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2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 5 - JIMMY BUTTWART EXTRAVAGANZA

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Re: 2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 5 - JIMMY BUTTWART EXTRAVAGANZA 

Post#441 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:56 am

batterybro42 wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
batterybro42 wrote:

If you actually watch the games it’s not a simple as you want to make it seem here in the metrics.

Bam is legitimately invited to shoot the basketball often times he isn’t even defended anywhere outside the paint aside from drive denials. It has no gravity or effect on the offense at all except for being a negative. It is not efficient and is a win for the defense every time if a Miami possession ends with Bam taking a mid range to a 3 point shot.

Anthony Davis is a proven shot maker in this league, if you leave him open he will bury that shot. He holds gravity everywhere on the offensive end and is a legitimate scorer of the basketball, and is defended like one.

Bam gets his points mainly because the defense allows him to take those really bad inefficient free throw line looks, and points off try hard dunk man stuff. He has no game, absolutely zero bag on offense. When he has great nights it’s often because the defense made the calculated gamble to let him shoot, and it just happened to not work out in their favor.

Now Miami is moving away from Bam being the try hard dunk man because we have a better one, and you can see the result. Now we have people pretending like he’s a 22 year old developing player and not an 8 year NBA veteran. He’s a great player but at 60 million dollars a year that juice isn’t worth the squeeze when you have a more talented big 7 years younger who is a better rim protector, better shooter, and a better lob threat. Not many guys not playing the 5 in this league who can’t shoot who are at the top of the game. Maybe you can provide some comps, also before you bring up the 2020 Lakers consider that was half a decade ago and the game has changed dramatically, and we don’t have a top 5 player in the games history on this team to carry, but you might be able to go really get some fire power to surround Ware and Herro with over 120 million in cap space and war chest of draft capital.

Bam might be one of the worst max players in the NBA that isn’t in their mid 30s and physically washed.

The Mercedes Benz of Joel Anthony’s

The Ja Morant of Willie Reeds


Love the desperate nonsense you turn to when every fraudulent statement gets refuted and you have nothing else to turn to.

“If you only watched bro!”

Throw in a sad attempt at being clever (leave that to more creative ppl than yourself)

All the while make sure you constantly move the goalposts to cover for your original uneducated statements that you throw out based on pure emotion!

Distract and deflect! Can’t have anyone dwelling on all the dumb sh*t you said!

Own up to it instead of always backtracking and defaulting to the same tired crying.

You said a bunch of nonsense and are desperately attempting to bridge the gap to normalize it now.

The freak out about raw numbers in an inflationary salary cap NBA is pure scare tactic. Talk % of cap or sit down and learn

Yawn.

I’m going to enjoy you continuing to cry about this. I bet you were the type that always thought he was destined to be Tristan Thompson.

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Where are all the great non 5s in the league who can’t shoot? Let’s list them all here in this thread


They are very clearly working on developing that and I Gave you the numbers yesterday or the day before from similar cases, you just want to be hard headed and ignore it so you can talk **** lol.

And why does it even matter? Despite not being a shooter Bam has been widely known as a top 25 player in this league for years now and his accolades/deep postseason runs back that. You should be looking forward to someone on your favorite team strengthening one of their weaknesses and becoming a better player in time but this weird subsection of fans just loves talking in such extremes and negatives at every corner when it comes to the dude. Literally never happy. The second Bams 3 ball becomes consistent and he has quicker decision making when attacking he will literally have 0 weaknesses in his game.
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Post#442 » by Bishop45 » Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:57 am

Jimmy blocking his blessing by trying to block a Memphis trade, but I’m guessing he doesn’t want another leading role, which I ain’t mad at
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Post#443 » by batterybro42 » Sat Jan 25, 2025 3:02 am

greg4012 wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
Love the desperate nonsense you turn to when every fraudulent statement gets refuted and you have nothing else to turn to.

“If you only watched bro!”

Throw in a sad attempt at being clever (leave that to more creative ppl than yourself)

All the while make sure you constantly move the goalposts to cover for your original uneducated statements that you throw out based on pure emotion!

Distract and deflect! Can’t have anyone dwelling on all the dumb sh*t you said!

Own up to it instead of always backtracking and defaulting to the same tired crying.

You said a bunch of nonsense and are desperately attempting to bridge the gap to normalize it now.

The freak out about raw numbers in an inflationary salary cap NBA is pure scare tactic. Talk % of cap or sit down and learn

Yawn.

I’m going to enjoy you continuing to cry about this. I bet you were the type that always thought he was destined to be Tristan Thompson.

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Hahaha exactly what I said to you earlier, posters who can have an educated discussion are few and far between and they ignore the facts you bring and just spout a bunch of fuxkin nonsense. Dude literally just talked out of his ass for 8 paragraphs then you have some other Bam haters who will ride that coat tails of that BS


I care about the Miami Heat. I enjoy diving into this stuff. I take pride in having developed some insight from a lifetime of going to and watching games. Dude brings up concerns about fit with Bam and Ware in modern nba. I provide elaborate, research breakdown with empirical evidence refuting his concerns and misplaced counters and thus highlighting paths to how the offense can evolve to be complementary and productive for both.

Dude turns to the same tired distract, deflect and ALWAYS skirt accountability and pretends this is a discussion as to if Bam is AD paired with all the typical scary boy hits.

Clowns need to be told they’re clowns even if they pretend to not hear/see it.


Big dog you provided a bunch of out of context data and tried to make a case that AD and Bam have similar perimeter skills, and have gone to personal attacks on a Miami Heat message board over it.

I can promise you this, not thinking Bam is worth 60 million dollars isn’t going to have Pat Riley show up at your door and revoke your Heat fan status, it isn’t that deep
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Post#444 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Jan 25, 2025 3:04 am

oreon wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
marson wrote:Love to see Bam stans versus not so much stans going at it :lol:

at the end of the day we should all be Heat stans.



Its so funny to be labeled a Bam stan because you’re a Heat fan defending one of the more important and successful players in Heat history from complete nonsensical takes :lol:

Heats fans LOVE **** on this dude but when it’s all said and done he’ll be a top player in Heat history easily, now theyve just spent all these years being an idiotic fuxkin hater for no reason


Bros a stan and he didn't know he was a stan. Most here aren't hating on Bam. Just if he continues to struggle Heat should be open to moving him. Same applies to Herro if he regresses badly. All options should be on the table in the offseason including blowing this up if Bam and Herro don't show something. They need to prove they are worth the money they are getting paid


Oh I know I’m labeled a stan for defending my favorite teams franchise player, I just simply don’t give a fuxk and think it’s funny/ironic.

Bams earned his contract and more over the years, luckily everything isn’t just under a microscope and living in the moment.

You don’t speak for everyone else
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Post#445 » by batterybro42 » Sat Jan 25, 2025 3:06 am

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
batterybro42 wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
Love the desperate nonsense you turn to when every fraudulent statement gets refuted and you have nothing else to turn to.

“If you only watched bro!”

Throw in a sad attempt at being clever (leave that to more creative ppl than yourself)

All the while make sure you constantly move the goalposts to cover for your original uneducated statements that you throw out based on pure emotion!

Distract and deflect! Can’t have anyone dwelling on all the dumb sh*t you said!

Own up to it instead of always backtracking and defaulting to the same tired crying.

You said a bunch of nonsense and are desperately attempting to bridge the gap to normalize it now.

The freak out about raw numbers in an inflationary salary cap NBA is pure scare tactic. Talk % of cap or sit down and learn

Yawn.

I’m going to enjoy you continuing to cry about this. I bet you were the type that always thought he was destined to be Tristan Thompson.

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Where are all the great non 5s in the league who can’t shoot? Let’s list them all here in this thread


They are very clearly working on developing that and I Gave you the numbers yesterday or the day before from similar cases, you just want to be hard headed and ignore it so you can talk **** lol.

And why does it even matter? Despite not being a shooter Bam has been widely known as a top 25 player in this league for years now and his accolades/deep postseason runs back that. You should be looking forward to someone on your favorite team strengthening one of their weaknesses and becoming a better player in time but this weird subsection of fans just loves talking in such extremes and negatives at every corner when it comes to the dude. Literally never happy. The second Bams 3 ball becomes consistent and he has quicker decision making when attacking he will literally have 0 weaknesses in his game.


I think it’s a reasonable position to hold that paying a guy 60 million dollars with the hope that he can suddenly transform his game and develop a shot after having had 8 years to do it, might not be the smartest use of that money, especially when that player can also get you additional assets in return aside from the available cap space his departure can create.
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Post#446 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Jan 25, 2025 3:07 am

batterybro42 wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Hahaha exactly what I said to you earlier, posters who can have an educated discussion are few and far between and they ignore the facts you bring and just spout a bunch of fuxkin nonsense. Dude literally just talked out of his ass for 8 paragraphs then you have some other Bam haters who will ride that coat tails of that BS


I care about the Miami Heat. I enjoy diving into this stuff. I take pride in having developed some insight from a lifetime of going to and watching games. Dude brings up concerns about fit with Bam and Ware in modern nba. I provide elaborate, research breakdown with empirical evidence refuting his concerns and misplaced counters and thus highlighting paths to how the offense can evolve to be complementary and productive for both.

Dude turns to the same tired distract, deflect and ALWAYS skirt accountability and pretends this is a discussion as to if Bam is AD paired with all the typical scary boy hits.

Clowns need to be told they’re clowns even if they pretend to not hear/see it.


Big dog you provided a bunch of out of context data and tried to make a case that AD and Bam have similar perimeter skills, and have gone to personal attacks on a Miami Heat message board over it.

I can promise you this, not thinking Bam is worth 60 million dollars isn’t going to have Pat Riley show up at your door and revoke your Heat fan status, it isn’t that deep


Bam doesn’t even hit $50M for another 2 seasons and then hits $60M for the final season of his contract when he’s 31. Let’s stop acting like the dude is making $60M over the next 5 years
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Post#447 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Jan 25, 2025 3:08 am

batterybro42 wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
batterybro42 wrote:
Where are all the great non 5s in the league who can’t shoot? Let’s list them all here in this thread


They are very clearly working on developing that and I Gave you the numbers yesterday or the day before from similar cases, you just want to be hard headed and ignore it so you can talk **** lol.

And why does it even matter? Despite not being a shooter Bam has been widely known as a top 25 player in this league for years now and his accolades/deep postseason runs back that. You should be looking forward to someone on your favorite team strengthening one of their weaknesses and becoming a better player in time but this weird subsection of fans just loves talking in such extremes and negatives at every corner when it comes to the dude. Literally never happy. The second Bams 3 ball becomes consistent and he has quicker decision making when attacking he will literally have 0 weaknesses in his game.


I think it’s a reasonable position to hold that paying a guy 60 million dollars with the hope that he can suddenly transform his game and develop a shot after having had 8 years to do it, might not be the smartest use of that money, especially when that player can also get you additional assets in return aside from the available cap space his departure can create.


Ok well I gave you multiple guys who took a similar route you just want to ignore it to push an agenda. As for the money see my prior post.
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Post#448 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Jan 25, 2025 3:12 am

Read on Twitter


Read on Twitter


Read on Twitter


Y’all hated this Bam too, I was here, I remember.
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Post#449 » by marson » Sat Jan 25, 2025 3:13 am

Poor Suns, can't get out of Beal's stupid clause :lol:

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Post#450 » by Wiltside » Sat Jan 25, 2025 3:15 am

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Read on Twitter


Read on Twitter


Read on Twitter


Y’all hated this Bam too, I was here, I remember.


None of us hated that Bam. Would love for current Bam to resemble this Bam. Like two totally different players.
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Post#451 » by Wiltside » Sat Jan 25, 2025 3:16 am

marson wrote:Poor Suns, can't get out of Beal's stupid clause :lol:

Read on Twitter


They’ll find a buyer. Butler will be a Sun, it’s just a matter of when.

If what I’m hearing has any merit, not sure how excited many will be about our end return.
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Post#452 » by batterybro42 » Sat Jan 25, 2025 3:17 am

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
batterybro42 wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
They are very clearly working on developing that and I Gave you the numbers yesterday or the day before from similar cases, you just want to be hard headed and ignore it so you can talk **** lol.

And why does it even matter? Despite not being a shooter Bam has been widely known as a top 25 player in this league for years now and his accolades/deep postseason runs back that. You should be looking forward to someone on your favorite team strengthening one of their weaknesses and becoming a better player in time but this weird subsection of fans just loves talking in such extremes and negatives at every corner when it comes to the dude. Literally never happy. The second Bams 3 ball becomes consistent and he has quicker decision making when attacking he will literally have 0 weaknesses in his game.


I think it’s a reasonable position to hold that paying a guy 60 million dollars with the hope that he can suddenly transform his game and develop a shot after having had 8 years to do it, might not be the smartest use of that money, especially when that player can also get you additional assets in return aside from the available cap space his departure can create.


Ok well I gave you multiple guys who took a similar route you just want to ignore it to push an agenda. As for the money see my prior post.


Would you agree that unless his shooting dramatically improves he is not going to be worth what his space would allow us to sign and draft capital moving him would provide?

To me the type of thinking you’re engaging is in my opinion the issue Miami has had here for over a decade. Miami can attract players, it always will. We have the best Coach in the league a place people want to live along with a great reputation as an organization. But we hold on to and overpay our own guys instead of moving them when the time is right. This is going to be another one of these decisions I feel, because Bam developing that shot is not a sure thing and not exactly likely to happen.
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Post#453 » by marson » Sat Jan 25, 2025 3:17 am

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Read on Twitter


Spoiler:
Read on Twitter


Read on Twitter


Y’all hated this Bam too, I was here, I remember.


He gotta go back to those middies man. Was automatic.
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Post#454 » by DayofMourning » Sat Jan 25, 2025 3:23 am

Could Ware become our top point getter?

Herro has to work his ass off to get his.

Ware makes it look easy.
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Post#455 » by Wiltside » Sat Jan 25, 2025 3:25 am

DayofMourning wrote:Could Ware become our top point getter?

Herro has to work his ass off to get his.

Ware makes it look easy.


Curious to see if Kel’el can maintain this production. Has been a hell of a January. He’s so raw still but he really could be anything.

Would happily eat crow on this pick.
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Post#456 » by batterybro42 » Sat Jan 25, 2025 3:27 am

Wiltside wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Read on Twitter


Read on Twitter


Read on Twitter


Y’all hated this Bam too, I was here, I remember.


None of us hated that Bam. Would love for current Bam to resemble this Bam. Like two totally different players.


Agreed

A lot of that has to do with a different shot profile and role

If you’re paying a guy the MAXIMUM amount of money in the NBA in a premiere market like Miami you can afford to get the ideal fit if you have the flexibility and assets to do it.
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Post#457 » by Lennyzinho » Sat Jan 25, 2025 3:31 am

marson wrote:Poor Suns, can't get out of Beal's stupid clause :lol:

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I still think there's some Durant intrigue here...
Is Jimmy x durant that crazy?

Ishbia gains nothing from tanking cuz they have no picks... Jimmy wants out cuz he wants $$$.
Durant wants to win and knows where ever he goes he will get paid.

So if they can't send beal out, what are they gonna win with that roster. Jimmy is their best shot at being competitive. Durant won't want to go to a bad team. And will a team like CLE or OKC break up their roster sending dudes like dort or Garland out for Durant? And maybe MIL makes sense, why would suns want middleton and portis, etc.

Jimmy is legit their best shot of locking up an all star caliber player for 3 more years. And bam ware herro better supporting cast than book Beal nurkic... idk... rambling but part of me feels Riley holding out for this.
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Post#458 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Jan 25, 2025 3:32 am

Wiltside wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Read on Twitter


Read on Twitter


Read on Twitter


Y’all hated this Bam too, I was here, I remember.


None of us hated that Bam. Would love for current Bam to resemble this Bam. Like two totally different players.


I remember, I was arguing with several the night of that Boston game.

I agree 2 major different players, lacking confidence right now and usage
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Post#459 » by DayofMourning » Sat Jan 25, 2025 3:32 am

Wiltside wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:Could Ware become our top point getter?

Herro has to work his ass off to get his.

Ware makes it look easy.


Curious to see if Kel’el can maintain this production. Has been a hell of a January. He’s so raw still but he really could be anything.

Would happily eat crow on this pick.


Its a big ask. It takes a special kind of guy to come in as a rookie, and not only not defer, but put up big points with efficiency.

Some of the moves this kid has. The length.

The other night when he did that Drexler like drive where he just floated and finger rolled the ball in. Had a tear in my eye man.
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Post#460 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Sat Jan 25, 2025 3:36 am

batterybro42 wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
batterybro42 wrote:
I think it’s a reasonable position to hold that paying a guy 60 million dollars with the hope that he can suddenly transform his game and develop a shot after having had 8 years to do it, might not be the smartest use of that money, especially when that player can also get you additional assets in return aside from the available cap space his departure can create.


Ok well I gave you multiple guys who took a similar route you just want to ignore it to push an agenda. As for the money see my prior post.


Would you agree that unless his shooting dramatically improves he is not going to be worth what his space would allow us to sign and draft capital moving him would provide?

To me the type of thinking you’re engaging is in my opinion the issue Miami has had here for over a decade. Miami can attract players, it always will. We have the best Coach in the league a place people want to live along with a great reputation as an organization. But we hold on to and overpay our own guys instead of moving them when the time is right. This is going to be another one of these decisions I feel, because Bam developing that shot is not a sure thing and not exactly likely to happen.


I do not agree as he will still be taking up the same percentage of our cap space when he’s making $50M as he’s making now and I’m confident he will improve there regardless. Context matters.

Every single player that has had any interest in Miami in the last 5-6 years was because of Bam by the way, we just haven’t been able to seal the deal
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