Hassan Whiteside: Road To The Max

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Spo called yesterday's game Hassan's best stat line of the season because he did the little things that we needed to get us the win.

[Hoops23]

lol for saying DeRozan is a trash... lol more to see a trash in an all star game this coming February.

if a top 11 scorer in the league with 44% PPG is trash, then majority of the players in the NBA are trash.

If Whiteside ask for the max at $22m and Riley let him walk because of that, I'm sure there is a big reason and better options for it. Riley will not just let him walk unless Heat is getting a better situation. IMO, KD plus a center like Ezeli is far better than Whiteside. Remember in the past, Miami trades Odom, Grant, Butler who showed a lot promise then plus draft picks for 30 plus yrs old Shaq. Not a surprise if something like that happens again.

look, how many times I will say I love Whiteside and wants him back!! Just want a better team for the Heat next season.. Thats all!! coz the current team is not going to get you by the Cavs.

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Demar DeRozan is awful. He's a midrange chucker whose a worse 3pt shooter than Wade and he has a playoff career FG% of 39%. He not the answer to any of our problems.

It'd be like handing $20mill over to a younger, less talented, dumb version of Wade.

Regardless the Raptors will max him out and they're 5 year max with Bird rights is way higher than anything we could offer for which I am glad.

[Hoops23]

Demar DeRozan is awful. He's a midrange chucker whose a worse 3pt shooter than Wade and he has a playoff career FG% of 39%. He not the answer to any of our problems.

It'd be like handing $20mill over to a younger, less talented, dumb version of Wade.

Regardless the Raptors will max him out and they're 5 year max with Bird rights is way higher than anything we could offer for which I am glad.

lets make this simple, if given a chance of adding DeRozan and say ezeli, Noah or Mozgov, you'll still choose Whiteside and for the max contract? Is Whiteside really worth more than DeRozan and a center Heat can add with their caps space? Until when we'll see the Heat best perimeter player (Wade) doing it/contributing and healthy? So Whiteside is the answer to any of our problems?

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Demar DeRozan is awful. He's a midrange chucker whose a worse 3pt shooter than Wade and he has a playoff career FG% of 39%. He not the answer to any of our problems.

It'd be like handing $20mill over to a younger, less talented, dumb version of Wade.

Regardless the Raptors will max him out and they're 5 year max with Bird rights is way higher than anything we could offer for which I am glad.

lets make this simple, if given a chance of adding DeRozan and say ezeli, Noah or Mozgov, you'll still choose Whiteside and for the max contract? So Whiteside is the answer? Is Whiteside really worth more than DeRozan and a center Heat can add with their caps space? Until when we'll see the Heat best perimeter player (Wade) doing it/contributing and healthy?

Yes I would chose Whiteside over DeRozan, I do not like DeRozan at all. He brings nothing to our team, especially if we're planning on paying Wade to continue to play here.

To make it easier I'll list my free agents in order of preference. (Not counting restricted free agents or Wade)

1. Kevin Durant
2. LeBron James
3. Hassan Whiteside
4. Al Horford
5. Dwight Howard
6. Mike Conley
7. Nicolas Batum
8. Evan Fournier
9. Dirk Nowitzki
10. Tim Duncan
11. DeMar DeRozan
12. Chandler Parsons
13. Ryan Anderson

[goodboy]

Take into account, don't make Wade seem like he's at the end of his days. I'd say he still has a solid 3 years left to be productive IMO. He's always been an high IQ bball player that can translate well in his fatherly days. Adding DeRozan for 2016 or whatever will hinder his AND DD's role on this team greatly. Meaning DD will eat away most of the minutes, he's been playing 35+ mins IIRC

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Take into account, don't make Wade seem like he's end of his days. I'd say he still has a solid 3 years left to be productive IMO. He's always been an high IQ bball player that can translate well in his fatherly days. Adding DeRozan for 2016 or whatever will hinder his AND DD's role on this team greatly.

I don't count Wade as a part of our core, anything he gives us is a bonus. He's a guard and we can't expect him to age like Duncan or Dirk. Those guys are like turtles on the court but they're bigs so they get by.

Wade's 33 turning 34, Kobe was the same age in his last good season where he was averaging 27ppg then he got hurt and he was never the same again.

I don't know how long Wade will be able to play at a high level so we should make the next 2 years count.

We have Dragic and he's versatile enough to play both PG and SG and frankly thats enough guard play. Our strength is our front court and our weakness is our 3pt shooting.

We'll see where our team is headed soon enough though. This time last year we were playing Norris Cole, Danny Granger, and Shawn Williams big minutes, we were old and boring and had no assets.

Since then we've acquired Hassan, Draigc, and Winslow which is a huge step up from the depressing roster that we had last season. Nothing is set in stone yet.

[Hoops23]

Yes I would chose Whiteside over DeRozan, I do not like DeRozan at all. He brings nothing to our team, especially if we're planning on paying Wade to continue to play here.

The question is not Whiteside versus DeRozan but Whiteside versus DeRozan PLUS a center for $10m to $12m.
When you say DeRozan brings nothing at all kills your argument. Ofcourse he'll bring something to this team even in the level Wade brings.

To make it easier I'll list my free agents in order of preference. (Not counting restricted free agents or Wade)

1. Kevin Durant
2. LeBron James
3. Hassan Whiteside
4. Al Horford
5. Dwight Howard
6. Mike Conley
7. Nicolas Batum
8. Evan Fournier
9. Dirk Nowitzki
10. Tim Duncan
11. DeMar DeRozan
12. Chandler Parsons
13. Ryan Anderson

checking on all those players ahead of DeRozan, so you're going to give Conley, Batum, Fournier and even Dirk and Duncan max contract? Tell you what, DeRozan will be in the all-star comes February. Let see Fournier, Conley and Batum if they make it...

I don't count Wade as a part of our core, anything he gives us is a bonus. He's a guard and we can't expect him to age like Duncan or Dirk. Those guys are like turtles on the court but they're bigs so they get by.

If you're right, then Heat needs to think of plugging that spot soon.. In spite of his age and health issues, I still want him back but for not the same amount of money he just sign. Wade still can attract free agent/s. I want him to retire as a Heat.

We have Dragic and he's versatile enough to play both PG and SG and frankly thats enough guard play. Our strength is our front court and our weakness is our 3pt shooting.

I'm not happy the way Dragic play.. He's inconsistent.. His attacking moves is ok but his long range shot is inconsistent.. For the amount of money he's earning, frankly, its not enough or worth his current contributions.

Take into account, don't make Wade seem like he's end of his days. I'd say he still has a solid 3 years left to be productive IMO. He's always been an high IQ bball player that can translate well in his fatherly days. Adding DeRozan for 2016 or whatever will hinder his AND DD's role on this team greatly.

you're out of line again, not saying Wade seems like he's end of his days nor question his bball IQ, we're in a discussion when QUIZ says a dumb version of Wade. I hope your right about Wade able to play 3 more productive years. Am a Wade fan..

[goodboy]

No I didn't mean you mentioned that he's at his end of his days, I was just speaking generally lol.

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No I wouldn't give those guys max contracts. But I'd rather have Batum, Fournier, and Harrison Barnes(though he's restricted) than DeRozan.

High volume 3pt shooting is what we need if we're going after a perimeter player. If we don't get that I'm content with Dragic on the perimeter, he's more than enough guard play.

DeRozan is just redundant, he's not worth losing Whiteside to get him.

Bosh
McBob
DeRozan
Wade
Dragic

Vs

Whiteside
Bosh
Deng
Wade
Dragic

The top team is not better than the bottom team. Hell the spacing would be worse with DeRozen shooting 25% from 3 and 34% from 16-23 feet where the majority of his shots come from.

He wouldn't be taking 18 shots per game here either here. Lower his usage and move him off ball and what does he bring to the table if he's not scoring?


Regardless none of this matters. The Raptors are keeping him. They gave DeMarre Carroll $15mill a year they're going to max DeRozan.

[Hoops23]

No I wouldn't give those guys max contracts. But I'd rather have Batum, Fournier, and Harrison Barnes(though he's restricted) than DeRozan.

High volume 3pt shooting is what we need if we're going after a perimeter player. If we don't get that I'm content with Dragic on the perimeter, he's more than enough guard play.

DeRozan is just redundant, he's not worth losing Whiteside to get him.

How can you get one of those players if Heat gives Whiteside the max??? Thats why I said all along, am alright with Whiteside but not for the max.. Thats why give Whiteside $15m and the remainder to another free agent like Barnes or Batum, then convince Wade for paycut..

Not content to Dragic untill he makes the long range consistently..

Bosh
McBob
DeRozan
Wade
Dragic

Vs.

Whiteside
Bosh
Deng
Wade
Dragic

of course I'll choose the current roster.. But my argument is not that but

Ezeli or Noah or Mozgov (the least of players I think Heat can sign for or part of the remaining $12m)
Bosh
DeRozan
Wade
Dragic

vs.

the present starting line up

The top team is not better than the bottom team. Hell the spacing would be worse with DeRozen shooting 25% from 3 and 34% from 16-23 feet where the majority of his shots come from.

He's averaging 22.7 PPG for some reasons. In spite of his career 27% at 3's, he's still is 44.7% FG and still commands attention and double team, that helps free up other players like wade & Bosh..

He wouldn't be taking 18 shots per game here either here. Lower his usage and move him off ball and what does he bring to the table if he's not scoring?

of course, you bring guys like him to score.. No wonder your sold with Dragic contribution right now... I still want more to Dragic, a consistent long range shot..

Regardless none of this matters. The Raptors are keeping him. They gave DeMarre Carroll $15mill a year they're going to max DeRozan.

true maybe, but we're just in a discussion remember, one reason its called forum.. Thats why I hate immatured poster who lack respect to other posters.. if we all agree to one another, then we will miss some of the fun side.. Most of here are just opinions, suggestions etc...

[IggieCC]

We need to make sure that players such as DeRozen and Ross remain a Raptor by not touching them with a 50-foot pole. Raptor fans are a funny bunch and those players should keep them entertained long time.

I'm kind of confused, but DeRozen just doesn't make sense for this particular Heat team. We have usage problem with Dade/Dragic as is.. we can't throw DeRozen of all players in the mix to somehow improve the situation. He's basically an inefficient (or about the same including the FTs) version of Wade.

DeRozen is no trash, but he would be a horrible fit for this team.

Ezeli would be a great consolation center should we somehow lose Whiteside in FA though.

[RexBoyWonder]

Demar DeRozan is awful. He's a midrange chucker whose a worse 3pt shooter than Wade and he has a playoff career FG% of 39%. He not the answer to any of our problems.

It'd be like handing $20mill over to a younger, less talented, dumb version of Wade.

Regardless the Raptors will max him out and they're 5 year max with Bird rights is way higher than anything we could offer for which I am glad.

lets make this simple, if given a chance of adding DeRozan and say ezeli, Noah or Mozgov, you'll still choose Whiteside and for the max contract? So Whiteside is the answer? Is Whiteside really worth more than DeRozan and a center Heat can add with their caps space? Until when we'll see the Heat best perimeter player (Wade) doing it/contributing and healthy?

Yes I would chose Whiteside over DeRozan, I do not like DeRozan at all. He brings nothing to our team, especially if we're planning on paying Wade to continue to play here.

To make it easier I'll list my free agents in order of preference. (Not counting restricted free agents or Wade)

1. Kevin Durant
2. LeBron James
3. Hassan Whiteside
4. Al Horford
5. Dwight Howard
6. Mike Conley
7. Nicolas Batum
8. Evan Fournier
9. Dirk Nowitzki
10. Tim Duncan
11. DeMar DeRozan
12. Chandler Parsons
13. Ryan Anderson

Assuming we keep Wade and lose Deng :

1. Kevin Durant
2. Hassan Whiteside
3. Al Horford
4. Nicolas Batum
5. Chandler Parsons
6. Ryan Anderson
7. Evan Fournier
8. DeMar DeRozan
9. Mike Conley
10. Dwight Howard (would actually rather not spend the money and just wait a year then giving him max).

Don't want Lebron back after what went down, and Dirk and Timmy aren't going anywhere.

I don't believe in the Durant fantasy, so our best scenario IMO is keeping Wade and Whiteside and adding a younger better shooting wing to replace Deng : Batum/Parsons/Fournier.

[jereseja]

Its pretty simple basketball these days is busness first sport second so Wade will end up career in Miami and right so.
Forget about another SG until Wade is here.(hes much more smart so i hope for no Kobe scenario) Dragic is right person playing with Wade becouse hes been allways teamplayer first and stats second and is easy to be around.Riley was playing on that card so if they dont figure out they will never figure out with alpha PG(Bledsoe,Thomas,CP3,Rondo....)
These group obviously like each other and when they put 100% effort on the court they missing only in 3pt department.
Like i said 2 weeks before Hassan is working with teamates on offence and diffence and u can see results in last few games. Lately hes doing little things much better and hes playing in 4q. They trust whiteside much more lately.
I dont know if its enought time for them to figure things out these year but odds are not bad becouse of personality of players.
If i need to put money who will be here next year:
Wade (3years 48 mil)
Dragic
Whiteside(4years around 80)
Bosh
WInslow
Green(if Dragon stay Gren stay its long story so next time)
TJ
RIley will give these group min 2 years.Everyone else is tradeable for 3D SF or PF.
If u like basketball not stats u must like these group and how they develope from game to game and i dont know why would you screw these with trading for some ego players. These team will lose and win like a team not individuals and who cares for statistics. 1 game will shine 1 another game another but becouse they like each other and chemistry is better every game they will die together in playoffs and i like my odds if they add 3D shoter.If u like stats u like Lebrons and KD teams but if u like basketball game these team is fun to watch(so much good stories inside these team)

[puppa bear]

The question is not Whiteside versus DeRozan but Whiteside versus DeRozan PLUS a center for $10m to $12m.

Shouldn't it be:
Whiteside plus a wing for $10-12m
or
DeRozan plus a centre for $10-12m?

Either way, the quality drops off once you get past that $15-18m price.

[smartcane]

Going after DeRozan makes no sense with Winslow on the team. DeRozan is a good player but he is not going to lead your team to the promise land. I am even starting to question if KD is more Carmelo than Lebron ( hall of fame level scorer but can't really carry a team ). I honestly think the heat is better off building around Whiteside, Dragic and Winslow with Bosh and Wade carrying the team until those three are ready to transition to bigger roles. Keeping Green and deng while adding player like Paul Gasol, Arron Afflalo and Joe Johnson would make us instant title contenders. Those are guys that can be gotten for less but would make our team serious title contenders while also leaving us flexibility for the future. Before everyone says it can happen, just remember Gasol was willing to come her before for less, JJ has already made over 200 mil for his career and Afflalo is a 3-D guy that we can get for 6-8 mil . All three would be susceptible to Pat pit of sacrifice for a Ring. We would let Stats, Stokes and Udrih go.

[Rich2Hassan]

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Spo called yesterday's game Hassan's best stat line of the season because he did the little things that we needed to get us the win.

So they didn't trust Hassan, but they trusted rookie Winslow??? Sounds like BS...,.

[RexBoyWonder]

Justise has high IQ and always defends well no matter the opposition. That's why Spo trust him, it has nothing to do with Hassan.

[Rich2Hassan]

Justise has high IQ and always defends well no matter the opposition. That's why Spo trust him, it has nothing to do with Hassan.

Around the time when Hassan was being benched in the 4th, Winslow's defense had fallen off (He was being blown by plenty of times/games by his opp.), as some on here was saying he hit his "Rookie Wall" and he was turning the ball over like crazy. I watched EVERY game, to see what was really up and this looked like Spo was just doing the usual, playing favorites and being out coached. That's behind now, so let's hope everyone plays well and we win games. January is coming.

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Spoiler:

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Spo called yesterday's game Hassan's best stat line of the season because he did the little things that we needed to get us the win.

So they didn't trust Hassan, but they trusted rookie Winslow??? Sounds like BS...,.

Justise is one of our best perimeter defenders. He's not facing much competition in that regard. Bosh on the other hand is one of the best PnR defenders in the game which is why Hassan wasn't seeing 4th quarter playing time. Spo isn't playing favorites, he's trying to help Hassan and our team and its clearly working. Hassan is a better defender today than he was to start off the season.