Miami Heat Regular Season/Speculation Thread 2021 Part 3

[SoFlaKingReal]

Thank you Iggie

I know some may want to blow this off, but this is actually a huge deal. It is a blow to the Heat franchise, just as Jordan seeking ownership elsewhere from the Bulls was a major blow to their franchise. There is a reason why big names are being recruited as to be part of an ownership team. Because they have powerful influences and they increase the value of the franchise by being face figure. Just the hopes of a fan of seeing Wade around the franchise brings people to the seats. We all seen how much of impact Zo had. By not being able to have him around like Zo, it hurts the market value of the team. As Pat Riley retires soon, that powerful influential image is gonna be a void. Zo has his influence but he is getting old and the younger generation will not have a connection to Zo as my generation did. This is only a tip of the impact. There is a lot more to this.

Now lets look at why Wade made this move. From the outside looking in and something I did have a concern about and is one of the reason why i think Lebron left. The Heat have a powerful management and organization structure in place. They have people who have put in work and waiting in the wings in a line of succession. Wade likely would never have majority ownership of the Heat because the Arison as far of right now has this thing locked. Wade may look at the Jazz as an organization who ownership is shaky and more of a potential for him to take power. But man Utah, that is gonna be a touch challenge even if he got full control. Utah is a different beast and can not be run like the Heat.

You are making way too much out of this. Shaq is a part owner of the Kings....what does it matter?

Shaq being part of the kings does matter. The question being is that smart choice by Shaq. Its not about player personal its about business. These things do matter. Marketing, advertisement, sales. Drake being part of Raptors is a huge impact on advertisement, sales and dollars.

Matters to what? Shaq's pockets? It sure as hell hasnt helped the Kings on the court one bit.

[twix2500]

You are making way too much out of this. Shaq is a part owner of the Kings....what does it matter?

Shaq being part of the kings does matter. The question being is that smart choice by Shaq. Its not about player personal its about business. These things do matter. Marketing, advertisement, sales. Drake being part of Raptors is a huge impact on advertisement, sales and dollars.

Matters to what? Shaq's pockets? It sure as hell hasnt helped the Kings on the court one bit.

It does help the kings. You are thinking about how it builds a title team. I am not talking about player personal. Face figures connected to the team are HUGE impacts. It attracts fans to the organization. Example Zo, he is not making player personal decisions. He works on the business side of the organization, however his presence brought about huge respect and admiration to the franchise. His connection with the community is a HUGE impact to fandom locally. Haslem connection to the community is a huge impact. Zo and Haslam are local icons. Wade is a global icon, his impact would of been 100x bigger than Zo. Globally people see the Heat they see Wade. It could be a difference between getting media attention globally or not. It can have economic impact to the Miami area. These things have impact, rather you understand it or not.

Now you may not care. That does not mean it is not a huge impact.

[Kobewade11]

Its seriously not that big of a deal. Kudos to wade though

[Flash4thewin]

So Micky says they offered Wade ownership and Wade chooses the polygamists.
First, Wade leaves for Chicago.
Second, he leaves Chicago and joins LeBron
Third, he joins another franchise’s ownership group.

Way to spit on the plate that fed you Dwyane. Without the Heat, you wouldn’t have this dream life you have.

Traitor.


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Lol, he should've been GIFTED a stake all the recruitment work he put in for this franchise.

Wade would be nothing without Miami. And people giving him a pass because he elevated the franchise are quick to forget that without Zo and Timmy, this franchise would have been laughing stock like the Pelicans, the Kings or the Hornets. Those guys set the trajectory forward the franchise and Wade flourished because we had a strong brand. Wade made it stronger but he didn’t put Miami on the map. We had been in the map for a while....


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Are you really talking about Zo and Timmy? Heat teams that constantly failed?

Teams that the Knicks didnt just beat but owned?

[RexBoyWonder]

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[RexBoyWonder]

I honestly think Wade made a business decision, nothing more nothing less.

Some of you seem to think he now owns 40% of the Jazz. In reality I'll bet it's more like 5%.

I don't think he'll start recruiting for them now, or even attend their games regularly. Someone asked if he's going to move to Utah. Come on now LOL.

It's a dollar and cents, investment portfolio decision. He got a good deal for his buck, good for him. I don't think it makes a difference in the basketball realm at all.

BTW now that Wade retired, his recruiting power is dramatically diminished anyway. The next wave of stars never played with him, there's no more Butlers out there. Recruiting work will be Bam's/the Org responsibility.

I do hope and Believe We'll find ways to keep the Wade connection with the org alive in some creative ways, I don't think this Utah thing is going to interrupt that.

[Jfh20]

on the subject of the actual status of the team, i really miss rookie Herro. Was fearless, and clutch. What has happened to herro this season? i have no idea. I think ariza did a good job of fillin in fordeparted crowder against minnesota, but we are really missing Herros scoring ability. Its one thing to lose to a good team like the suns, but losing to one of the worst teams in the league really hits home on where we are headed this season. Good chance this team doesnt even make playoffs. Like aldridge reconsiderd signing with miami when he saw our current form, im sure kawi will think twice about coming here seeing this ****. Lastly, dont get me started on spoelstra. Lets just say, im not a fan.

[Hallstar]

on the subject of the actual status of the team, i really miss rookie Herro. Was fearless, and clutch. What has happened to herro this season? i have no idea. I think ariza did a good job of fillin in fordeparted crowder against minnesota, but we are really missing Herros scoring ability. Its one thing to lose to a good team like the suns, but losing to one of the worst teams in the league really hits home on where we are headed this season. Good chance this team doesnt even make playoffs. Like aldridge reconsiderd signing with miami when he saw our current form, im sure kawi will think twice about coming here seeing this ****. Lastly, dont get me started on spoelstra. Lets just say, im not a fan.

Didn't see the last game, but Herro has had the most random usage of a rotation player this season. Dude is pg, back up SG, spot up shooter. Longer arms he would be SF. The last couple games I saw, he will be on the court ignored for stretches at a time, then randomly tossed the ball with 5 secs left in a possession to create a prayer.

[contract]

I honestly think Wade made a business decision, nothing more nothing less.

Some of you seem to think he now owns 40% of the Jazz. In reality I'll bet it's more like 5%.

I don't think he'll start recruiting for them now, or even attend their games regularly. Someone asked if he's going to move to Utah. Come on now LOL.

It's a dollar and cents, investment portfolio decision. He got a good deal for his buck, good for him. I don't think it makes a difference in the basketball realm at all.

I'd be surprised if it was even 5%. That would be a significant portion of his net worth. But yes, it's just business. He may be granted some front office/player evaluation input, which may have made Utah more attractive than just glad handing for the Heat for a living.

BTW now that Wade retired, his recruiting power is dramatically diminished anyway.

Also limiting his recruiting power ... Utah.

He didn't play with the young bucks, but a lot of these guys idolized him growing up, and Wade seems to connect with a lot of people. But Miami is Miami and Utah is Utah.

I do hope and Believe We'll find ways to keep the Wade connection with the org alive in some creative ways, I don't think this Utah thing is going to interrupt that.

I don't see how that's possible. For as long as he's an owner over there, I don't see how he can be any kind of brand ambassador for the Heat. I'm sure he'll show up for the UD and LeBron jersey retirements, but aside from that, his only involvement with the Heat will be a tampering charge that you can almost certainly start the countdown on.

[contract]

Lol, he should've been GIFTED a stake all the recruitment work he put in for this franchise.

Wade would be nothing without Miami. And people giving him a pass because he elevated the franchise are quick to forget that without Zo and Timmy, this franchise would have been laughing stock like the Pelicans, the Kings or the Hornets. Those guys set the trajectory forward the franchise and Wade flourished because we had a strong brand. Wade made it stronger but he didn’t put Miami on the map. We had been in the map for a while....


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Are you really talking about Zo and Timmy? Heat teams that constantly failed?

Teams that the Knicks didnt just beat but owned?

Those Zo/Hardaway teams would piss off fans today, but that was a franchise building team. They moved us from being an expansion franchise to an 2nd tier NBA brand. We got owned, but everyone who was around to see it still talks about those Heat/Knicks matchups. Those teams set a new floor for expectations for this franchise.

[contract]

Shaq being part of the kings does matter. The question being is that smart choice by Shaq. Its not about player personal its about business. These things do matter. Marketing, advertisement, sales. Drake being part of Raptors is a huge impact on advertisement, sales and dollars.

Matters to what? Shaq's pockets? It sure as hell hasnt helped the Kings on the court one bit.

It does help the kings. You are thinking about how it builds a title team. I am not talking about player personal. Face figures connected to the team are HUGE impacts. It attracts fans to the organization. Example Zo, he is not making player personal decisions. He works on the business side of the organization, however his presence brought about huge respect and admiration to the franchise. His connection with the community is a HUGE impact to fandom locally. Haslem connection to the community is a huge impact. Zo and Haslam are local icons. Wade is a global icon, his impact would of been 100x bigger than Zo. Globally people see the Heat they see Wade. It could be a difference between getting media attention globally or not. It can have economic impact to the Miami area. These things have impact, rather you understand it or not.

Now you may not care. That does not mean it is not a huge impact.

Wade and Shaq matter, but there are major limits. You have to have something desirable to sell. For example, both pimped Li-Ning sneakers, and neither was able to make them a thing. At least not in this country. I think the biggest effect of this move is people wondering why it's not with the Heat ... especially after the previous free agency fiasco and return.

[contract]

on the subject of the actual status of the team, i really miss rookie Herro. Was fearless, and clutch. What has happened to herro this season? i have no idea. I think ariza did a good job of fillin in fordeparted crowder against minnesota, but we are really missing Herros scoring ability. Its one thing to lose to a good team like the suns, but losing to one of the worst teams in the league really hits home on where we are headed this season. Good chance this team doesnt even make playoffs. Like aldridge reconsiderd signing with miami when he saw our current form, im sure kawi will think twice about coming here seeing this ****. Lastly, dont get me started on spoelstra. Lets just say, im not a fan.

We have and have had too many guys not playing their best ball and too many guys in and out of the lineup all season long. Herro and Dragic both struggling is a major issue. At least one of those guys needs to get his **** together or we may be a first round exit in the playoffs.

And it's not just them. Leonard got hurt and then got Nazi. Olynyk was underperforming. Iggy is really struggling. Bradley got hurt and wasn't able to help much. Okpala hasn't developed into anything useful. Harkless was a mess. Oladipo struggled and then got hurt. This team is snake bit and probably hung over from last seasons run.

In retrospect we should have focused on the here and now and winning with Jimmy rather than worrying about future cap space. Some of us felt that way anyway, but I don't think there's much doubt about it now.

[Heat3]

Good for Wade. He can play in the front office if he wants and sell for profit in a few years. This is no negative to the Heat. We already have a great front office and frankly, I don’t care one way or another about minority owners.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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I like it. Moe and Duncan are close from the Michigan days. Used to be room mate’s. We need a banger like Moe at 6’11. Not playoff eligible but someone we can lock down for next year.

[twix2500]

Matters to what? Shaq's pockets? It sure as hell hasnt helped the Kings on the court one bit.

It does help the kings. You are thinking about how it builds a title team. I am not talking about player personal. Face figures connected to the team are HUGE impacts. It attracts fans to the organization. Example Zo, he is not making player personal decisions. He works on the business side of the organization, however his presence brought about huge respect and admiration to the franchise. His connection with the community is a HUGE impact to fandom locally. Haslem connection to the community is a huge impact. Zo and Haslam are local icons. Wade is a global icon, his impact would of been 100x bigger than Zo. Globally people see the Heat they see Wade. It could be a difference between getting media attention globally or not. It can have economic impact to the Miami area. These things have impact, rather you understand it or not.

Now you may not care. That does not mean it is not a huge impact.

Wade and Shaq matter, but there are major limits. You have to have something desirable to sell. For example, both pimped Li-Ning sneakers, and neither was able to make them a thing. At least not in this country. I think the biggest effect of this move is people wondering why it's not with the Heat ... especially after the previous free agency fiasco and return.

What do the Knicks sell? They strictly sell the allure, the famous faces who go to the game. No one is going to games to see the players. They built that allure over time. Marketing and being among icons alone can make millions. Look at these MLM companies who business plan is based off crappy products.


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[gom]

Heat must sign Mo Wagner right now.

[DayofMourning]

Heat must sign Mo Wagner right now.

Yep. Then draft his brother.

[gom]

Heat must sign Mo Wagner right now.

Yep. Then draft his brother.

Franz, a 6'9 shooting guard.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Moe Wagner signing would be a real nice under the radar move. Not only as a practice body but someone we can develop on the cheap. I hope he makes it through waivers.

[DayofMourning]

We def need Mo Vag. Get it done.