pat literally called him fragile and told him Duncan and Strus that they all should be giving half of their paychecks to Bam and they all used that as motivation. Jimmy’s soft